Okay so who will be Dallas' one BIG FA signing?

[BAT]

I agree. Seymour would be an upgrade but I don't think you'd see much more production. So the money would be better spent elsewhere.

You don't think Seymour would generate much more production? Seymour, like Rat, can play all along the DL, whether it is a 3-4 or 4-3 front. Seymour is a playmaker, able to rush the passer, stop the run and drop into zone coverage on any given play. Seymour would provide at least THREE times the pressure, EASILY, than what Spears produces.

Spears is a solid player, Seymour is an all-pro. And a proven three time champion. Seymour's sack numbers are Rat-like. And he played on a team that favored a base 2 gapping 3-4. Imagine what he can do in a predominant one gapping 3-4 that Wade uses. Think 2 Ratliff-like players on every down.

Tackles Interceptions Fumbles
G GS Comb Total Ast Sck SFTY PDef Int Yds Avg Lng TDs FF
2009 Oakland Raiders 16 16 47 30 17 4.0 -- 3 -- -- 0.0 -- -- 1
2008 New England Patriots 15 15 52 35 17 8.0 -- 1 -- -- 0.0 -- -- 0
2007 New England Patriots 9 8 23 15 8 1.5 -- 1 -- -- 0.0 -- -- 0
2006 New England Patriots 16 15 40 22 18 4.0 -- 7 1 0 0.0 0 0 0
2005 New England Patriots 12 12 46 35 11 4.0 -- 4 -- -- 0.0 -- -- 1
2004 New England Patriots 15 15 39 24 15 5.0 0 0 -- -- 0.0 -- -- 1
2003 New England Patriots 15 14 57 34 23 8.0 -- 8 -- -- 0.0 -- -- 1
2002 New England Patriots 16 16 56 33 23 5.5 -- 2 1 6 6.0 6 0 0
2001 New England Patriots 13 10 44 25 19 3.0 -- 1 -- -- 0.0 -- -- 0

 

[jobberone]

Like I said it'd be an upgrade but I don't think you'll see a lot more out of him than you do Spears. A few sacks and a little more pressure. But 3-4 DEs don't get to do a lot. Ware and Spencer are going to get the most then Ratliff since he gets to play a different technique than a true NT. But our DEs have to stay at home. Seymour would collapse the pocket a little more often than the others. Don't forget Bowen and Hatcher come in on obvious passing downs and they do pretty well.

If we were talking a 4-3 DE then it'd be different. I don't want Seymour or Peppers in here. Too much money and we can't use them properly IMO. Seymour at least fits in the 3-4. There's no room for Peppers. You'd have to sit Spencer too much.

 

[SLATEmosphere]

I agree. Seymour would be an upgrade but I don't think you'd see much more production. So the money would be better spent elsewhere.

I really do hope your kidding.

Go look at Seymours sack and QB pressure totals compared to Spears then come back to me.

The dude is a difference maker and a leader. I have no idea what your talking about.

 

[Gzus]

I really do hope your kidding.

Go look at Seymours sack and QB pressure totals compared to Spears then come back to me.

The dude is a difference maker and a leader. I have no idea what your talking about.

Too many pass rushers and too few run stoppers will get you in trouble. Production wise we don't need anything more than Spears is giving us now, we have other areas we can and need to improve so use the money there. We honestly don't need anymore leaders on defense, we already have Brooking, James, and Ware.... too many leaders and no followers isn't a good team dynamic. In the end, bringing in Seymour vs. resigning Spears is a cost-reward scenario, Seymour offers you more reward than Spears (not spectacularly more, but a little more) while Spears costs you much less than Seymour.

 

[Big Country]

bing*************-o

 

[jobberone]

I really do hope your kidding.

Go look at Seymours sack and QB pressure totals compared to Spears then come back to me.

The dude is a difference maker and a leader. I have no idea what your talking about.

