QB Acquisitions from Aikman's Last Season/Post Johnson Era to the Present

[Bowdown27]

What a god awful list.

 

[DallasEast]

What a god awful list.

Well. Jones did make a deal with The Devil after divorcing himself from a two-time defending Super Bowl winning head coach. Kinda makes sense why it's awful.

 

[Jayinem]

What exactly did they play like? Look at all those SBs we’ve won during their tenure. I’ll take the first round draft picks which could equate to an elite QB and SBs over what Dak and Romo did in their careers. Then again JJ has brain washed many into thinking mediocrity is greatness.

They definitely outplayed their draft position, or in Romo's case no draft position. There are plenty of first round picks that did worse.

But yes I would have rather rolled the dice with the first round picks.

Remember though Jerry's infatuation with Johnny Manziel and rumors were he was going to be our first round pick that year? Jerry would have probably screwed it up either way.

 

[Hadenough]

Until we build a great defense that shows up in the playoffs we’ll never win another championship regardless the QB.

COMPLETE BS! Mahomes doesn't have a great defense. You don't need a top 3 defense to win a SB. The SF 49ers have one and they haven't a SB. You gotta have a dam good QB. Without that your dead in the water. The QB can inspire a top 10 defense to play like top 5 defense. A top QB can keep drives going and play keep away keeping the defense fresh and inspired. Making them look better than they are.

 

[The Quest for Six]

Breaking News......using premium draft capital on a premium position equates to a much better chance of winning a championship.......WHO KNEW!!!

 

[Cowboys5217]

Breaking News......using premium draft capital on a premium position equates to a much better chance of winning a championship.......WHO KNEW!!!

Yep. It's all right there in the simple analytics of just observing which QB's won SBs, and where they were most commonly drafted.

I thought Jerry hired a bunch of numbers and stats geeks to help with this stuff. Either they are incompetent, or Jerry doesn't listen to them.

 

[Bowdown27]

Well. Jones did make a deal with The Devil after divorcing himself from a two-time defending Super Bowl winning head coach. Kinda makes sense why it's awful.

Ain’t that the truth.

 

[KJJ]

COMPLETE BS! Mahomes doesn't have a great defense. You don't need a top 3 defense to win a SB. The SF 49ers have one and they haven't a SB. You gotta have a dam good QB. Without that you’re dead in the water. The QB can inspire a top 10 defense to play like top 5 defense. A top QB can keep drives going and play keep away keeping the defense fresh and inspired. Making them look better than they are.

You need to start watching our playoff games. Our defense has been the main problem. Mahomes is one of the all-time great QBs and his defense has played well in the playoffs. The 49ers haven’t won a SB because they haven’t been able to stop Mahomes with the game on the line. They lost a SB with Kap at QB because the Ravens defense stepped up with the game on the line.

 

[DallasEast]

Yep. It's all right there in the simple analytics of just observing which QB's won SBs, and where they were most commonly drafted.

I thought Jerry hired a bunch of numbers and stats geeks to help with this stuff. Either they are incompetent, or Jerry doesn't listen to them.

Is it not fascinating how two men, with lifetime untouchable managerial responsibilities, have trial-and-errored for longer than some their franchise's adult fans have been alive, but still not achieve an aura for their football operations as a fine-tuned machine after all this time?

 

[starfan1]

You need to start watching our playoff games. Our defense has been the main problem. Mahomes is one of the all-time great QBs and his defense has played well in the playoffs. The 49ers haven’t won a SB because they haven’t been able to stop Mahomes with the game on the line. They lost a SB with Kap at QB because the Ravens defense stepped up with the game on the line.

Imagine using a generational QB as an example of the norm rather than the exception

 

[Denim Chicken]

A look back at the quarterbacks given the final okay for roster pickup by the Mad Genius during the past 24 seasons. Are there any missing players?

Of the top of my head, missing Will Grier.

 

[KJJ]

Imagine using a generational QB as an example of the norm rather than the exception

That’s par for the course here.

 

[DallasEast]

Of the top of my head, missing Will Grier.

Thanks. Graphic and list updated.

 

[TwistedL0g1k]

The simple fact is, on average, higher drafted QB's have higher success. This is true whether measured by rating, win percentage, playoff wins, or Super-bowls.

Folks love to point out the exceptions- from Brady drafted low to Leaf drafted high, but the fact remains.

It's also a fact that the Cowboys have devoted precious little draft capital to the position since Aikman.

The opinion here is that these two facts are not coincidental. In the long run, the averages win out. The team's failure to devote significant draft capital to the position is directly related to their failure to achieve playoff success.

 

[DallasEast]

The simple fact is, on average, higher drafted QB's have higher success. This is true whether measured by rating, win percentage, playoff wins, or Super-bowls.

