arglebargle
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A lot of sloppy analytics and made up metrics in NFL Football nowadays, it seems. Makes it easier for talking heads, I guess. Beats a regular job for the folks doing it too.
Not a single "elite" starter in Dallas? PFF Depth Chart
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jobberone
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There is not one for Seattle yet DE. Here is the link for when they do post it:
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/05/12/2014-depth-charts/
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They have posted their criteria and they state they aren't trying to recreate each roster which is fine. Too many variables. However I suspect our defense may change enough to warrant a better look and I strongly believe that a couple or more will contribute this year.
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How anyone who watches any football doesn't consider Tyron elite is beyond me. Either way I expect him to reach that level in the eyes of everyone including PFF in the next year or two.
I don't have much problem with most of the other projections though I think a case can easily be made for Bryant and Bailey to be considered elite as well.
The good news is there is reason to believe Frederick and TWill can both become above average starters and most of the secondary can improve a level or two with a half decent pass rush and more man coverage.
I don't have much problem with most of the other projections though I think a case can easily be made for Bryant and Bailey to be considered elite as well.
The good news is there is reason to believe Frederick and TWill can both become above average starters and most of the secondary can improve a level or two with a half decent pass rush and more man coverage.
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I think Mack will start over Leary. Leary has much worse 'grades' than Mack. But we'll see. I wouldn't even bet without some odds that Zack will start although I suspect he will. I hope injury doesn't determine who starts and the depth.
Romo as a good starter is laughable; IMHO. If he's not elite then at least high quality.
I doubt Randle will be HB2. Pencil in a good starter/backup there. Dunbar if healthy is a playmaker. How they score players with limited but quality touches is a problem for all.
Either Spencer or Crawford will start at SDE over Selvie. Selvie has good grades on PFF for run defense but he is marginal there.
Hayden will be pressed to start at DT. McClain likely gets that job and I think he will be a good starter.
Bass will get significant snaps if healthy and be a solid player.
Durant is average to good. Carter will be average to good. Carr, OScan, and Claiborne will be solid starters. Church is solid.
We aren't that bad. Still there are a lot of things that have to roll out right for us.
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Tyron is not elite. He's very good but still has improvements to be made. I don't really worry about kickers and punters being elite.
For me, Dez gets shut out of games too easy for my taste. And if he's not engaged early, he has been known to loaf, like many of other WRs. Whether or not that is him or the product of our inept OC (probably more of the latter), I don't know. You could make the argument either way for him. He's right on the border.
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The main thing this chart showed me is that we did a very good job bringing in alot of defensive youth this offseason. I love seeing all that purple in the defensive side of the chart.
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Watch Brandon Marshall's blocking... The guy is kick-arse.
For Dez Bryant, blocking is a distinct afterthought. Throw in absent-minded penalty now and again, and it's easy to see why he doesn't make the cut to "elite" status.
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Agreed with most of your comments but, in general, I am wondering why some many here on CZ are so convinced that McClain and Bass will be solid contributors with at least one of them being a starter.
When I look at McClain, I see a guy who, entering his 5th year in the league, is playing for his 4th team, has been cut by two teams, and has 29 tackles and 2 sacks in his entire career.
With Bass, I see a guy who went undrafted and going into his 3rd season in the league has managed a single tackle (and it was an assist) and nothing more.
I take it as a sign of how dire things are on the Cowboy's DL that these guys of kind of guys, who would normally be looked at as nothing more than camp fodder, are guys Cowboys fans on pinning their hopes to.
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Now this should stir the hornets nest
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/05/22/2014-depth-chart-dallas-cowboys/
You really don't need elite players to win championships...so I'm not sure why this really matters, in the scheme of things. Give me 21 Good Starters, with a Good to High Quality QB - that is a true recipe for success.
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Their rating system is literally a psychological survey. I don't know how many graders they have but a group of say 10 guys watch every play assign a number to it indicating how much they liked the players performance.
They numerically record how they felt about the play which is exactly what psychologists and pollsters do. It's glorified power rankings really.
They numerically record how they felt about the play which is exactly what psychologists and pollsters do. It's glorified power rankings really.
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21 good starters? Sorry.. we can't do that either.
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That's what I took away from it too.
In fact, the roster looks better overall to me.
I never really take their ratings seriously, but looking at the roster in that format is nice.
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No, nothing to do with everyone else so bad we have to start and/or play marginal or subpar players.
I think McClain is going to be a solid player at the 1/3 DT. He has the size and skills to do well in this defense. He's played at positions not suited to serve his talents well IMO.
Bass was touted as pushing for playing time last year when he got hurt. So we're not looking at past production but instead what the coaches and players are saying about the player.
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Romo was much better than Brady last year.
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No, I get that. My point is, you don't need elite players or even high quality players to win championship's. Furthermore, I didn't say 53 good starters, which would suggest that the guys behind them are average if not worse. However, I should have added staying relatively healthy would be a necessity, as well, which is another thing I'm afraid we can't have.
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Hmm. No.
Brady did an amazing job consider the (expletive) he had going for him at WR, TE (for much of the season) and even at RB. And considering the NE OL didn't pass protect as well as what the Cowboy OL did for Romo... I have no problems giving Brady the nod.
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Depends on what you would consider elite.
If elite, to you, means the very very best, then no he's not elite.
If you consider it top 3, then Tyron is in the conversation.
If you consider it top 5, then Tyron is certainly elite. No question.
So whaddya say? Also, who would you have better than Tyron at this point?