NFL team to ban standing... tattle by text messaging

[jobberone]

Having become disabled after many, many years of great health and activity, I have a new view on lots of things. All I can say is enjoy the ability to stand for long periods (more than a couple of minutes if you can stand at all) and try to be courteous for those who can't stand that long. It's not too much to ask. Not everyone can get access to handicapped areas of unobstructed view and many don't want to stand out like that. And most people who can walk some don't want to drag a wheelchair around everywhere they go esp to a place like that. It's a major pain in the butt to you, your partner and everyone who is around you.

 

[mrecktid]

Exactly! If you can't be civil for three hours and be supportive of other peoples views, then sit your old *** home, strap on your wife beater, grab your 7th beer and yell all you like at your giant size entertainment peice that is just you trying to hold desperatly onto you younger dayz.

Wait... Seeing in type like that, I think we are actually on different sides of this discussion. My bad..

Hehehe I'm glad we can see both extremes of football fans :laugh1:

But in all reality, I believe that FOR THE MOST PART, most sitting/standing qualms can be handled between the fans involved/affected. Obviously there are unfortunate exceptions to everything, as seen here.

But is it NECESSARY for a ban on STANDING?? Perhaps if they asked us to refrain from standing for extended periods of time, or certain periods of time, that would be a lot more reasonable.

 

[zeromaster]

Small wonder the national perception is that Cowboys fans at games aren't loud enough; we're too worried about style over substance.

 

[Velvet Jones]

.. People should expect some cursing. I'm sure Little Timmy will have heard worse.

That is your excuse for a person to curse rampently around children... because he would have heard worse?

.. A game is NOT an hour long. I'm talking about from kickoff to the time the whistle blows, and everything in between.

What do I care what you do while the refs are reviewing a call or while the a time out is called? If that is all one cares about then go ahead and run around naked for two hours... just not any of the hour that the actual game is being played.

.. do you expect people to sit quietly at a football game?

Not in the least. Which is why I am on Theeb's side on that part. You go to a game then you need to expect, and be flexible on, a couple things. I am not questioning that. I am questioning this hard nose line that is drawn against people that may not be going to the game to act like a baffoon.

.. Ok, so why else would they come if they're NOT going to cheer, clap, yell?

Seriously? To watch the game, maybe? If I can yell and cheer at home, why can't a person relax and enjoy at the game. Maybe go over the nuances with his son?

.. But fans SHOULD be standing during crucial times, is that not right?

No. Fan does not equal cheering and standing. Who is more a fan, a person going for free and supporting the team with cheers instead of money or the guy that buys season tickets and sits and watches the game, getting along with people around him but not standing for 3/4 of the game?

.. while the "fans" to my right as kissing and the "fans" are watching with their arms crossed.

But isn't that what they paid their ticket price for? So who has more right... them kissing (not against the rules) or a "fan" getting drunk and disorderly pushing them (against the rules) and telling them to be real fans and cheer or get the *bleep bleep bleeeeeeeeeeeeep*

.. I'm guessing you're one of those people huge "fans" that cheer loudly inside of your head. Thanks for the fan support!

I won't argue over what type of fan I am because you have made your judgement. No need to pull my pant down so we can compare our lasso's.

.. what's to stop someone from abusing the text messaging tattling system by complaining about random people, spamming the same person?

This is seriously your worry?

Look, again my point is that you have no right to cheer. It isn't even that people should be a bit more lively. My point is that people do have different views of what makes a game enjoyable to them. To sit there and call them out at not being a real fan is very elitest. When you mix 80,000+ people, you need to be considerate of them. Most everyone here that has been pro yell have only drawn the line on what is too much for them. So they are the end all be all of what is approriate at a game. If that is the case, then my point of view is "Why come to a game if you don't want me punching you in the groin everytime the other team scores a touchdown. We are suppossed to feel the teams pain!!!!"

 

[Velvet Jones]

Hehehe I'm glad we can see both extremes of football fans :laugh1:

But in all reality, I believe that FOR THE MOST PART, most sitting/standing qualms can be handled between the fans involved/affected. Obviously there are unfortunate exceptions to everything, as seen here.

But is it NECESSARY for a ban on STANDING?? Perhaps if they asked us to refrain from standing for extended periods of time, or certain periods of time, that would be a lot more reasonable.

Exactly! Lol.

To point out first, I am enjoying this tit for tat we are exchanging here and I haven't taken anything as inapproriate. Just wanted to point it out.

