Rivera Debate Begins Anew

[FLcowboy]

Canty and James are probably the only two players who might be lost in a 4-3...all the other could play the scheme fine

David

James was lost in the 3-4. That's no loss.

 

[VA Cowboy]

Don't forget coaching under Jim Johnson with Philly. He will understand pressure.

Yeah, he's played and coached with some great ones. I think we could do much worse.... in fact, we have.

 

[theogt]

I didnt see it that way, the players produced better than usual, but the looks were basically the same most of the time even the coaches said it wasnt anything different

Go back and watch it. We didn't blitz a significant amount, but it was clearly different, regardless of what the coaches say. The disguised pass-rush kept the Colts O-line guessing which probably helped the ends' performance.

 

[Hostile]

Yeah, he's played and coached with some great ones. I think we could do much worse.... in fact, we have.

Yeah, that is a fact.

 

[dbair1967]

What are you talking about?...

They held them to 2 FG's in the 2nd half and only 160 yards of offense after they gained 270 in the first half...

No adjustments?...

You gotta be kidding me...

This wasn't on Rivera and the defense...

He adjusted but Rex was a total flop...

Yeah we did learn something...

Rivera held a very good defense to 22 points because it took their offense 25 minutes between their 3rd and 4th first down...

I think you need to learn reading comprehension skills

I didnt blame Rivera...I actually defended him and said it was probably Lovie's fault more than Rivera...it WAS a bad game plan and they did play BAD defense

David

 

[Clove]

The Colts have a great OLIne (wish we had that) and a terriffic d-line that produces pressure (wish we had that)

 

[Tricky-22]

Your defense gives up only 22 points to the Colts, you should win that game.

 

[Mansta54]

He's gonna come to Dallas and wonder where the speed is.

We have plenty of speed on D....

 

[Royal Laegotti]

Put this into perspective, the Bears trail by 2 at half, they give up 13 points in the 2nd half to the Colts, and ya'll wanna get down of Rivera?

Get real fellas, your gonna give up yards and points to the Colts, but ya'll can blame that horrid offense of the Bears for losing that game, it was the achilles heel in this game that it was all year for the Bears, they have a prolific 2/3 of a team.

Bring on Rivera.

 

[Woods]

Your defense gives up only 22 points to the Colts, you should win that game.

Not with Grossman as your QB.

My God, he was awful. He couldn't even take a snap under center properly.

 

[Hunter71]

I think you need to learn reading comprehension skills

I didnt blame Rivera...I actually defended him and said it was probably Lovie's fault more than Rivera...it WAS a bad game plan and they did play BAD defense

David

Reading comprehension?...

You wrote a series of comments that didn't differentiate between Lovie or Rivera with the premise being we don't know anymore about him...

You make a blanket statement and I added facts to disprove them...

And how were you defending him?...

Stats prove otherwise that they did alter their gameplan in the 2nd half...

 

[Biggems]

they must have gotten the Tony Romo ball for Rex

 

[peplaw06]

I didnt say they could never beat a 34


But the Pats have owned them for years until now

Actually, that's exactly what you said.

34 always gives them fits

43 not so much

So we can agree your blanket statement was wrong.

 

[dbair1967]

Reading comprehension?...

You wrote a series of comments that didn't differentiate between Lovie or Rivera with the premise being we don't know anymore about him...

You make a blanket statement and I added facts to disprove them...

And how were you defending him?...

Stats prove otherwise that they did alter their gameplan in the 2nd half...

I said we dont know anything more or less about Rivera than we knew before the game...I said it was because its probably Lovie's defensive style and system...and that Lovie probably forced a more conservative scheme on him

I didnt say anything was Rivera's fault

do I need to draw you a picture?

David

 

[hank2k]

So everyone is on board with Bowles as DC then ???

 

[Hunter71]

I said we dont know anything more or less about Rivera than we knew before the game...I said it was because its probably Lovie's defensive style and system...and that Lovie probably forced a more conservative scheme on him

I didnt say anything was Rivera's fault

do I need to draw you a picture?

David

Interesting...

Didn't notice these comments about "Lovie's Defense" before the game...

But some how putting this defense in Lovie's lap and giving no credit to Rivera is "defending him"?...

Whatever...

 

[Chuck 54]

Fergi is a 3-4 NT, not a true 4-3 DT and who else plays DT with him? Spears? Stanley? You also have to move WAre. You have to move Akin back to outside backer. Canty has never played a 4-3.

I haven't seen him play much of a 3-4 either

Seriously, Ferguson is actually the worst of all our guys for DT...he has no mobility and no pass rush. I see Ratliff and Canty both playing DT...Canty has very much the build of a Leon Lett and you don't have to be 300 lbs to play DT in the 4-3...you need some guys like Glover who can penetrate.

 

[BigDFan5]

Actually, that's exactly what you said.



So we can agree your blanket statement was wrong.

No thats not what I said at all


"always gives them fits" does not mean they can never beat it

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I haven't seen him play much of a 3-4 either

Seriously, Ferguson is actually the worst of all our guys for DT...he has no mobility and no pass rush. I see Ratliff and Canty both playing DT...Canty has very much the build of a Leon Lett and you don't have to be 300 lbs to play DT in the 4-3...you need some guys like Glover who can penetrate.

are you serious? did you watch all the games where Ferg was collapsing the pocket? Ferg's job is to occupy 2 blockers and he does that very well

 

[peplaw06]

No thats not what I said at all


"always gives them fits" does not mean they can never beat it

So 38 points allowed = "giving them fits..." good to know.