McFadden vs Morris

Absolutely. I'm a big McFadden fan. That doesn't change what I'm saying though.

Morris is better, we argued that before. Are you agreeing now?

I dont see why anyone would be a big McFadden fan. The guy has been a bust from where he was drafted. A disappointment. If Zeke performs like him, we will all be crying a river.
 
We took an RB with the 4th overall pick because we're looking to pair a great back with our OL not an average one. We're not looking for average production, we're looking for someone special who can take advantage of playing behind the best OL in the NFL. We're trying to recreate what we had in the 90s by pairing a great back with a great OL.

I just don't believe that it was necessary. DeMarco gained 1800+ yards and McFadden gained over 1000 last season. If we can really take an average back and turn him into a great one behind this line, I don't see the point in not addressing other areas of actual need.

Zeke may very well end up being a pro bowl talent for years, but a stable of Morris, McFadden and Dunbar would have been just fine. Taking a difference maker on defense or trading down to acquire more picks is what would have really been beneficial to this team. Now more than ever considering the suspensions...
 
I just don't believe that it was necessary. DeMarco gained 1800+ yards and McFadden gained over 1000 last season. If we can really take an average back and turn him into a great one behind this line, I don't see the point in not addressing other areas of actual need.

Zeke may very well end up being a pro bowl talent for years, but a stable of Morris, McFadden and Dunbar would have been just fine. Taking a difference maker on defense or trading down to acquire more picks is what would have really been beneficial to this team. Now more than ever considering the suspensions...

We didn't turn McFadden or any of the average backs we had last season into a great one. Are you saying our OL turned McFadden, Randel, CMike or Turbin into great backs? McFadden had a Julius Jones 2006 season except Jones scored one more TD than McFadden and he wasn't playing behind near as good an OL. Those of you who were satisfied with McFadden's production last season must enjoy watching average players and 4-12 seasons. Three of the RBs we used last season are gone and McFadden's roster spot in 2016 isn't 100% secure being out with an injury all summer. We had over 400 fewer rushing yards in 2015 than in 2014 and scored half as many rushing TD's which put all the pressure on our QBs.

Bailey was having to account for a lot of our points. A poll had the Cowboys OL rated as the top run blocking unit in the league and as of Dec of last year the Cowboys were dead last in 3rd and one conversions. Randel had more TD's than McFadden last season in only 76 rushing attempts. He was better than McFadden which is why he was the starter until he got injured and in trouble again. We did what would benefit the team the most and that's taking a game changer at RB to get back to what made us such a good team in 2014 and what helped win the Cowboys 3 championships during the 90s.
 
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We didn't turn McFadden or any of the average backs we had last season into a great one. Are you saying our OL turned McFadden, Randel, CMike or Turbin into great backs? McFadden had a Julius Jones 2006 season except Jones scored one more TD than McFadden and he wasn't playing behind near as good an OL. Those of you who were satisfied with McFadden's production last season must enjoy watching average players and 4-12 seasons. Three of the RBs we used last season are gone and McFadden's roster spot in 2016 isn't 100% secure being out with an injury all summer. We had over 400 fewer rushing yards in 2015 than in 2014 and scored half as many rushing TD's which put all the pressure on our QBs.

Bailey was having to account for a lot of our points. A poll had the Cowboys OL rated as the top run blocking unit in the league and as of Dec of last year the Cowboys were dead last in 3rd and one conversions. Randel had more TD's than McFadden last season in only 76 rushing attempts. He was better than McFadden which is why he was the starter until he got injured and in trouble again. We did what would benefit the team the most and that's taking a game changer at RB to get back to what made us such a good team in 2014 and what helped win the Cowboys 3 championships during the 90s.

It is amazing how many fans want to settle for mediocrity at RB......McFadden was irrelevant the moment we drafted EE....the idea of a great RB behind this great OL is awesome and pay huge dividends
 
It is amazing how many fans want to settle for mediocrity at RB......McFadden was irrelevant the moment we drafted EE....the idea of a great RB behind this great OL is awesome and pay huge dividends

Yep. I wanted defense too but EE obviously was the biggest impact player when we drafted. We were a Super Bowl contender two years ago because of our running game. It covered for the defense and allowed Romo to have the best year of his career. And if Murray wasn't such a fumbler, we probably would've won the Super Bowl. McFadden's success last year despite not being a zone scheme RB and not having a competent QB shows just how lethal this O-line is. Now, we have Romo and Dez back, the O-line has another year of experience, we brought in a proven stud in the zone blocking scheme, and we drafted the best all-around RB who also happens to excel in zone. Watch out NFL.
 
