***Mega Merriman/Ware thread***

[Chuck 54]

My question is, if Parcells saw that Merriman was the perfect stand up 3-4 guy and Ware wasn't, why didn't he just do the right thing and get Merriman?

I have no real answer, but it does seem to me that Parcells, like Jerry Jones, only wants certain types of guys on the team...he'll only coach certain types...the others have to go.

 

[Clove]

I have no real answer, but it does seem to me that Parcells, like Jerry Jones, only wants certain types of guys on the team...he'll only coach certain types...the others have to go.

That's just plain rediculous. Like taking Ellis (good DE) vs Moss (super star WR), it makes no sense.

You pick the best talent, if it doesn't work out, then move on.

 

[vicjagger]

Haven't you heard? BP wanted Merriman all along, thus the infamous "promise".

Jerry was fascinated with Ware....

 

[kingwhicker]

Haven't you heard? BP wanted Merriman all along, thus the infamous "promise".

Jerry was fascinated with Ware....

Could be, but I doubt it.

 

[wileedog]

My question is, if Parcells saw that Merriman was the perfect stand up 3-4 guy and Ware wasn't, why didn't he just do the right thing and get Merriman?

Its an interesting question, because historically Parcells also vastly prefers guys from big time programs over small school risks.

And while character undoubtedly played a part, Parcells is certainly not someone who won't deal with 'bad boys' if he feels he can get production out of them. "I can deal with the squeeky wheels" he said the other day.

When asked about Ware vs. Merriman Parcells alluded to Ireland. Perhaps the scouting staff really did have Ware rated higher than Merriman based on future potential?

We may not know for another year or two.

 

[superpunk]

I didn't read the whole thread, so pardon me if I'm restating something. But, the Chargers first year of the 3-4 last year wasn't that great in alot of respects. They played a similar, vanilla style defense, and got VERY little pass rush from their defense. I've read articles stating how this year, with the team being more familiar with the system, and having better pieces in the 3-4, they've been able to mix things up alot more.

We've got alot of new starters, and rookies contributing on defense. This is the very 1st year of the 3-4, and we've had significant injuries to our LBs, which is the most critical position in the 3-4. Combine the vanilla scheme, with the injuries to LBs, forcing Ware into more "non-pass-rushing" responsibilities, and it's no wonder Merriman is having a better year than Ware. No need to get off the Ware bandwagon 14 games into his career.

 

[wileedog]

I have no real answer, but it does seem to me that Parcells, like Jerry Jones, only wants certain types of guys on the team...he'll only coach certain types...the others have to go.

He's also been successful with guys like LT, Keyshawn and Brian Cox. You obviously don't have to be a choir boy to play for him.

 

[leotisbrown]

I all see that Merrimans much better than Ware ever goings to be with big sack. Much sick it make me to pass over next great linemans of defense.

Now find out that Parcells wanted Merrimans even more than Ware and JJ make him to take him as pick in draft. Much disgust at JJ and spit at him too!!!

See here to read...

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/sportsline/main9104505.shtml

5. Cincinnati's Odell Thurman probably wins the league's defensive rookie of the year award. But I just changed my vote to San Diego's Shawne Merriman. He creates havoc when he rushes the passer, as Manning discovered Sunday. It was Merriman who sacked Manning twice and tackled the star quarterback for a loss on a fourth-and-goal at the San Diego 1. Merriman's two sacks put him at nine for the season, and don't mention it to Cowboys coach Bill Parcells. He wanted to draft Merriman this year, but owner Jerry Jones tilted toward DeMarcus Ware. There was a furious debate the morning of the draft, and guess who won? Yep, San Diego.

 

[superpunk]

Pray tell, how did the mighty CLARK JUDGE come across that little tidbit? It's the rumor of the hour. He's just throwin feces against the wall and hoping they stick.

 

[kingwhicker]

If true, Parcells should shoot Jones- not sure I believe it- I think BP would've quit.

 

[JPM]

What ?!?

 

[ZenItRam]

pardon me, but isn't this old news?

 

[ctalker]

Don't buy it, Parcells has clearly been calling ths shots since he has been here.

 

[Clove]

Yeah we've discussed this. And like I said before, if JJones is still getting his way on personell, BP will leave after this season is done.