Our DEs have to stay home and contain. There's a reason why they aren't getting more pressure. And no I don't think Seymour is going to do that much more in our system. More than a little and less than a lot. Unless you're going to sign him to a one year contract for the uncapped year and not load up on a big contract that will prorate after next year then he's not a great bargain compared to the difference in sacks and pressure he'll give us. I just don't think our system is conducive for 3-4 DEs. So I'm not impressed that his previous totals completely translate here. I'm sure I could be wrong.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

CLE LB D'Qwell Jackson

This guy would put our defense on a whole different level.

 

[SLATEmosphere]

Our DEs have to stay home and contain. There's a reason why they aren't getting more pressure. And no I don't think Seymour is going to do that much more in our system. More than a little and less than a lot. Unless you're going to sign him to a one year contract for the uncapped year and not load up on a big contract that will prorate after next year then he's not a great bargain compared to the difference in sacks and pressure he'll give us. I just don't think our system is conducive for 3-4 DEs. So I'm not impressed that his previous totals completely translate here. I'm sure I could be wrong.

I don't think the "system" has anything to do with Spears' sack totals. I just dont think he's very good at it.

Ratliff has put up numerous sacks in our "system"

Seymour would be a difference maker no matter what system he's in. He balled in New Englands 3-4. He balled in Oaklands 4-3. He's just a really good player.

 

[T-RO]

Too many pass rushers and too few run stoppers will get you in trouble. Production wise we don't need anything more than Spears is giving us now, we have other areas we can and need to improve so use the money there. We honestly don't need anymore leaders on defense, we already have Brooking, James, and Ware.... too many leaders and no followers isn't a good team dynamic. In the end, bringing in Seymour vs. resigning Spears is a cost-reward scenario, Seymour offers you more reward than Spears (not spectacularly more, but a little more) while Spears costs you much less than Seymour.

I think I may disagree with almost every single sentence in this post. Almost.

 

[SLATEmosphere]

I think I may disagree with almost every single sentence in this post. Almost.

:laugh2:

I know right.

 

[T-RO]

Seymour would be a difference maker no matter what system he's in. He balled in New Englands 3-4. He balled in Oaklands 4-3. He's just a really good player.

Now that I agree with.

Go back to a Monday game last season. John Madden was careful not to single anyone out but during a Cowboy game he referenced d-linemen that were "just blobs". He then made sure to differentiate that Ratliff was *not* one of those guys. It was clear that he didn't think highly of Spears or Canty.

Minnesota showed how sweet it is if you can rush four and get pressure--but then have seven in coverage. That's something we don't have right now.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

I do not want BIG NAME free agents any more.

Last year we had people clamoring for Ray Lewis. We got Keith Brooking for a song in comparison to the money Ray wanted.

I don't mind adding Free Agents, but the big name guys never make a difference. Tell me who is the big name Free Agent that the Colts signed this off season? Who is the Saints version? Who did Pittsburgh sign last year? Who did the Cardinals sign last year? What about the Patriots the year before? Or the Giants?

Every year the Commanders sign the biggest Free Agent on the market or at least top 5. 4-12 in 2009. How is that practice looking?

Where did signing TO get us in the long run? He felt he was more important than the whole team. He was the missing piece.

I am not in favor of big name guys. It is just that simple.

Cards: Kurt Warner?
Giants: Plax?


-This FA market sucks. Raiders cant let Seymour go, itd be embarassing, even for them.

Peppers is a paper tiger and we have Spencer. I would like a halfway decent G/C though. The KR can come in through the draft since hell probably be a 4th/5th WR or back-up DB anyway.

 

[BAT]

Our DEs have to stay home and contain. There's a reason why they aren't getting more pressure. And no I don't think Seymour is going to do that much more in our system. More than a little and less than a lot. Unless you're going to sign him to a one year contract for the uncapped year and not load up on a big contract that will prorate after next year then he's not a great bargain compared to the difference in sacks and pressure he'll give us. I just don't think our system is conducive for 3-4 DEs. So I'm not impressed that his previous totals completely translate here. I'm sure I could be wrong.

