Revealing insight from Brown Sugar , straight from Cowboy players

[Nors]

Carter was a hard worker, Parcells liked the kid. Problem is Carter wasnt to smart. He had the chance of a lifetime along side a coach willing to stand by his mistake riddled season.

HE decided that some mary jane was more importent, Parcells decided his talent wasnt that importent. He couldnt land a job untill the Jets second stringer goes down.

They guy was a run of the mill qb, he rode a defense that played good against bad teams. When the defense needed the ofense to score more points, like more than eighteen Carter couldnt handel the pressure and made mistakes. Now I'm not putting all the blame on Carter but the 41 Vinny is doing better with the same O. We are just facing better teams this season than they were last season.

Carter wasnt the difference maker last season by no stretch of the imagination.

Controlled the football and we won the battle of TOP and that translates to victories. This new found pass happy attack is not scoring any more points and maybe the Carter constructed offense was better for the team.

Its all excuses and deflection how 2-4 is better than 5-1. That math don't work.

 

[Hostile]

huh?

i just want to know what players said it. i just want to know what is wrong with my team. and if it is cutting Q-man, i want to know who said it.

PM her and ask directly as opposed to 3 or 4 posts asking people who clearly don't know which players she talked to. They can't force her to reveal who. I don't think the who is important because I don't doubt everything she says like some do. If I did want to know I would ask her privately via PM rather than trying to stir up stuff.

 

[Nors]

huh?

i just want to know what players said it. i just want to know what is wrong with my team. and if it is cutting Q-man, i want to know who said it.

ugh ugh ahhhahhahahhhhhhhhhhhhh

Rock on dude

 

[marsbennett]

this team just out right sucks butt! Q being here would not have one a single game more than we have already.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Controlled the football and we won the battle of TOP and that translates to victories. This new found pass happy attack is not scoring any more points and maybe the Carter constructed offense was better for the team.

Its all excuses and deflection how 2-4 is better than 5-1. That math don't work.

So we should have kept Carter so we didnt lose games by throwing? How in the world can you blame VT for Parcells calling a different game than last season? This I have to hear.

 

[Nors]

So we should have kept Carter so we didnt lose games by throwing? How in the world can you blame VT for Parcells calling a different game than last season? This I have to hear.

A conservative play calling game plan gave the team a better chance to win games.

No evidence supports that VT pass attack is better serving the team.

5-1
2-4

proof in pudding.

 

[KaiserSoze]

PM her and ask directly as opposed to 3 or 4 posts asking people who clearly don't know which players she talked to. They can't force her to reveal who. I don't think the who is important because I don't doubt everything she says like some do. If I did want to know I would ask her privately via PM rather than trying to stir up stuff.

I was not trying to stir up anything.

i just was curious.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

A conservative play calling game plan gave the team a better chance to win games.

No evidence supports that VT pass attack is better serving the team.

5-1
2-4

proof in pudding.

No evidence supports that VT pass attack is better serving the team.

So you are of the mind set group that Carter won ten games last season by himself and Vinny has lost four games this season by himself.

Brilliant.

 

[Nors]

this team just out right sucks butt! Q being here would not have one a single game more than we have already.

Who's to say what our record would have been with Quincy?

2-4, I dare say we'd be better - no downside there as we were 5-1 last year and he is a CRITICAL Part missing FROM LAST YEAR SOME CHANGES HERE BACKFIRED!

I'm with Brown Sugar and apparantly the team feels the same..........

 

[DipChit]

Controlled the football and we won the battle of TOP and that translates to victories. This new found pass happy attack is not scoring any more points and maybe the Carter constructed offense was better for the team.

Its all excuses and deflection how 2-4 is better than 5-1. That math don't work.

So let me guess.. we started 5-1 because of Carter but finished 5-6 because maybe um, I dont know.. the defense started blowing it all the time or Bill got stupid?

I mean it's all water under the bridge so who really cares anyway. The only thing I would note is that had the team started 5-6 and finished 5-1 I'd say the Carter apologists would've had alot more to hang their hat on when it came to concerns about him being cut before this season started. You'd forever have been able to at least somewhat legimately point out that he *finally* got it. As opposed to the way it really did shake down where he wasnt able to get this team into the endzone any more in the last dozen starts here as he was in his first dozen career starts.

That was his real undoing when it came to on the field.. regardless of the amount of help he may or may not have gotten from the defense anywhere along the way.

 

[Nors]

No evidence supports that VT pass attack is better serving the team.

So you are of the mind set group that Carter won ten games last season by himself and Vinny has lost four games this season by himself.

Brilliant.

I'm not going to say it a third time, our offense in 2003 was better served to winning games.

Bill as much said he made a mistake. Last year 4th in the league attempting to run the ball, this year 31st.

5-1
2-4

 

[MikeD17]

i really liked what rack had to say. also imani roshi and nors, motley.


RACK SAID ANYONE WHOS PLAYED COLLEGE SPORTS OR PRO KNOWS HOW CUTTING A TEAM LEADER CAN EFFECT THE TEAM.

I think people totally underestimate the importance of this statement .


There's little team unity, little chemistry and little morale on this team .