We didn't turn McFadden or any of the average backs we had last season into a great one. Are you saying our OL turned McFadden, Randel, CMike or Turbin into great backs? McFadden had a Julius Jones 2006 season except Jones scored one more TD than McFadden and he wasn't playing behind near as good an OL.

And like a mindless parrot you mindlessly keep spouting out "facts" without any added context.

Sure 1,090 yards doesn't look that impressive in a vacuum. But when you add the actual context of him playing without Romo, without Dez, starting only 11 games against defenses that were geared to stop the run and dare Weeden and Cassel to pass the ball, it changes the narrative.

But I get it. You like shiny new toys. You got an agenda and bygolly, you're gonna push it.
 
It is amazing how many fans want to settle for mediocrity at RB.....

It's even more amazing how many fans want to settle for outright suckage on defense just so they can watch "L'il Emitt 2.0."
 
It's even more amazing how many fans want to settle for outright suckage on defense just so they can watch "L'il Emitt 2.0."
Yeah Jalen Ramsey would have solved everything......I guess the the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 6th and 6th round picks spent on D were irrelevant.....plus Thornton, Mayowa, Crawford, Wilber, Durant, Claiborne and Heath

And I do remember Emmitt winning 3 Super Bowls and going to the HoF......who would want that again....nice strong take though
 
Yeah Jalen Ramsey would have solved everything......I guess the the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 6th and 6th round picks spent on D were irrelevant.....

And we have RBs. And we could have used any of those picks on a RB that is better. Derrick Henry BTW has looked pretty darn good so far in preseason and didn't have to be taken with the #4 pick.
plus Thornton, Mayowa, Crawford, Wilber, Durant, Claiborne and Heath
Dude, 4 of those guys you just listed are in fact 'mediocre' just like you accused other people of "settling" for. A 5th, Mayowa, is a complete unknown. Thornton is not known for his pass rushing and Crawford has trouble staying on the field. You are presenting this list like it is some group of all-pros.

And I do remember Emmitt winning 3 Super Bowls and going to the HoF......who would want that again....nice strong take though
Yeah because those dynasty defenses were just terrible and completely void of talent. Thank goodness we had Emmitt or we wouldn't have won anything! /s
 
And we have RBs. And we could have used any of those picks on a RB that is better. Derrick Henry BTW has looked pretty darn good so far in preseason and didn't have to be taken with the #4 pick.

Dude, 4 of those guys you just listed are in fact 'mediocre' just like you accused other people of "settling" for. A 5th, Mayowa, is a complete unknown. Thornton is not known for his pass rushing and Crawford has trouble staying on the field. You are presenting this list like it is some group of all-pros.


Yeah because those dynasty defenses were just terrible and completely void of talent. Thank goodness we had Emmitt or we wouldn't have won anything! /s
you act like they ignored the Defense.....I showed that they didn't....some of those guys are mediocre but the guys they are replacing were bad and most are depth....before the draft we didn't have any major holes on defense and were free to draft BPA for a change....EE was BPA

........................DLaw........TCrawford........Thornton.........RGregory.....................
................Hitchens...........................McClain...................................Lee..............
..........Carr.................Church............................BJones................Claiborne.......
................................................Scandrick
 
I love how people are crying over Zeke not getting a handful of snaps in a preseason game...
 
you act like they ignored the Defense.....I showed that they didn't....some of those guys are mediocre but the guys they are replacing were bad and most are depth....before the draft we didn't have any major holes on defense and were free to draft BPA for a change....EE was BPA

........................DLaw........TCrawford........Thornton.........RGregory.....................
................Hitchens...........................McClain...................................Lee..............
..........Carr.................Church............................BJones................Claiborne.......
................................................Scandrick

And what were all of the "major" holes on offense? Certainly not RB, McFadden only started 10 games and was 4th in rushing in the league. Morris is going to be great in this system and has been a top back before.

McFadden or Morris are at least as good at their jobs if not better than Hitchens, Carr, Church, Jones (to this point), Claiborne or Thornton. And certainly more reliable than Gregory or McClain.

If you want to make the point that people are "settling for mediocrity" at RB, you have to acknowledge that the people on that list are at best that, if not worse.

And to your earlier point that Jalen Ramsey doesn't "solve everything," at least he solves something. Our run game was not a problem last year, we were top 5 by YPC with that "mediocre" RB. We got better at something we were already good at at the expense of a secondary that is not very good. That might be fun to watch but it's not the right way to build a football team.
 
And what were all of the "major" holes on offense? Certainly not RB, McFadden only started 10 games and was 4th in rushing in the league. Morris is going to be great in this system and has been a top back before.

McFadden or Morris are at least as good at their jobs if not better than Hitchens, Carr, Church, Jones (to this point), Claiborne or Thornton. And certainly more reliable than Gregory or McClain.