No matter how many times you repeat this, it does not make it true. Wade plays a one gapping 3-4 and his DEs have great opportunities to rush the passer. Luis Castillo is not nearly the talent that Richard Seymour is, and Castillo averaged 5.5 sacks in his two seasons under Wade. Playing DE.

Other DE averages under Wade:

Patrick Kearney 8.5 sacks
Bruce Smith 10.8 sacks
Shane Dronett 6.25 sacks
Reggie White 19 sacks
Jumpy Geathers 6.25 sacks


If a player has ANY talent to rush the passer, Wade will bring it out_in spades, no matter the position. Your argument is entirely specious.

 

[LatinMind]

seemslike there will only be one big impact fa and thats julius peppers. and now hes saying he wants to go back to carolina

 

[Beast_from_East]

I'm so down with Seymour though.

I hope that piece of **** Raiders organzitation doesnt franchise him.

The Raiders have no choice, do you know how stupid they would look if they traded away a top 5 pick to "rent a guy" for 1 season???

They cant let Seymour just walk out the door, they have to franchise him.

 

[Beast_from_East]

All that matters is both teams are sitting home on super bowl sunday...so both ways are wrong. I think the answer lies in between, it never hurts to grab a guy that can really help and if we grab a solid Olineman, I think we'll be a better team so if Jed has to spend to do it, then so be it IMHO..

I dont agree, saying a 4 win Commander team is equivalent to a final 8 team is not the same.

Clearly the team that made it to the final 8 is not doing it "the wrong way". A 4 win team that has blown up their coaching staff and replaced everybody clearly thinks they were doing it "the wrong way".

I think we are doing things the right way, building through the draft with our core players. Despite what some posters may believe, it is actually very hard to get to the final 8 in the NFL. That means that we had a better season than 75% of the league, that is not a bad season by any stretch of the imagination. So I dont think you can say our approach is wrong, we just have to build on what we have.

 

[Beast_from_East]

seemslike there will only be one big impact fa and thats julius peppers. and now hes saying he wants to go back to carolina

Peppers will go where the money is, if Carolina wants to poney up the dough, he is cool with that.


You just know the Skins are going to try to sign Peppers, it fits their MO of signing the top FA every offseason. Even if they get Peppers, I aint worried. With the exception of about 3 games this year, Peppers mailed in the season. I wonder if his $15 million guaranteed 1 yr contract had any impact on that???

The rumor going around Carolina is that Peppers dogged it for much of the year because he was pissed that Carolina franchised him and made him play on a 1 year deal. I not saying that is what happend, I am just saying that is the rumor going around in Carolina. (I have some college buddies that live down there and that is what they are saying the local media is talking about).

 

[CF74]

Peppers will go where the money is, if Carolina wants to poney up the dough, he is cool with that.


You just know the Skins are going to try to sign Peppers, it fits their MO of signing the top FA every offseason. Even if they get Peppers, I aint worried. With the exception of about 3 games this year, Peppers mailed in the season. I wonder if his $15 million guaranteed 1 yr contract had any impact on that???

The rumor going around Carolina is that Peppers dogged it for much of the year because he was pissed that Carolina franchised him and made him play on a 1 year deal. I not saying that is what happend, I am just saying that is the rumor going around in Carolina. (I have some college buddies that live down there and that is what they are saying the local media is talking about).

Wait he got $15Mill for one season and dogged it???

 

[Beast_from_East]

Wait he got $15Mill for one season and dogged it???

He was franchised last year instead of being allowed to test the market, so he suppossedly got pissed about it. From what I hear, players hate the franchise tag with a passion and consider it a slap in the face.

I dont see how a new CBA will ever include franchise tags, I just dont see the players agreeing to it unless free agency is dropped to like just 2 or 3 years in the league.

 

[CF74]

He was franchised last year instead of being allowed to test the market, so he suppossedly got pissed about it. From what I hear, players hate the franchise tag with a passion and consider it a slap in the face.

I dont see how a new CBA will ever include franchise tags, I just dont see the players agreeing to it unless free agency is dropped to like just 2 or 3 years in the league.

I understand all that but he got $15mill for one season???