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Mike McCarthy's Analytics Fraud

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by Toruk_Makto, Jan 11, 2020.

  1. rxdoc

    rxdoc Well-Known Member

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    ^^^ this 1000x

    thank you... was going to post something similar but you said it so much better that I could.

    simply put analytics is a tool to aid in decision making. You can’t go to either extreme when using them. It’s refreshing to know that MM understands there is a place for them and is willing to use them as necessary compared to JG who wanted absolutely nothing to do with them.

    I seriously cannot believe we are arguing over this before MM has even coached his first game for the Cowboys...

    I suggest tabling this topic and revisit this discussion at the end of next season when we have actual game data to discuss. Anything at this point is pure speculation.....
     
  2. RoboQB

    RoboQB Well-Known Member

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    Can we at least watch him run a practice before calling him a fraud?

    By the way, thanks for the cheerleaders.
     
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  3. aria

    aria Well-Known Member

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    As a reminder there were several people who scoffed at his name and said “no thanks” while still on the Lincoln Riley and Urban Meyer hype train. Just like certain players from other teams that a lot of fans used to bash, as soon as they become a Cowboy they are “awesome” or start getting tons of praise heaped upon them. Some of us don’t change our thoughts on a coach or player just because they become a Cowboy whereas many do.

    Personally, I was never over impressed with McCarthy and think most of his success was due to BF and AR. I’m curious to see how much he has actually changed over the past year, and while I hope I’m wrong, I will remain skeptical until proven otherwise.
     
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  4. PhillyCowboysFan

    PhillyCowboysFan Well-Known Member

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    Yes that whole going off on a tangent from a snippet is just asinine.
     
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  5. RoboQB

    RoboQB Well-Known Member

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    Outstanding!

    That deserves a scotchy, scotch, scotch... lol
     
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  6. Seven

    Seven Messenger to the football Gods

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    Prove that.

    Seriously.......that's a bold prediction.
     
  7. PhillyCowboysFan

    PhillyCowboysFan Well-Known Member

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    No it doesn’t because it’s impossible to do! Along with team quality and play execution. Analytics is a freaking tool to use along with a heck of a lot of other factors as in game momentum, quality of the players your going against, a lessor positional player in the game, weather and so on and so on.
     
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  8. garyo1954

    garyo1954 Well-Known Member

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    Peter King documented how McCarthy would spend his days studying all things football in a renovated barn......

    According to King, McCarthy would often work with three other coaches, including former New Orleans Saints head coach Jim Haslett.

    McCarthy and his staff would study everything, from reviewing "every offensive snap of the top 10 offenses last year," to dissecting formations and play calls, to reviewing quarterback footage.

    McCarthy also designed what his football operations staff would look like, with a "14-person Football Technology Department, including a six-person video unit and an eight-person analytics team."

    https://clutchpoints.com/cowboys-ne...zimmer-not-interested-in-pursuing-dallas-job/

    If its a fraud, its the biggest hoax since.....since.....since charging your iPod with an onion hit the internet! More expensive too!
     
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  9. bb721

    bb721 Well-Known Member

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    Hey guys, he makes sure to point out that he’s an engineer and now works for a big bank. Let’s make sure that we all bow down to his supreme wisdom. After all, it’s almost impossible to be a good football coach with those two qualifications.
     
  10. Toruk_Makto

    Toruk_Makto Well-Known Member

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    I get that you want to cling to conventional wisdom. It's comfortable.
     
  11. RoboQB

    RoboQB Well-Known Member

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    When you start a thread and it gets to 10 pages, yet nobody likes you.

    Analyze that.

    As mentioned by @DOUBLE WING, you took a snippet and went off the rails with it.
    Others pointed out articles stating he would have a 14-man team for analytics.

    Since you've responded to me, I'm curious. What is your engineering background?
    Structural?
     
  12. 88sAndHeartbreak

    88sAndHeartbreak Well-Known Member

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    This thread makes my head hurt... claiming dude is fraud just off one quote. At least wait until mid-season like most Cowboy "fans"
     
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  13. CowboyStar88

    CowboyStar88 Well-Known Member

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    I think @Rayman70 was just being overly dramatic towards the peeps that are never happy. I agree with him though some of these peeps man... o_O
     
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  14. Runwildboys

    Runwildboys Well-Known Member

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    Let's not generalize with the "nobody likes you" stuff. I don't even know the guy. If there's one way to make sure someone is defensive, it's saying something like that.
     
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  15. garyo1954

    garyo1954 Well-Known Member

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    This thread makes my head hurt too. I keep reading the first post expecting to see something I missed, but there is nothing there.

    It appears to me the OP has Big Mc's terminology of action pass confused with play action pass. The two are not the same in this system.


     
  16. Runwildboys

    Runwildboys Well-Known Member

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    Okay, I have to say, I've never heard the term "action pass". What exactly is that?
     
  17. garyo1954

    garyo1954 Well-Known Member

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    Here's how Bill Walsh defined it. (It's a rollout, sprint-out or "waggle.")

    Action Pass

    The third category of pass that most people use is what we call the action pass, where your quarterback moves outside. There are a couple of reasons for moving outside. One certainly is to avoid the inside pass rush. For a dropback passing team we'll sprint-out "waggle" as we call it-outside to avoid blitzers who approach straight up the field on us. The other advantage is to bring yourself closer to the potential receiver.

    We'll get outside to throw the ball and get ourselves closer to the man we want to throw to. When you can get outside, the trajectory of the ball can be flatter because normally there isn't a man between you and the receiver.

    The versatility also includes changing your formations. We continuously change receiver width and spacing. We seldom will line up our receiver with the same spacing on two or three plays in a row. If we want to throw the ball to the outside, we will reduce the split of the receiver. We need running room to the outside. We don't want the ball in the air very long. If we want to throw inside, we will extend the split of our receivers, so that there is more maneuvering room to the inside, and spread the defense. Our backs, as many teams know will cheat to get where they have to be. We know that if we throw to backs, the first thing on their mind is how to release out of the backfield. We are quite willing to move the man to get the release and sometimes telegraph what we are doing. We are quite willing to do that with the idea that when we want to break a given tendency, we simply line them up there and run something else."
     
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  18. basilhayden

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    You can't legitimately assess that when Jerry Jones is in charge.
    You just can't ...
     
  19. garyo1954

    garyo1954 Well-Known Member

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    Here's his description/definition of play action......in short, it will be a play fake to the back, or some type misdirection to freeze the defense.


    Play-Action Passes

    You can't just dropback pass. You have to be able to keep the defense from zeroing in on your approach. That's why the play pass is vital. By and large, the play-action pass will score the touchdown. The dropback pass will control the ball.

    For play-action passing, we have certain blocking fundamentals that we use. We will show different backfield actions with basically the same offensive line blocking. We will go to the play pass as often as we can, especially as we get to the opponent's 25-yard line.
     
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  20. CowboyStar88

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    :muttley: The irony lol
     

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