Latest Jaylon Smith tweet

[waldoputty]

Think about going from Hitchens to this.

Poor Jaylon
He is going to have deal with expectations that are through the roof

 

[MagicMan]

No offense to Sean Lee, but can't wait for Jaylon to come in even if its next year and bring leadership, swag and playmaking ability to the defense. The defense sorely needs someone like him to bring some fire and elevate those around him.

 

[T-RO]

No offense to Sean Lee, but can't wait for Jaylon to come in even if its next year and bring leadership, swag and playmaking ability to the defense. The defense sorely needs someone like him to bring some fire and elevate those around him.

I don't know who is the captain of the defense right now...Church? Lee?

Sean might not be quite the same player he was a few years ago but still gets guys lined up and makes adjustments...so smart. Lee still makes a ton of tackles (5th in the league). Maybe in a 3-5 years Jaylon can build up similar knowledge of the game. They will be co-warriors so no need to really make a lot of comparisons.

Lee and Jaylon...brothers in another regard...we can say our prayers for in getting/staying healthy.

Jaylon brings burst and star power. Could one day be the face of the defense. Imagine if we had a big nasty in the middle to go along with those two speed guys.

*Can anyone help me out...I'm trying to remember how many times Lee has been NFC player of the week?

 

[Wood]

If you need to operate in a world where there is one absolute outcome and not multiple probabilities then fine. Please just understand that not all people think like that.

I am not saying that it is certain that he has regained the ability to flex his peroneal. I am saying that it is possible. There is a picture of him with shoes on not wearing the brace. I understand that you have your alternate explanations. Maybe he indeed chills out with it off and his shoes on. The point is there is no more certainty in your interpretation as opposed to any other. Both outcomes are possible.

I have never said anything along lines of absolute outcome rather what I am saying is there has been no significant changes medically or we would have heard about it.

However, what I take issue with is certain "doctors" on this board who attempt to give medical updates when they are zero access to scans, direct patient assessments or progress notes from physical therapy.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I have never said anything along lines of absolute outcome rather what I am saying is there has been no significant changes medically or we would have heard about it.

However, what I take issue with is certain "doctors" on this board who attempt to give medical updates when they are zero access to scans, direct patient assessments or progress notes from physical therapy.

Why would we have heard about it? He says there is progress and when asked for details he demurs, saying to talk to the doctors and trainers.

That is an absolute outcome, btw. That may or may not be the case that they would report progress to us. They could also not say anything, attempt to mislead us, or any other scenario. The only certainty is that they are not required to report anything by any real authority. The NFL certainly doesn't.

And you can take all the issue you want. That has no bearing on whether or not they are correct. No one is denying that we are trying to figure out circumstances given incomplete information. just because we don't have the complete information does not mean that nothing can be determined from what information we have.

Like I said, there is a picture of him with his shoes on not wearing his brace.

 

[waldoputty]

Why would we have heard about it? He says there is progress and when asked for details he demurs, saying to talk to the doctors and trainers.

That is an absolute outcome, btw. That may or may not be the case that they would report progress to us. They could also not say anything, attempt to mislead us, or any other scenario. The only certainty is that they are not required to report anything by any real authority. The NFL certainly doesn't.

And you can take all the issue you want. That has no bearing on whether or not they are correct. No one is denying that we are trying to figure out circumstances given incomplete information. just because we don't have the complete information does not mean that nothing can be determined from what information we have.

Like I said, there is a picture of him with his shoes on not wearing his brace.

Hey fuzzy

One school of thought is that Jerry cannot help himself from announcing progress on Jaylon's condition.

I happen to disagree with that.
Even Jerry may need to hush on this one.

First, Cowboys have plenty of good news to keep fans' interest currently. I think everyone agrees Jaylon is not fully recovered at this time. If it is for PR reasons, they are better off waiting for better new to release later on.
Second, Cowboys' brand has a lot to lose if their early announcement does not pan out. They should wait for more certainty before announcing anything. This is not the same as Red's silly day-to-day injury status.
Third, this is a time for Jaylon to heal and rehab, not to have even more pressure put on him.

If they wait and Jaylon's recovery is really good, it could a major announcement instead of a good progress report. Cowboys look plenty smart right now with the record and the draft. They dont need more good news right now.

 

[Kaiser]

First, Cowboys have plenty of good news to keep fans' interest currently. I think everyone agrees Jaylon is not fully recovered at this time. If it is for PR reasons, they are better off waiting for better new to release later on.

To me there is one huge reason not to talk about it prematurely. If you give opponents a month to plan for his return, Offensive Coordinators will be able to plan for it in advance. If they only know a few days in advance, you have a real advantage. Especially in blitz packages.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Hey fuzzy

One school of thought is that Jerry cannot help himself from announcing progress on Jaylon's condition.

I happen to disagree with that.
Even Jerry may need to hush on this one.

First, Cowboys have plenty of good news to keep fans' interest currently. I think everyone agrees Jaylon is not fully recovered at this time. If it is for PR reasons, they are better off waiting for better new to release later on.
Second, Cowboys' brand has a lot to lose if their early announcement does not pan out. They should wait for more certainty before announcing anything. This is not the same as Red's silly day-to-day injury status.
Third, this is a time for Jaylon to heal and rehab, not to have even more pressure put on him.

If they wait and Jaylon's recovery is really good, it could a major announcement instead of a good progress report. Cowboys look plenty smart right now with the record and the draft. They dont need more good news right now.

Both Joneses have said that they can see him returning this year. People are always trying to trick Jerry into saying things and he sometimes does but he is not the bumbling fool that many make him out to be. I've yet to see anyone ask them about the specifics of his recovery.