My thinking on the Stand Ban is that you can't do a grey area on it. You can allow the grey area's but the rule either has to be yay or nay. I doubt this will be enforced except for the case when a person wants to take things too far and it upsets a person in the area. In all fairness... most people hitting one game a week won't even read the rules on their ticket. I do not think that they will be scanning the seats for anyone standing.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

Sure. But I can tell you that in my 31 years on earth one of the things I've found is that some people just cannot mind their own business and do crazy things like complain about people standing up when they can see perfectly fine.

Like I stated in another post, I saw a guy get escorted out at an Atlanta Braves game by taunting Bobby Abreu by yelling "Abreu." He was tossed out by another Braves fans. Seriously, what business of his was it to call an usher to throw out a guy who is just yelling out some opposing ball player's last name?

Whatever the truth really is, it wouldn't surprise me. So I still stand by that if the guy was about 10 rows above him, then the guy is a colossal douchebag.




YAKUZA

Agreed. But I doubt it went that way. Doesn't make sense. and if it did go that way, then the other guy was just plain mental.

 

[theebs]

Anyone else find the hypocrisy in a guy puffing up his chest when someone has the audacity to request he sit down so they can see, and then the same guy turning around and telling others when they can and can't go get a snack or use the bathroom.

I am positive that this tough guy act is strictly reserved for the accountants of the world who want to get their daughter a snack, and not the fan that looks like he could jump on the field and pass block.

So the argument isn't whether people have the right to ask someone to alter their behavior so as to better enjoy the game.....but it's really just that everyone needs to live by this D-bag's rules.

Just sounds like you need your ***-kicked.

*I imagine a tiny little guy with a mullet driving a giant pick'em-up truck saying things like, "If you ain't like me, go hang from a dayum tree!"*

this is your response to me? THis is what You think I am. You think I need my butt kicked?

What is this all about. I am at every single game. Please when you are in the stadium come see me. you will see I am nothing like what you are describing. I dont act like some tough guy, I never give people a hard time and I have my headphones on listening to the broadcast and I am into the game.

I have been in 1 fight in my life and I didnt start it. You couldnt be more wrong about me.

My story I am telling is true. When doctor 32 is on he will tell you what happened also. I was standing cheering on the defense along almost everyone in front of me and the two rows immediately behind me, the people are also season ticket holders. Out of nowhere a guy taps me because I have the aisle seat on the shoulder and tells me that Myself and the rest of the people need to sit down. Why he tapped me and not the guy behind me none of us know. People have this perception that I was the only one standing and I was standing for the whole game or something. I only stand when we are on defense or in a crucial play and 99 % of the time the people in front of me are standing so I have no choice.

THis guy at the saints game was being a jerk. Plain and simple. He told us to sit because he didnt buy a seat to look at all of our jerseys and I simply told him we are on defense, stand and cheer and enjoy the game. Nothing more nothing less. He then yelled to the usher who came over and told a group of us to sit down, to which I said the saints have the ball and we are on defense. I mean holy cow the video boards had signs going that said make some noise get up and help your defense.

If I or any of the other people who were standing were wrong we would have A-sat down out of courtesy or B been told to sit by the security. Neither happened because we werent doing anything in the wrong.

as far as people getting up and going in and out of the aisle, when it is happening every 2 minutes during the game, trust me I am not alone in asking people to simply wait in between plays or at least when the play is over to make all of us get up and move so they can get out. I have never told anyone they cant walk by, I simply request that they just wait till the play is over.

Some of you guys are crazy on here. You take everything to the extreme. You do not even know me. I have met a number of people at games and believe me none of them are going to tell you I need my butt kicked or I am obnoxious or whatever. I dont even drink at the stadium or outside. I dont yell and scream. I dont sit there and swear at the players etc. But I guess I am a bad guy because I like to stand and cheer on my team. Yes stand.

all these scenarios with sick people and people in wheelchairs has nothing to do with what I am talking about. The guy was bigger and in better shape than me and could have easily kicked my butt, there was just no reason for anything of that nature.

and for what it is worth I am constantly helping kids and older people who sit at the higher level of my section when they turn the corner to go up the stairs. I have the aisle seat as I said and I am always helping people up the first few steps.

and the real kicker is 99% of the time when I do stand up I take 2 steps to my right and guess what, there is no one behind me, just cement and a railing. I do that as a courtesy to the two people who always sit behind me and they appreciate because they always say thanks. Unlike me they wont always stand when we are on defense. but I am not in there way.

So I am not sure how I turned into the bad guy in this. But whatever. And for anyone thinking I am lying or I act like some tough guy, simply not true. Ask doctor32 he was there with me that night. He will tell you what a jerk the guy was, and the guy showed what kind of a fan was when he left after bush scored to start the third.

