Kiper Mock 2.0 2/18/16....

[StarBoyz83]

If it went down somewhat like this if I was dallas I'd grab Michael Thomas in the 2nd and not even think about it!!

 

[Dwight]

Agreed
There are also plenty of examples of QBs who were not as highly touted as Luck or Elway coming out of college but had great careers. And who is to say if Luck will win a single SB?

Waiting until the next Luck or Elway comes is just a straw man argument

I have no issue with that point.

However, I prefer Dallas to draft a good QB but not reach for one that's not warranted of the fourth pick.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Paxton Lynch needs to "Wow" at the Combine next week as well as his pro day and individual workouts. His lackluster Bowl performance is lingering and he's become a forgotten man.

Yea, Wentz won his championship game, Goff was putting up crazy video game numbers in his bowl game, and yet Lynch crapped the bed.

Not surprising that he has totally slipped out of the first round already...............he better slay it at the combine.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Just saw that scrub Henne got $4 mill a season from the Jville Kitties to back up Bortles.

He is a career 75.5 passer...................and has thrown more picks than TDs in his career (58 TDs, 63 Ints)

 

[conner01]

That's not my point. Osweiler has been in the league since 2012.

I am talking about anyone thinking that we need Goff or Wentz because they'll step in as rookies and solve our backup QB situation next year.

To me I love Wentz but I also don't think he is ready to win in the nfl
If I draft a QB I still sign a vet backup in case tony goes down

 

[conner01]

I have no issue with that point.

However, I prefer Dallas to draft a good QB but not reach for one that's not warranted of the fourth pick.

The problem is you won't know if one of them is for several years

 

[robjay04]

But they are reaches. And you know it.

The term "reach" should only be used on a team by team basis. A teams draftboard and a draftboard found online through some media source is going to be wildly different. Travis Frederick was a reach for many pundits but he wasn't on the Cowboys board.

If the Cowboys do their grades and decide Paxton Lynch is the 3rd best player in the draft...take him at 4 if he is the BPA. Who cares what any media pundit says? I guarantee you team scouts are not checking out Mel Kiper or Walterfootball to see what they should base their picks off of.

I don't want the Cowboys to "reach" either. I want them to stick to their board.

 

[Risen Star]

They were the worst run team until the last 2-3 years.

No, including these last 3 years. Last year's offseason was an abortion.

 

[Risen Star]

The term "reach" should only be used on a team by team basis. A teams draftboard and a draftboard found online through some media source is going to be wildly different. Travis Frederick was a reach for many pundits but he wasn't on the Cowboys board.

If the Cowboys do their grades and decide Paxton Lynch is the 3rd best player in the draft...take him at 4 if he is the BPA. Who cares what any media pundit says? I guarantee you team scouts are not checking out Mel Kiper or Walterfootball to see what they should base their picks off of.

I don't want the Cowboys to "reach" either. I want them to stick to their board.

Using this theory no team ever really reaches. They all think the player is worth the pick or they wouldn't have drafted him.

It's an opinion. A projection based on that opinion. I have no problem with it whether it's positive or negative.

 

[Floatyworm]

Buckner at 3 pushing Bosa to 6? Kiper's losing it.

You ain't kidding....Less than a year ago...Kiper had Paxton Lynch as a top 10 pick.....Now..he doesn't even have him in the 1st round???

Also notably missing....

Leonard Floyd OLB Georgia
Paxton Lynch QB Memphis
Andrew Billings NT Baylor
Corey Coleman WR Baylor
Su'a Cravens SS USC
Shilique Calhoun DE Michigan St.
Darron Lee LB Ohio St.

