Laufenberg: Romo not just good, but GREAT quarterback

[TrailBlazer]

Marino, Jergensen, Moon, Kelly - not great. Got it.

I didn't say you have to have a ring. Just some playoff success. A conference championship appearance over the course of a decade maybe. My list of great QB's is probably shorter than most.

 

[tm1119]

You clearly said that Troy got lucky to play on a great team. Don't back track now.

Marino got to the SB
Romo never even made it to a conf CG
Can you name some great QBs that never once even got to the conference CG let alone the SB?
Greatness is defined by what you do when the bright lights are on
Romo has won 2 playoff game in his entire career. That is now greatness?

You're right, that's exactly what I said. It's an independent statement from Troy's abilities as a QB. Any QB would have been lucky to he on those teams in the early 90's.

Say it with me. Team. Game. You act like Romo is 1-10 in the playoffs or something with a horrible stats. He's 2-4 with pretty damn good stats aside from the Minnesota game. His prime years were wasted by front office ineptitude. Don't care who you are, there's no QB that would have won with the teams and coaches Tony had for most of his career. His best shot was '15 and who knows what would have happened if not for a certain call.

And I never said Romo is an all time great either. I'm not putting him up there with the best QB's to ever play in the NFL, I'm putting him up there with the best QB's to ever play for the Cowboys. Which he absolutely belongs. This whole thing got started because someone said Romo doesn't belong in the ROH.

 

[visionary]

How many did Barry Sanders win? Is he an all time great?

Ok, I accept that there are exceptions like Sanders and Marino

 

[visionary]

You're right, that's exactly what I said. It's an independent statement from Troy's abilities as a QB. Any QB would have been lucky to he on those teams in the early 90's.

Say it with me. Team. Game. You act like Romo is 1-10 in the playoffs or something with a horrible stats. He's 2-4 with pretty damn good stats aside from the Minnesota game. His prime years were wasted by front office ineptitude. Don't care who you are, there's no QB that would have won with the teams and coaches Tony had for most of his career. His best shot was '15 and who knows what would have happened if not for a certain call.

And I never said Romo is an all time great either. I'm not putting him up there with the best QB's to ever play in the NFL, I'm putting him up there with the best QB's to ever play for the Cowboys. Which he absolutely belongs. This whole thing got started because someone said Romo doesn't belong in the ROH.

Ok valid points
Room for discussion on both sides

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

He's been about the 8th or 9th best Qb of his era. He's very good but like it or not QB's make their reputation in the post season.

 

[Coy]

So Trent Dilfer > Tony Romo right? Doug Williams > Dan Marino?

It's a team sport. Romo had a better skill set and more talent than Troy did. Not saying Troy wasn't also great in his own right, but he got lucky being on the right team at the right time. Didn't say his career was lucky in terms of his talent.

I loved Troy but for the most part, he did have better Olines, better WR's, better RB's (hall of famers) and better D's (#1 D on his 1st SB) and of course a much better HC in his SB years than Tony ever had. I' argue that only Witten was better at his position than what Troy had with Novacek in his SB years.
So even though Troy won 3 SB he had much better teams than Tony ever did, I don't think anybody could argue that.
Ask yourself this, if you switch Tony and Troy, would the Cowboys have won 3 SB in the 90's with Tony? I'd say there would be a good chance to have at least 2, on the other hand would Troy have won a SB with the Cowboys from 2006 to 2014? I would say no freaking way.
Temas matter, luck matters, Troy had a ton of luck with those teams, Tony on the other hand didn't.

I am not saying Tony > Troy btw, I see both of them as great QB's.

 

[Dre11]

If he were a great QB he doesn't miss the playoffs in 2011-2013. A great QB gets you those 9 wins. That all it took! Aaron Rodgers showed you what a great QB does even with crap around him.

Tony Romo couldn't get us 9 wins in the second weakest division in the sport those three years. Peyton Manning equaled 10 wins a year by himself.