 

[CoCo]

Myself and doctor 32 had a guy come up to us during the first quarter of the Dallas New Orleans game two years ago and ask us to sit down because he couldnt see.

He was about 10 rows behind and above us. The cowboys were on defense. We were standing up and yelling and clapping. The guy taps me on the shoulder and tells me his wife and himself could not see the field and that he didnt buy a ticket to look at the back of his jersey.

both of us wanted to strangle him. He went and got the usher, which is a 17 year old 100 lb girl at texas stadium and she told us to sit down. We told her no way and she got security. We told them we were just clapping when they were on defense and standing up and they asked us to sit down.

meanwhile the moron left after reggie bush scored to start the third.

I dont understand people. IN many cities that guy would have been heckled beyond belief for asking us that, but in Dallas the fans all just kind of mind their business.

If you are not going to stand and cheer why go to the game?

I read your post in response to TOOMBS and decided to go back to your original post which is quoted here.

Where I have an issue with the original post is that the bolded statement implies to me that standing is always appropriate. Your post does not suggest the use of discretion in any circumstance. I'm not sure you intended that message but I think its pretty clearly implied.

Its that message that I disagree with. I think fans on both sides of this issue need to exhibit some tolerance and balance. For those that do, things generally work out fine. Doesn't mean you won't sometimes encounter those who are out of balance. Then we deal with those as best we can. But taking a similar position of imbalance is not the solution IMO.

I think you probably have been unfairly characterized here by some but I think it may trace back to that bolded statement.

 

[theebs]

I read your post in response to TOOMBS and decided to go back to your original post which is quoted here.

Where I have an issue with the original post is that the bolded statement implies to me that standing is always appropriate. Your post does not suggest the use of discretion in any circumstance. I'm not sure you intended that message but I think its pretty clearly implied.

Its that message that I disagree with. I think fans on both sides of this issue need to exhibit some tolerance and balance. For those that do, things generally work out fine. Doesn't mean you won't sometimes encounter those who are out of balance. Then we deal with those as best we can. But taking a similar position of imbalance is not the solution IMO.

I think you probably have been unfairly characterized here by some but I think it may trace back to that bolded statement.

well your right. I said in all my posts, I do not stand the whole game. Nor does anyone else. But I will always stand when the person in front of me stands, I cant see if I dont. Most of the stadium stands during or before big plays. My whole post was about getting told to sit down during a huge defensive moment when the saints had the ball in the 2nd quarter, it might have been the late 1st I just remember I missed two plays because of talking to the guy, the usher and the security guard and the saints ended up scoring. I was standing up cheering during a 3rd down. I mean, I guess I have this idea that everyone does.

People have totally mis-understood what I am talking about and are going to these extreme examples that do not apply. Especially me asking people not to get up during a play.

Doctor 32 and another friend were with me against the skins last year also. We had an australian guy and his friend and wife and infant next to us. The guy was totally drunk and got up every 2 minutes, literally to pee or get another beer or food. He didnt even know where he was he was so drunk. Finally late in the 2nd quarter when he came barging back into the aisle and blocked my view and my friend next to me, I simply asked politely if he could wait till the play was over next time. NO big deal, a simple request. I am not ruining his gameday experience whatsoever or denying him anything. Just simply asking that he allow us to watch the game, we were constantly moving.

so anyway he turned around and got nose to nose with me out of nowhere and went crazy. I simply said you keep making us move during plays, all we are asking is that you simply wait till the play is over and we will happily move for you. But that wasnt possible so he went nuts calling me every name in the book, there were kids all over the section and people were getting mad at him. His wife demanded he sit down and apologize and he finally did after about 15 minutes. That is what I am talking about when I say being bullied. This happens alot, people show up, get totally drunk and keep making all of us move to get out of the aisle, right while the ball is being snapped. It is not fair to the fans who are watching the game for that to repeatedly happen. A few times is expected but the entire game is not fair.

I have it happen all the time. Because I am on the aisle I always simply ask people to just give us the courtesy of getting up after plays are over or during breaks. 90% of people say "yea sorry, absolutely" but at least 1 game seemingly every year there is some jerk who starts trouble.

An eagles fan did this to me and my brother in law in 05 at the stadium. He was getting up to give a guy two rows ahead of me a hard time and constantly making me move. I asked him and he flipped. Called me a dallas ***, a queer and everything else, threatened me with some fighting crap. It was actually pretty funny because everyone was sick of the guy and after I spoke up the whole section gave him a hard time.

I am nothing like what toombs or cajun are trying to portray me as. Although I dont care what cajun thinks, I do care what toombs thinks because I dont want someone to think that of me when I am the exact opposite of what he was saying.

oh and toombs. I dont have a mullet. I am a generic average size white guy and I dont drive a pick up truck, nor do I have a southern accent!!!!!