Folks love to point out the exceptions- from Brady drafted low to Leaf drafted high, but the fact remains.

It's also a fact that the Cowboys have devoted precious little draft capital to the position since Aikman.

The opinion here is that these two facts are not coincidental. In the long run, the averages win out. The team's failure to devote significant draft capital to the position is directly related to their failure to achieve playoff success.

I overwhelmingly agree for the most part. Trent Dilfer is often mentioned as an outlier too but he was a former first-round pick also who eventually benefitted Baltimore instead of Tampa Bay--the franchise that drafted him sixth overall.

Dilfer's transferred draft capital amounted to leading via playing it safe each game and allowing the Ravens historically good defense to mainly command and win games. Dilfer is regarded as a marginally effective quarterback. It would not surprise me if Jerry Jones graded Dilfer in a similar way. I think that is why he would equate or overinflate his assessments of Tony Romo and Dak Prescott as being Dilfer's equals at the position.

Likewise, I further believe this is another central flaw in Jones' decision-making. The Ravens' defense was the main catalyst of a Super Bowl championship with Dilfer, who actually was the backup to Tony Banks early that season. Banks is another decision-making flaw in Jones' decision-making but I digress. What Jones has not been successful in doing is overseeing building another team catalyst capable of getting better postseason results like a powerhouse defense.

That is partially why I created the thread. For certain, this thread's focus is on Jones' past decisions at a single position. However, the thread is also reflective of Jones' inability at managing positions collectively, within any specific short-time frame, and capitalizing like Baltimore did with a non-elite quarterback during their Super Bowl window. He has been trial-and-erroring with the entire roster since Aikman when down in 2000. Fielding teams sometimes good enough to reach the postseason but that's it.

It is an ever-repeating shortcoming. Top it off with his inability to maximize any of the tiniest advantages he may have in overcoming what he has put together as a GM. In my opinion (definitely not shared by others and portions of the media), 2016 was his biggest failure of pushing the envelope to the max it trying to at least reach the NFC championship game. No rookie quarterback, before or since, has appeared in or won a Super Bowl. Jones (and a significant number of others) thought he could that season. That team had a chance, no matter how tiny that chance was. And he crapped onto the hand he played to himself.

Guy needs to step down. Let someone else make roster and coaching hiring decisions. Like 2002. It's freaking 2024.

Whatever. The end part of this rant is not directed at you. Just venting.

 

[diamonddelts]

Until we build a great defense that shows up in the playoffs we’ll never win another championship regardless the QB.

Defense held their own in the rematch with SF in the playoffs a few years ago. Still loss due to Heimlich maneuver at QB. The problem is bigger than them.

 

[Hadenough]

You need to start watching our playoff games. Our defense has been the main problem. Mahomes is one of the all-time great QBs and his defense has played well in the playoffs. The 49ers haven’t won a SB because they haven’t been able to stop Mahomes with the game on the line. They lost a SB with Kap at QB because the Ravens defense stepped up with the game on the line.

Every time this defense has stepped up, Dak has played an egg. These weren't championship games but Dallas played KC and the defense held Mahomes to like 19 points and Dak scores 9. How the Philly game where Wentz beat Dak 13 to 9. Its the QB that matters the most. Your not building a defense like the 85 Bears or the 2000 Ravens in today's game.

 

[KJJ]

Defense held their own in the rematch with SF in the playoffs a few years ago. Still loss due to Heimlich maneuver at QB. The problem is bigger than them.

That was the only playoff game we’ve lost in years where the defense was respectable.The defense has been our number one problem in the playoffs.

 

[gtb1943]

Stopping the run has been a huge issue in the playoffs for many years and our pass rush disappears in the playoffs, which is why we lost twice to Aaron Rodgers. Our playoff teams have holes that can be exploited. We put everything on our QB to have to win the game. It wasn’t like that with Staubach and Aikman.

A basically one legged Aaron Rodgers doing what he wanted is the most egregious example of not getting to the QB when it really mattered

 

[KJJ]

Every time this defense has stepped up, Dak has played an egg. These weren't championship games but Dallas played KC and the defense held Mahomes to like 19 points and Dak scores 9. How the Philly game where Wentz beat Dak 13 to 9. It’s the QB that matters the most. You’re not building a defense like the 85 Bears or the 2000 Ravens in today's game.

You’re totally wrong! Dak played one of his best games against Tampa in the opener on the road a few years ago and our defense couldn’t hold off Brady with the game on the line. Dak played well against Aaron Rodgers in the playoffs in 2016, passing for over 300 yards and 3 TDs but our defense choked in the final seconds. Dak out played Jared Goff in the playoffs but our defense got steamrolled. I’m not asking the defense to be the 85 Bears or the 2000 Ravens but it’s going to take a great defense similar to what we had in the 70s and 90s for us to win another championship.