Roy williams said it himself .this week , we got to keep it together , or we'll be playing for kicks soon . this team is falling apart at the seams . and i think it makes perfect logical sense to assume the cutting of the team captian , starting qb and team leader has throw this team off a bit.


despite what weve been told....i think the cutting of carter hasnt sat to well with many of the players.

which the brown sugar info clearly indicates. you people can deny the evidence all you want, BUT YOU DONT KNOW THIS TEAM BETTER THEN THE ACTUAL PLAYERS SO GIVE ME A BREAK.

so many of you are caught up with stats.. and it seems its all you look at . the qb position involves so much more then that. its about leadership, confidence, able to direct a team, able to relate to the players and make them respond.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

and i think it makes perfect logical sense to assume the cutting of the team captian , starting qb and team leader has throw this team off a bit.

First off Carter was a team captain last season, the starting job was up for grabs and Parcells never hid that. He simply said Carter should have a leg up on the competition. Team leader? Youre kidding right?

I dont know brown sugar, I have seen her post a ton of times over the last couple of seasons. Some times her inside predictions were right, some times not. Drink the koolaid, Parcells obviousley thaught Carter wasnt worth the trouble. And there sure was no sign of support for Carter once he was dismissed. Players have left the team and didnt say a word. What would they have to lose?

 

[Mash]

So many People have brought Vinny in this discussion.....

Its not about who is better between Vinny and Carter......we can all see that Parcells has more faith in Vinny throwing the ball then Carter. Its not about if Carter had anything to do with the 10 victories last year.....many here thinks it was the defence that won those games.

It's all about the way Carter's release was handled..........how could it possiably hurt keeping a QB who was your starter last year....is young and has some experience....would of been in the same system 2 years in a row as your backup QB?

We are bascially playing players because we don't want to get Vinny hurt....all because we have no one behind him who is ready to play. If this year was about winning then you don't pull off moves like this.

Other moves also should be questioned......

It seemed like the team was a close knit club last year.....a young team growing together.

Now you have....Wiley,Ward,KJ...Vinny and EG as your starters and we can see none of them will be here for the long haul.

 

[LaTunaNostra]

Geez.

1) Brown Sugar's word is gold. I will believe her before ANY media clown, national or local. If she says a player or players, plural, played the karma card re Quincy, I'd stake Juke's life they did.

2) Of course she can't reveal names. I suspect we ain't talking the Roy Williamses here, much less the the Darren Woodsons. Every player has his own closer circle of friends, and just like the guy who got 86ed at the office, there will be varying degrees of regret over it. There were some players who you could easily tell loved Carter. I can think of two Parcells Guys in particular, tho I think they're both too sensible and experienced to hang anything on karma.

3) A lot of players use weed. Were I one of them, and by sheer luck, a quality masker, or precision timing, have managed to avoid the axe that fell on Q, I feel, kinda well, guilty. There but for fortune stuff. I may also feel threatened and resentful that axe could swing my way. Q becomes something of a martyr/folk hero to me. He was cut for my sins.

4) The team is losing. Players get over things faster when they're winning. There is nothing karmic that a few wins won't cure, including the loss of Quincy's brand of high times leadership.

5) Some folks will use Suge's anecdote to try to prove that Bill has "lost the team". You could see them coming.

 

[Nors]

i really liked what rack had to say. also imani roshi and nors, motley.


RACK SAID ANYONE WHOS PLAYED COLLEGE SPORTS OR PRO KNOWS HOW CUTTING A TEAM LEADER CAN EFFECT THE TEAM.

I think people totally underestimate the importance of this statement .


There's little team unity, little chemistry and little morale on this team .


Roy williams said it himself .this week , we got to keep it together , or we'll be playing for kicks soon . this team is falling apart at the seams . and i think it makes perfect logical sense to assume the cutting of the team captian , starting qb and team leader has throw this team off a bit.


despite what weve been told....i think the cutting of carter hasnt sat to well with many of the players.

which the brown sugar info clearly indicates. you people can deny the evidence all you want, BUT YOU DONT KNOW THIS TEAM BETTER THEN THE ACTUAL PLAYERS SO GIVE ME A BREAK.

so many of you are caught up with stats.. and it seems its all you look at . the qb position involves so much more then that. its about leadership, confidence, able to direct a team, able to relate to the players and make them respond.

The Carter haters are starting to fret. As we are 2-4 and the losses mount it is clear what the players are leaking is true. They won 10 games last year with Carter, and wanted him over 41 year old Vinny. Karma.


Bills levitra moment with the Pass happy VT attack was a mistake...........

 

[jimmy40]

i really liked what rack had to say. also imani roshi and nors, motley.


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A shocking development.

 

[Dallas]

I was not trying to stir up anything.

i just was curious.

HAHAHAHAH !!!

Fibber !! That's blatant bro. Wow !

 

[junk]

MAYBE, that with Quincy we relied more on the run and were more balanced. We were 7-2 last year. We are 2-4.

One fact ir irrefutable, VT at QB is not an upgrade so far. What was his record last season? Nice stats but no Wubuwahs

The team was going nowhere with Carter. It is going no where with VT. There are other factors here than QB play causing the poor play. The D is nowhere close to the level it was last year. The failed committment to the run as you noted.

I am glad QC is gone, but hope the team finds a QB soon.

What the heck is a Wubuwahs?

 

[Tio]

Is anyone else tired of seeing the q supporters ignore QC's level of play into their arguments?