If you want to make the point that people are "settling for mediocrity" at RB, you have to acknowledge that the people on that list are at best that, if not worse.

And to your earlier point that Jalen Ramsey doesn't "solve everything," at least he solves something. Our run game was not a problem last year, we were top 5 by YPC with that "mediocre" RB. We got better at something we were already good at at the expense of a secondary that is not very good. That might be fun to watch but it's not the right way to build a football team.

Our poor offensive production was certainly a problem one not simply resolved with the return of Romo and Bryant. Even in the first two games they struggled to put together quality offense.

There comes a time and perhaps you will learn this one day, that sometimes it is much easier to emphasize a strength than to shore up weaknesses. Player for player, there was no one in the draft that made a larger impact on the Dallas Cowboys than Ezekiel Elliott. Not even close.
 
Our poor offensive production was certainly a problem one not simply resolved with the return of Romo and Bryant. Even in the first two games they struggled to put together quality offense.
They didn't put up much quality defense either. Remember the Giants waltzing down the field to end the game week 1, only to brain fart themselves into a loss? They were just trying to kill the clock and still mounted an 80 yard drive. How long are we going to ignore this defense's knack for complete 4th quarter meltdowns?

There comes a time and perhaps you will learn this one day, that sometimes it is much easier to emphasize a strength than to shore up weaknesses. Player for player, there was no one in the draft that made a larger impact on the Dallas Cowboys than Ezekiel Elliott. Not even close.
This is complete and total rationalization.

Fact of the matter is we have playmakers all over the offensive side of the ball. We don't on defense. We have 1, and he gets hurt a lot.

You only get a top 5 pick every so often unless you are in Cleveland, so you don't blow it to "emphasize a strength." That's what you do when your team is already pretty good and you are picking in the 20's. Maybe someday you will learn that.
 
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Our poor offensive production was certainly a problem one not simply resolved with the return of Romo and Bryant. Even in the first two games they struggled to put together quality offense.

There comes a time and perhaps you will learn this one day, that sometimes it is much easier to emphasize a strength than to shore up weaknesses. Player for player, there was no one in the draft that made a larger impact on the Dallas Cowboys than Ezekiel Elliott. Not even close.

What complete nonsense.

Romo played in just two complete games and one of those was coming back off of injury. It really only can be described as sheer lunacy that people look at last year and act like Romo not being on the field wasn't the primary reason for the downfall of the team.

Romo not playing impacted everything, from offensive efficiency, converting 3rd downs, scoring opportunities, the effectiveness of the run game, putting pressure on the defense in terms of not putting up points and being on the field longer, et cetera.
 
They didn't put up much quality defense either. Remember the Giants waltzing down the field to end the game week 1, only to brain fart themselves into a loss? They were just trying to kill the clock and still mounted an 80 yard drive. How long are we going to ignore this defense's knack for complete 4th quarter meltdowns?


This is complete and total rationalization.

Fact of the matter is we have playmakers all over the offensive side of the ball. We don't on defense. We have 1, and he gets hurt a lot.

You only get a top 5 pick every so often unless you are in Cleveland, so you don't blow it to "emphasize a strength." That's what you do when your team is already pretty good and you are picking in the 20's. Maybe someday you will learn that.
While I Agree defense needs to be better especially in the 4th quarter Romo had multiple interceptions and that doesn't help the defense.

Offense is pretty settled but defense needs work
 
you guys just have a gigantic blind spot

No, we don't.

I would rather have seen a major upgrade to Church, Carr or Mo, who are all at this point mediocre or worse at their position, than replacing a guy who ran for 4.6 YPC last year (despite having no QB worth a darn) and was the 4th best rusher in the league despite only starting 10 games. Or than Morris who has been a premier rusher in this league without the benefit of this OL and will no doubt thrive in this system. For the life of me I don't get why this is so hard to understand.

BPA is all well and good, but if the the best player available next draft is a C or LT, will you be just as enthusiastic that we should draft them considering what we already have? What if Fournette falls to us next year and is BPA? Should we draft him too?
 
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No, we don't.

I would rather have seen a major upgrade to Church, Carr or Mo, who are all at this point mediocre or worse at their position, than replacing a guy who ran for 4.6 YPC last year (despite having no QB worth a darn) and was the 4th best rusher in the league despite only starting 10 games. Or than Morris who has been a premier rusher in this league without the benefit of this OL and will no doubt thrive in this system. For the life of me I don't get why this is so hard to understand.

BPA is all well and good, but if the the best player available next draft is a C or LT, will you be just as enthusiastic that we should draft them considering what we already have? What if Fournette fell to us next year? Should we draft him too?
nice strawman........RB was a need......EE was BPA......easy pick.....go to sleep and stop crying about our good fortune
 

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