Landry and Jimmy would have cut TO!!

[sacase]

Jimmy never took in a player in the NFL with TO's reputation. Michael Irvin was a loud mouthed, flambouyant, spotlight crazing star with an ego the size of downtown Manhatten, but he ALWAYS put that behind him on gameday and brought it. He never carried his antics into the locker room or onto the field. He was a TEAM player and NEVER whined about his role.

Yeah, stabbing someone in the neck with Scisors, and multiple arrests, drugs and prostitues is much better than, endzone celebrations.

 

[khiladi]

For some, agreed. But the media didn't tell us Owens' TD display last week was an onistic display of self-congratulations and self-adoration...his ignoring his teammates AFTER his little tableau did that.

I've seen plenty of players 'ignore' their teammates when doing a little celebration... How about Emmit, taking off his helmet, yelling to the stands, and than running after the ref to make sure he gets the ball that he just scored a touchdown with? How about when Chad ran staright out of bounds to a cheerleader and propose to marry her? He didn't wait for his teammates to come congratulate him?

What about TO running straight to Romo and picking him up once he scored that 2 point conversion against the Giants? What about the look of sadness on TO's face concerning his dropped pass, and placing the loss all on himself?

It's true. An Owens self-celebratory orgasm is a fascinating scene. Totally individualistic, a monument in time to self over team. And also, time and again, evidential of his psychosis.

If that is the case, so is every single celebration, including Ernest Givens Electric Shake... I think your rather pushing it with this selfish behavior..

what you perceive as ignoring, in my opinion, is not...

 

[Dat Dude]

Coach Landry would have fired TO today !! Jimmy would not have even let TO
on the team plane.

Your a stooge... Yet Irvin can smoke crack and bang hookers and then be the biggest T.O supporter ever to grace the earth.. Im sure Jimmy didnt care when he was winning at the U , who he got. As long as they had speed who cares if they went to class

Stooge..

 

[Doomsday101]

Can't count the times Owens has said in interviews, "I want to help this team win."

Plus, go read Hollywood's book, "Out of Control", and tell me it was Landry's way or the highway.

I loved Hollywood, but I still don't see how Landry tolerated him as long as he did.

Most coaches do that with guys that help them win.

I never said Landry did not give guys chances but Landry only tolerated so much and would get rid of player regardless of their play. I saw it with my own eyes. I saw him bench Thomas despite Thomas being our best back in favor or Calvin Hill and while Hill was a good back he was not of the same level as Thomas.

 

[StevenOtero]

This thread sucks, if we would've won no one would be saying this crap. It would be like I love T.O, that celebration was genius , etc.

 

[WV Cowboy]

I never said Landry did not give guys chances but Landry only tolerated so much and would get rid of player regardless of their play. I saw it with my own eyes. I saw him bench Thomas despite Thomas being our best back in favor or Calvin Hill and while Hill was a good back he was not of the same level as Thomas.

Sorry, my bad, I thought you posted, "every player understood it was Landry way no ands, if's or but's about it."

 

[Doomsday101]

This thread sucks, if we would've won no one would be saying this crap. It would be like I love T.O, that celebration was genius , etc.

Well if TO holds on to the ball and guys block to make the FG chances are we would not be talking about this but the fact is TO did blow an easy play and Colombo had a brain fart and allowed the man to come in and block the kick. As for Love TO, tolerate is a better word.

 

[Nightstalker]

I agree with Khiladi.

AND
I cannot recall out of the top of my head, but I swear I have seen T.O. congratulate other players on great plays. I have also seen him smile, point , and knod at QB's after a good play that he made after catching the ball.


I hated T.O. Really bad. But thruth is we need the wins. Yes he has dropped passes, but he didnt train most of last season, new offense set up, and a plate on his finger. I hate excuses, but. c'mon. We couldnt win games with only Glenn making great plays. Price didnt get it done.Galloway is long gone. Crayton is not too consistant.

I think Glenn is a great receiver and he is still my favorite player on the team but, I really havent seen a "great" play from him since BledStone!

Should we/he worry?

 

[LaTunaNostra]

LaTunaNostra,

The other day I asked if you were OK because some of your posts had become nasty & mean spirited, so I should have known better than to try to discuss this with you.

Well, frankly I have felt exactly the same about your postings on Owens - every time you drop the 'hater' word (which is daily), the debate goes acrimonious. Imho, your posting to folks who see Owens influence a negative has been mucho nasty - the use of 'hater' has its history here, does it not?

We reap what we sow here, like everywhere.

We will just have to agree to disagree on Owens.

AND Mike Irvin. Gotta give your fair warning tho..I knew the second I typed out the word 'character' that you'd come back with MI. So I was 'ready' for it.

But I do hope it's the final time I have to speak up for MI in that regard.

I'm done.

Clearly.

 

[Doomsday101]

Sorry, my bad, I thought you posted, "every player understood it was Landry way no ands, if's or but's about it."

And it was, not every player got it and they ended up being released or traded out of Dallas. Henderson was here 5 years, Thomas 2. I don't say that just about Landry either HC in those days did not put up with a lot of non-sense but then the general public did not tolerate that much non-sense either and I would go as far as saying many teammate would not put up with a lot of what we see today. No doubt different time, different people and different mindset.