When Dak's done Romo will be viewed in his rightful place... beneath Danny White

When does the rest of the team show up? I don't know any Qb that wins a game by themselves especially in the playoffs. Rodgers? Without a damn near 60 yard fg,a defense that help produce an 18 point head start,a tie with an amazing route and catch. We'd be in the championship game. Just as 2014 without a fumble by the rb,a drop by Dez on a perfectly thrown ball,we'd be in the championship ship.

 

[haleyrules]

He's been about the 8th or 9th best Qb of his era. He's very good but like it or not QB's make their reputation in the post season.

Amen. These are the real facts!!

 

[haleyrules]

He's been about the 8th or 9th best Qb of his era. He's very good but like it or not QB's make their reputation in the post season.

You are being very generous...but not unfair...basically.

 

[Gameover]

When does the rest of the team show up? I don't know any Qb that wins a game by themselves especially in the playoffs. Without a damn near 60 yard fg,a defense that help produce an 18 point head start,a tie with an amazing route and catch. We'd be in the championship game. Just as 2014 without a fumble by the rb,a drop by Dez on a perfectly thrown ball,we'd be in the championship ship.

The team was more than capable of winning 9 games.

They were built to win the SB in 2011, but Romo didnt want to comply. The wasted season. Should've won 11 or 12 that year. I will never get over it.

 

[pansophy]

Romo is a good QB
No player should get in the ROH of the Cowboys without having won a SB
We're not the Eagles or the bengals Etc

So you aren't going to put Witten on that list either? Or Ware? Hard to make a case that the Cowboys ring of honor is more selective than the HOF.

 

[Dre11]

The team was more than capable of winning 9 games.

Capable, but did they? Key word Team.

 

[Gator88]

He's been about the 8th or 9th best Qb of his era. He's very good but like it or not QB's make their reputation in the post season.

And I say he's probably the 5th best QB of his generation. As an example for a QB that was better than Romo, the Saints have degenerated into about the same level of teams Romo had always had to deal with and Brees has what 1 playoff win in around half a decade? Of all those elite QBs Romo has had by far the worst team support thanks to an incompetent front office and head coaches.

 

[Coy]

The team was more than capable of winning 9 games.

They were built to win the SB in 2011, but Romo didnt want to comply. The wasted season. Should've won 11 or 12 that year. I will never get over it.

This is laughable, Romo had 31 TD's, 10 Int's and a 102.5 QB rating, his leading rusher had less than 900 yards.
He played with no pro bowlers on offense and with 2 on Defense (Ware and Ratliff) but hey, like you said, Romo didn't comply although the team was built to win the SB, it was clearly #9's fault.

I'd argue that the 2011 Cowboys win less than 4 games with an average QB, they needed great QB play to get to 8 wins.

 

[cowboyblue22]

the difference between tony and troy and rodger is that they had teams that were built to win a championship and a head coach that was also capable of coaching a team to a championship there is a huge difference between tom landry and jimmy Johnson and garrett and those team were way better than these are now

 

[viman96]

Laufenberg the same guy that publicly called out Romo and turned his back on him. Hard to believe anything he says about Romo.

 

[4lifecowboy]

Tony was so great Jerry was convinced he could surround him with mediocre supporting cast for the majority of his career and he would succeed.

 

[visionary]

So you aren't going to put Witten on that list either? Or Ware? Hard to make a case that the Cowboys ring of honor is more selective than the HOF.

Personally Witten is the only one from the recent bunch I would put in but that is obviously a personal feeling

To me Witten is the glue that had held the Cowboys together not Romo

The QB is able to affect the game so completely that a TE or DE can never hope to do

That is why QBs are judged differently

But these things are obviously JMO

 

[Dre11]

Personally Witten is the only one from the recent bunch I would put in but that is obviously a personal feeling

To me Witten is the glue that had held the Cowboys together not Romo

The QB is able to affect the game so completely that a TE or DE can never hope to do

That is why QBs are judged differently

But these things are obviously JMO

It's also the most dependent position on the field

 

[rambo2]

He certainly is, and I hope he someday at least finds himself in the ring of honor.

He is for sure going in the Ring of Honor. He is already a lock.