I think old Mel rolled out of bed and threw darts @ a board...and ran w/ it. some of these pick make 0% sense

1. Tennessee Titans - Laremy Tunsil T Mississippi
2. Cleveland Browns - Carson Wentz QB North Dakota St.
3. San Diego Chargers - DeForest Buckner DE Oregon
4. Dallas Cowboys - Jared Goff QB California
5. Jacksonville Jaguars - Jalen Ramsey CB Florida St.
6. Baltimore Ravens - Joey Bosa DE Ohio St.
7. San Francisco 49ers - Myles Jack LB UCLA
8. Miami Dolphins - Ronnie Stanley T Notre Dame
9. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Vernon Hargreaves CB Florida
10. New York Giants - Noah Spence DE/OLB Eastern Kentucky
11. Chicago Bears - Jaylon Smith LB Notre Dame
12. New Orleans Saints - Sheldon Rankins DT Louisville
13. Philadelphia Eagles - Jack Conklin T Michigan St.
14. Oakland Raiders - Eli Apple CB Ohio St.
15. St. Louis Rams - Laquon Treadwell WR Mississippi
16. Detroit Lions - Jarran Reed DT Alabama
17. Atlanta Falcons - Shaq Lawson DE Clemson
18. Indianapolis Colts - Ryan Kelly C Alabama
19. Buffalo Bills - Kevin Dodd DE Clemson
20. New York Jets - Reggie Ragland LB Alabama
21. Washington Commanders - A'Shawn Robinson DT Alabama
22. Houston Texans - Ezekiel Elliott RB Ohio St.
23. Minnesota Vikings - Cody Whitehair G Kansas St.
24. Cincinnati Bengals - Josh Doctson WR TCU
25. Pittsburgh Steelers - Kendall Fuller CB Virginia Tech
26. Seattle Seahawks - Robert Nkemdiche DT Mississippi
27. Green Bay Packers - Hunter Henry TE Arkansas
28. Kansas City Chiefs - Jihad Ward DE Illinois
29. Arizona Cardinals - Kamalei Correa OLB Boise St.
30. Carolina Panthers - Mackensie Alexander CB Clemson
31. Denver Broncos - Taylor Decker T Ohio St.

 

[Rockport]

No, including these last 3 years. Last year's offseason was an abortion.

Hardy was. Not sure yet on the rest. Jones shows promise.

 

[robjay04]

Using this theory no team ever really reaches. They all think the player is worth the pick or they wouldn't have drafted him.

It's an opinion. A projection based on that opinion. I have no problem with it whether it's positive or negative.

Well some teams do feel pressure to reach for certain positions. I believe we reached for position when we selected Quincy Carter. I am okay with us taking a QB at 4...I just don't want us to take a QB at 4 just cause he's a QB, I want us to take him because he is the BPA or close to it.

 

[visionary]

I have no issue with that point.

However, I prefer Dallas to draft a good QB but not reach for one that's not warranted of the fourth pick.

I agree with this
This is why i said that if my scouts think he has the traits to develop into s franchise QB you take him

 

[Risen Star]

Hardy was. Not sure yet on the rest. Jones shows promise.

Definitely was. Bad FA, bad draft. The monumental mistake of going into the season with the backups QBs they had alone makes it a terrible offseason.

 

[robjay04]

No, including these last 3 years. Last year's offseason was an abortion.

What exactly was so awful about it? The players we let go are not doing so hot.

We could get Durant and Carter back this offseason if we felt the need to since the teams that signed them feel they were not worth the contract. Henry Melton? I don't know how he's been but he wasn't a huge impact player last season. Demarco Murray? Yeah it stinks we lost him but we made the right decision not matching the Eagles contract especially since we still ran the ball okay while Murray was awful. Anthony Spencer? No. George Selvie? No.

Dwayne Harris? He got a lot of hype this year but he is still not a good receiver. His best season ever was his sophmore year with us. He started games this year but he was outperformed by Cole Beasely overall. He was a good returner for NYG but he wasn't an impact player for us in that regard last season. Lucky Whitehead was better this year as a returner once he got going than Harris was last year.

At the end of the day, Sterling Moore probably had the best season (besides Harris as a returner) than any player we let go. That says a lot. Biggest mistake last offseason was not doing more to replace Weeden but still, I don't know how many options were out there that would've been a significant upgrade and accepted a backup spot.