 

[RCowboyFan]

Pray tell, how did the mighty CLARK JUDGE come across that little tidbit? It's the rumor of the hour. He's just throwin feces against the wall and hoping they stick.

Yeah, seems like if there is any failed pick, then that Jerry Jones pick and not Parcells. And Ware is not even failed pick by any means. People are just going nuts over Merriman Sack total, but fail to mention Ware has more tackles and I think might even have more Tackles for loss, all while learning a new position.

I get sick of this Merriman comparison, like Ware has the same talent around him like Merriman has. He has Jamal Williams, while Ware has Ferguson, who is good but not Jamal Williams caliber.

Merriman has Steve Foley, who is damn good pass rusher by his own, which makes it tougher for teams to concentrate on Merriman. Then not to mention other two LBs are no chop livers themselves.

Can we all wait couple of years before Ware is deemed far inferior pick to Merriman?

 

[Ashwynn]

Dont sell Ware short. Merriman may have gotten out of the gate faster, but its a marathon here folks, we are talking 10-12-15 years to go. Lets see where they end up and whos better then. I like my Ware if for no other reason he does not conatate negitive thoughts. When I think of Merriman, I think baby, brat, whiney. When I think of Ware I think stud, Monster, Demolisher.

We could have done worse, and who knows, maybe Merriman was really hurt and wanted to be a cowboy and thats why he reacted the way he did. Maybe he woulda come in here like Michael Irvin and said "Hell yeah, lets go eat some Quarterbacks boys." But thats not what happened. Ware is classy and good. Merriman is good.

 

[xpistofer]

remember purcells comparison of ware to LT on draft day? so you are telling me purcells would have passed on the 2nd coming of LT (his own words) to draft merriman?

if so, I wonder who he would have compared merriman to....

i don't believe the rumor.

 

[superpunk]

Yeah, seems like if there is any failed pick, then that Jerry Jones pick and not Parcells. And Ware is not even failed pick by any means. People are just going nuts over Merriman Sack total, but fail to mention Ware has more tackles and I think might even have more Tackles for loss, all while learning a new position.

I get sick of this Merriman comparison, like Ware has the same talent around him like Merriman has. He has Jamal Williams, while Ware has Ferguson, who is good but not Jamal Williams caliber.

Merriman has Steve Foley, who is damn good pass rusher by his own, which makes it tougher for teams to concentrate on Merriman. Then not to mention other two LBs are no chop livers themselves.

Can we all wait couple of years before Ware is deemed far inferior pick to Merriman?

BRAVO! We both get it. Merriman is in a system that has been established for a year now, and returned all of it's starters. He has 1 job, and one job only - to get in the backfield.

This is the important point - I believe, if they switched places, the results would be no different. It's about the team, at this point, not the player. If Ware is on San Diego's squad, HE has 9 sacks. Merriman might do a touch better here, since he played 3-4 LB/DE in college, but I have a feeling he'd be struggling like Ware in this vanilla system, with two injured starting LBs.

 

[leotisbrown]

Yeah, seems like if there is any failed pick, then that Jerry Jones pick and not Parcells. And Ware is not even failed pick by any means. People are just going nuts over Merriman Sack total, but fail to mention Ware has more tackles and I think might even have more Tackles for loss, all while learning a new position.

I get sick of this Merriman comparison, like Ware has the same talent around him like Merriman has. He has Jamal Williams, while Ware has Ferguson, who is good but not Jamal Williams caliber.

Merriman has Steve Foley, who is damn good pass rusher by his own, which makes it tougher for teams to concentrate on Merriman. Then not to mention other two LBs are no chop livers themselves.

Can we all wait couple of years before Ware is deemed far inferior pick to Merriman?

Merrimans is next great line player of defense- I heard so on tv!!! That not a question for such like you!!

Ware is busted up player with small sacks. Dime dozen type with much bonus money and millions lost from cap.

I say wew better off with Merrimans for sure!!

No brainer to me.

 

[Clove]

I'll say it again. I've heard about JJ wanting the A-Train, wanting Paul Pierce, wanting Ware -

If this is true and he got his way, there will be serious problems in the Front Office IMO.