 

[big dog cowboy]

There were people on this board who believed that @AdamJT13 was Stephen Jones for a while.

He's not?

 

[waldoputty]

Both Joneses have said that they can see him returning this year. People are always trying to trick Jerry into saying things and he sometimes does but he is not the bumbling fool that many make him out to be. I've yet to see anyone ask them about the specifics of his recovery.

LOL Jerry may not care to know about the specifics except it is making progress.
Jerry is no fool, but I suspect it is taking quite a bit of self-control to not say too much.
One thing that is clear from the doctors is that there is probably good prognosis for this level for injury if rehab is done.
If the nerve is not recovering at all, I suspect some intervention may have been done. Furthermore, Jaylon will not be tweets like a happy boy. Finally, FO will probably stop saying things like they are not ruling out this year - they have enough good news.

 

[Idgit]

I have never said anything along lines of absolute outcome rather what I am saying is there has been no significant changes medically or we would have heard about it.

However, what I take issue with is certain "doctors" on this board who attempt to give medical updates when they are zero access to scans, direct patient assessments or progress notes from physical therapy.

Perhaps "you" should just appreciate their perspective and then go ahead and assign your own likelihoods based on whatever it is you decide what makes the most sense without taking issue with anything at all. Why should a poster being a doctor, or reading up on a reported injury for that matter, give you anything whatsoever to take issue with anyway?

For the record, unless I've missed them, there's been zero offering of medical updates here, only posters talking about likely outcomes based on medical generalities from similar injuries.

Also for the record, your assumption that we'd have heard of specific medical changes is not a good one in my book. Significant medical information about players on NFI or pup lists is missed or not reported or underreported or gotten flat wrong all the time.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Perhaps "you" should just appreciate their perspective and then go ahead and assign your own likelihoods based on whatever it is you decide what makes the most sense without taking issue with anything at all. Why should a poster being a doctor, or reading up on a reported injury for that matter, give you anything whatsoever to take issue with anyway?

For the record, unless I've missed them, there's been zero offering of medical updates here, only posters talking about likely outcomes based on medical generalities from similar injuries.

Also for the record, your assumption that we'd have heard of specific medical changes is not a good one in my book. Significant medical information about players on NFI or pup lists is missed or not reported or underreported or gotten flat wrong all the time.

Yeah, you missed it.

The "doctor" gave the message board prognosis that those concerned about the potential for Smith to suffer "permanent imparment" should stop worrying which is tantamount to saying he knows Smith's on his way to being 100%. Dr. Cooper hasn't even gone that far in saying that.

He then went on to list very specific claims of Smith's current recovery/rehab status that has zero evidence for.

This wasn't simply a case of someone casually projecting medical outcomes based on available information. Rather, it was making very specific claims of intimate knowledge regarding Jaylon Smith's existing condition.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Both Joneses have said that they can see him returning this year. People are always trying to trick Jerry into saying things and he sometimes does but he is not the bumbling fool that many make him out to be. I've yet to see anyone ask them about the specifics of his recovery.

You're right, Jerry has a long history of projecting accurately the medical and rehab status of his players.

 

[Jake]

No offense to Sean Lee, but can't wait for Jaylon to come in even if its next year and bring leadership, swag and playmaking ability to the defense. The defense sorely needs someone like him to bring some fire and elevate those around him.

I doubt the Jaylon Smith we saw in college ever shows up in the NFL.

 

[Common Sense]

I doubt the Jaylon Smith we saw in college ever shows up in the NFL.

What? You don't believe the conspiracy that offensive coordinators are actually shaking in their boots and we're simply hiding the recovery because that somehow gives us a strategic advantage over them?

 

[CowboyStar88]

I doubt the Jaylon Smith we saw in college ever shows up in the NFL.

And why is that? I'm curious how you can to this conclusion?

 

[Idgit]

Yeah, you missed it.

The "doctor" gave the message board prognosis that those concerned about the potential for Smith to suffer "permanent imparment" should stop worrying which is tantamount to saying he knows Smith's on his way to being 100%. Dr. Cooper hasn't even gone that far in saying that.

He then went on to list very specific claims of Smith's current recovery/rehab status that has zero evidence for.

This wasn't simply a case of someone casually projecting medical outcomes based on available information. Rather, it was making very specific claims of intimate knowledge regarding Jaylon Smith's existing condition.

I just saw where he batted "you" around on the medical questions a bit. It was pretty obvious to "me" at least that he was speculating from the outside in based off of what's been reported publicly. Like we all are.

Right or wrong, I like that we've got multiple doctors on the board willing to give us their insights on some of these medical matters. Somehow, most of us never confuse that with first hand information most the time. Not sure why it's any different now except that they happen to disagree with you here.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

I just saw where he batted "you" around on the medical questions a bit. It was pretty obvious to "me" at least that he was speculating from the outside in based off of what's been reported publicly. Like we all are.

Right or wrong, I like that we've got multiple doctors on the board willing to give us their insights on some of these medical matters. Somehow, most of us never confuse that with first hand information most the time. Not sure why it's any different now except that they happen to disagree with you here.

"He's already regained some dorsiflexion strength, no longer has foot drop, and his push-off is almost full."

Those weren't idle thoughts qualified as pure uninformed speculation. That was a clear and unequivocal claim to knowledge of Jaylon's current health status.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

People like CPT are why we cannot have nice things.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

People like CPT are why we cannot have nice things.

People like FL are why fact-checking exists.

BTW, it's cute you keep claiming I'm on ignore.