 

[braw]

Well, frankly I have felt exactly the same about your postings on Owens - every time you drop the 'hater' word (which is daily), the debate goes acrimonious. Imho, your posting to folks who see Owens influence a negative has been mucho nasty - the use of 'hater' has its history here, does it not?

We reap what we sow here, like everywhere.


AND Mike Irvin. Gotta give your fair warning tho..I knew the second I typed out the word 'character' that you'd come back with MI. So I was 'ready' for it.

But I do hope it's the final time I have to speak up for MI in that regard.



Clearly.

So you won't answer my question of you having a BA in English, Communications, or Journalism from Boston College. Because your posts writing tells me that.

You work your craft on this message board.

 

[Cowboy Bill Watts]

Coach Landry would have fired TO today !! Jimmy would not have even let TO
on the team plane.

i don't remember either landry, or JJ importing any headcases. they did bend over backwards with a couple of head cases they drafted (hollywood, duane thomas, Irvin, etc), but i don't recall any imports.

i don't think landry or JJ would have ever agreed to signing TO

 

[DipChit]

In some ways I wish we had more TO's on this team.

He doesnt get 15 yard penalties until after he scores a TD.

For many other guys it's their 15 yard penalties that owe to us *not scoring* points... or to 3 or 7 for the other team.

But the dood has to make that catch. Period.

 

[khiladi]

i don't remember either landry, or JJ importing any headcases. they did bend over backwards with a couple of head cases they drafted (hollywood, duane thomas, Irvin, etc), but i don't recall any imports.

i don't think landry or JJ would have ever agreed to signing TO

Jimmy Johnson brought in Charles Haley, who was considered a locker room cancer with the 49ers... he threw things in the locker room...

Why did JJ do it? because we had no pass rush.. and Haley put us over the top.... Do you think the 49ers ever would have traded away Haley if he wasn't a 'cancer'?

 

[HTownCowboysFan]

Coach Landry would have fired TO today !! Jimmy would not have even let TO
on the team plane.

You don't think their were any fools on those team coached by Coach Landry? Come on! You just didn't hear about it.

 

[khiladi]

You know who was a flamboyant jack ***?

Joe Namath...

and his numbers in the Super Bowl were pretty lame... 17 for 28, 206 yards... his defense forced 5 turnovers... he didn't really do ****... the final score was 16-7...

that's 'gargantuan' numbers when your defense forces 5 turnovers...

I wonder why he is 'likeable' and TO is not? hmmmm.....

 

[jem88]

i agree with everything you said about Irvin, except he did take it on the feild.. he celebrated TD's and first downs.. use the ball as prop.. he would have been flagged for half the stuff he did,, it just wasn't a rule back then. Either some of you have short memories or selective memories.

The difference is that Irvin's celebrations were spontaneous and full of the energy of the moment. There was none of the premeditated nature that runs through TO's routines. Owens should have known that the refs were just waiting for the opportunity to flag him. Irvin would never have put his own celebration above the well-being of the team. Irvin had issues off the field, but the team always came first on the field.

 

[BHendri5]

You guys and gals can go on and on about T.O. not being on this team if Jimmy or Landry was the coach, but you forget one thing. Jerry is the owner, T.O. is on this team because the Owner/GM went and signed him, and T.O. so if Landry and JImmy were the coach of this team with this Owner/GM T.O. would still be on the team, so they would either resigned or get fired.

This is what you should be saying, if either of those guys was the coach, T.O. may probably would not be as you guys say he is.

I do not see a anything wrong, with the guy, that is just my opinion, yes he has to catch those passes, other than that he is doing what he is suppose to do, now that Bledsoe has been benched.

 

[trueblue1687]

Jimmy never took in a player in the NFL with TO's reputation. Michael Irvin was a loud mouthed, flambouyant, spotlight crazing star with an ego the size of downtown Manhatten, but he ALWAYS put that behind him on gameday and brought it. He never carried his antics into the locker room or onto the field. He was a TEAM player and NEVER whined about his role.

Are you nuts?! Irvin griped constantly about getting more and more and more balls thrown at him. Even Aikman said last week (when sitting beside Irvin ) that Irvin would tell Aikman to throw into triple coverage. He was a HUGE distraction his last year or two due to cocaine, ******, etc. He was a GREAT player, but he is no different than TO (or at least the TO with the cowboys). Hell, for that matter they are so alike they are close friends.

 

[LaTunaNostra]

So you won't answer my question of you having a BA in English, Communications, or Journalism from Boston College. Because your posts writing tells me that.

You work your craft on this message board.

Geez, mea culpa..I didn't see your post.

Actually, it was a double major in history and poly sci after an early infatuation with comparative religions. My terminal degree - a doctorate - is in history from Georgetown, and I did some ed work at Providence College.
All Catholic schools from K on up.

But you're right on the "English" end - my chief love is literature - a love too strong to have wanted to have to make a living from it. And I now teach chiefly linguistics, a subject often offered via post-secondary English departments.

It just goes to show we all end up goofing off at the Cowboys Zone, which provides us with the blessed opportunity to forsake the important issues of the day to run on about the relative good and evil of Terrell Owens.

America - she's beautiful.