 

[Risen Star]

Well some teams do feel pressure to reach for certain positions. I believe we reached for position when we selected Quincy Carter. I am okay with us taking a QB at 4...I just don't want us to take a QB at 4 just cause he's a QB, I want us to take him because he is the BPA or close to it.

This literally has to be at least the 100th time I've read the don't take any QB just to take one comment. Why doesn't this work at other positions? Why don't I ever read just don't take a cornerback just to take one? It's like we're trying to come to grips with taking a guy we can't see on the field immediately.

You're at 4. Stack your board. If there's a franchise QB there that's your guy because his potential value trumps all others. To not take him is reaching.

 

[Risen Star]

What exactly was so awful about it? The players we let go are not doing so hot.

We could get Durant and Carter back this offseason if we felt the need to since the teams that signed them feel they were not worth the contract. Henry Melton? I don't know how he's been but he wasn't a huge impact player last season. Demarco Murray? Yeah it stinks we lost him but we made the right decision not matching the Eagles contract especially since we still ran the ball okay while Murray was awful. Anthony Spencer? No. George Selvie? No.

Dwayne Harris? He got a lot of hype this year but he is still not a good receiver. His best season ever was his sophmore year with us. He started games this year but he was outperformed by Cole Beasely overall. He was a good returner for NYG but he wasn't an impact player for us in that regard last season. Lucky Whitehead was better this year as a returner once he got going than Harris was last year.

At the end of the day, Sterling Moore probably had the best season (besides Harris as a returner) than any player we let go. That says a lot. Biggest mistake last offseason was not doing more to replace Weeden but still, I don't know how many options were out there that would've been a significant upgrade and accepted a backup spot.

You're seriously asking me what was so bad about an offseason that led to picking 4th in this draft?

 

[Rockport]

Definitely was. Bad FA, bad draft. The monumental mistake of going into the season with the backups QBs they had alone makes it a terrible offseason.

Jury is still out on the draft. Agree they hosed up the backup QB position. But getting Collins was huge IMO. As I said earlier, Jones looks solid and I think Gregory has potential. So no, the offseason wasn't a disaster.

 

[robjay04]

This literally has to be at least the 100th time I've read the don't take any QB just to take one comment. Why doesn't this work at other positions? Why don't I ever read just don't take a cornerback just to take one? It's like we're trying to come to grips with taking a guy we can't see on the field immediately.

You're at 4. Stack your board. If there's a franchise QB there that's your guy because his potential value trumps all others. To not take him is reaching.

Because there are enough options in free agency and the draft to fill a CB position (or most other positions for that matter) but there are only limited options to fill the QB position so teams will obviously feel more of a need to take a player because they feel the pressure to fill the position.

I agree with your second sentence.

You're seriously asking me what was so bad about an offseason that led to picking 4th in this draft?

Really, besides the QB position which we can both agree on...what would you have done different?

The fact that literally every player we let go besides Harris has a chance to be available again this year should tell you a lot. The team made the right decision not to resign the players they let go. Why are we picking fourth? Because we lost the two best players on our team for essentially the entire season (Dez was never right) that is why. It was not because we botched the offseason.

Even if we brought in another backup QB; take a look at the players that actually hit the open market (not resigned with their own teams) and tell me...which QB would have us better than a top 10 pick right now with no Dez Bryant? Remember to pick a QB that would've accepted being a backup.

http://BAN-INCOMING-IN-3-2-1/freeagents2015QB.php

Any QB in the draft that would've stepped in and brought us to the promised land that you would've chose over a player we landed? If anything, we botched the 2014 offseason in regards to the backup QB because we had limited options last year.

The Panthers would be right here with us if they lost Luke Kuechly and Cam Newton after two weeks.

Tell me what you would've done different in the offseason to put us in a better position than we are right now assuming you lost Tony Romo and Dez Bryant.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

You're seriously asking me what was so bad about an offseason that led to picking 4th in this draft?

Yea,


Everything was done well we just had some bad luck . . . . . .