I do drive a mini van though.

 

[TOOMBS]

I think I misread your post and took it as you were purposely not letting people through until you were ready for them to pass. I think that thought mixed with the bully comment and your anger at the people who asked you to sit all formed an impression of you being a bully. Obviously that isn't what you said or meant... apologies for the snap judgement. It is pretty apparent that I was way off base.

Once again, my apologies.

 

[theebs]

I think I misread your post and took it as you were purposely not letting people through until you were ready for them to pass. I think that thought mixed with the bully comment and your anger at the people who asked you to sit all formed an impression of you being a bully. Obviously that isn't what you said or meant... apologies for the snap judgement. It is pretty apparent that I was way off base.

Once again, my apologies.

No prob dude. I am glad you actually read what I wrote!! I didnt want you to think I am anything like that because I am not!!!

 

[poke]

i actually moved my seats from the aisle to the middle of the row because
it is a pain getting up every time someone wants to get out.........
i never leave my seat except right before the half and maybe once in the second half depending on how the game is going so i just decided to get
middle of the row seats and let the folks on either side go all they want.
as far as the standing goes....i stand a lot when the defense is on the field
but if the folks in front of me are sitting and the folks behind me are sitting
i tend to stay seated unless the Boys do something to get me on my feet.
its just my effort to get along and make everybodys trip to the game enjoyable. HOWEVER....sometimes there are people who make it very hard
to do that.

 

[CATCH17]

No prob dude. I am glad you actually read what I wrote!! I didnt want you to think I am anything like that because I am not!!!

People on this board should know that.

You should just make a video for everyone so they can fully understand I guess.

 

[baj1dallas]

Perhaps he or his wife have medical reasons which prevent them from being able to stand long periods.

then don't go. real fans only please.

 

[poke]

then don't go. real fans only please.

i totally disagree with this.....if someone has a medical condition and yet they
still put out the extra effort it takes to attend the game i will be more than
happy to try and get along with them and applaud their commitment to support the Boys......
and if you were kidding, sorry i missed it

 

[Brandon]

Exactly! If you can't be civil for three hours and be supportive of other peoples views, then sit your old *** home, strap on your wife beater, grab your 7th beer and yell all you like at your giant size entertainment peice that is just you trying to hold desperatly onto you younger dayz.

Wait... Seeing in type like that, I think we are actually on different sides of this discussion. My bad..

I don't drink first of all.

Can't be civil? Since when is CHEERING you're team and HELPING you're team not civil? Did you forget to take you're medication or did you forget you're diaper, and you spelled desperately wrong.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

I am nothing like what toombs or cajun are trying to portray me as. Although I dont care what cajun thinks, I do care what toombs thinks because I dont want someone to think that of me when I am the exact opposite of what he was saying.

Ahhhh, hooptie doo. The point I was making is that if it went down the way you said, then the other guy is a mental patient. It sound plausible for someone who could see from 10 rows back comes all the way down just to pick you two guys out and take a chance on getting into a fight. It made no sense.

You need to get a grip, read and comprehend.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

My 2 cents:

When I pay for a SEAT at a concert, I like to be able to utilize it whenever possible without having my view obstructed. Now if I paid general admission where the floor is standing only with seats in the balconies then so be it. I'm there to see a show not "cheer" on the band.

As far as sporting events go...I like to be able to sit when i chose and then stand up and celebrate at different moments....big plays, scores, defensive stands, etc. etc. I, myself, am perfectly capable of cheering loudly whether I'm sitting or standing. There's no need to constantly stand and act a fool as if every play just won the SuperBowl.

same here, and I hate it when chicks get so into the music, that they put their arms up like they're praising God or something, rocking back and forth

you can't see ****, you have to jump up and down

 

[koolaid]

I hope you are kidding because that is one of the weakest things Ive ever heard. What kind of concerts do you go to? Barry Manilow?

whats wrong with barry!!?

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Agreed. But I doubt it went that way. Doesn't make sense. and if it did go that way, then the other guy was just plain mental.

I have no idea if it did. But I honestly believe it's 50/50. Every time I go to a Braves or Thrashers game it seems that there's somebody with a bug up their arse about something that is none of their business. The last thing I ever worry about in a sporting event is somebody standing in front of me. Usually it's either some obnoxious drunk or on the opposite end of the spectrum, somebody being uptight and ruining the fun for the rest of the fans.

I really believe that most fans have the attitude that because they paid X amount of dollars, they should get their way.


YAKUZA