Should we let Newman walk?

[AbeBeta]

you mean Manning signed the deal the Colts offered. Who's to say Romo doesnt want to test the free agent market and get more than Jerry is willing to pay?? I'd love to see Romo finish his career with the Cowboys, but let's not assume too much this early in the process.

Don't be silly. Jerry is going to pony up a great deal. You don't have to convince Jerry to overspend.

 

[dallasfan]

you mean Manning signed the deal the Colts offered. Who's to say Romo doesnt want to test the free agent market and get more than Jerry is willing to pay?? I'd love to see Romo finish his career with the Cowboys, but let's not assume too much this early in the process.

I actually quoted the wrong post, meant to quote this one

Originally Posted by abersonc
There is no way that Romo plays out his current deal this year.

You can't have the face of your franchise as a potential UFA at the end of the year. Midway through camp -- probably the week that someone from ESPN is spending time at TC -- Jerry will make a splash and announce Romo's new deal.

But if he has another pro-bowl year he'll be franchised if Jerry can't reach a deal.

 

[dallasfan]

True. However, Champ Bailey doesn't play in the slot like Newman does. Bailey stays outside close to the sidelines where he makes many plays. He's very good.

Newman plays multiple very fast receivers in the slot, and he plays them man to man. He plays them one on one in the middle of the field; therefore he has to play the entire field. Those receivers in the slot are speed demons, and they could break in any direction from the middle of the field. Newman may have help over the top at times, but you still have to play your man and shut him down. Newman's job description is more difficult than Champ Bailey's.

Champ Bailey will never be asked to shadow Steve Smith or Santana Moss all over the field, because Denver will shield Bailey from the responsibility.

Newman's man to man skills while playing in the slot differentiate Newman, not only from Bailey, but from every corner in the league. He is the best.

The media leads us to believe that there is some huge gap between Bailey and the rest of the corners in the league. This is simply not true. You can make an argument that Bailey is the best, but this imaginary gap between him and the rest of the league is a mirage.

Terence Newman, Ronde Barber, Asante Samuel, Lito Sheppard, Nate Clements, Rasheed Mathis, and Ty Law are corners that can all sit at the table and eat with Champ Bailey.

If you want to put him at the head of the table, that is fine. However, don't be like John Clayton and make the other elite corners in the league eat in a separate room.:starspin

Newman is probably my favorite player, but he's no Champ Bailey. Coverege wise, they're close (which I think was all you were trying to say), but Newman isn't elite b/c he doesn't get the ints

 

[28 Joker]

Newman saves points for the Dallas defense just like Aundrew Jones saves runs with his defense in centerfield.

You have to judge him by more than just interceptions. You have to look at things like: number of completions, YPC, Passes defensed, number of times thrown at, and the number of times he's had his man completely blanketed in the middle of the field or on the outside. You can only see the last thing by looking at the coaches film. Anthony Henry led the league in the number of times thrown at, and Terence Newman was the primary reason for that stat.

Remember in 2005, Santana Moss scored two TDs in the span of four minutes to beat Dallas and keep them out of the playoffs. In 2006, Newman didn't get a pick in that game, but he shut Moss down and Dallas won the game. Parcells made sure of it. Newman is a silent assassin; he can influence the outcome of the game without ever laying one hand on a football.

Newman had a pick in the playoff game, but Roy Williams knocked the ball out of his hands. The pass interference call on Newman was a joke, and that call changed field position and changed the game.

I would argue Newman is elite, and he deserves much more respect than he gets. I hope he keeps getting no respect, so he will keep playing with a chip on his shoulder.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Newman is a silent assassin

I like that a lot.

 

[VA Cowboy]

:laugh2:

And yet they still voted to keep you out.

And a fine decision on their part

 

[Achozen]

Newman saves points for the Dallas defense just like Aundrew Jones saves runs with his defense in centerfield.

You have to judge him by more than just interceptions. You have to look at things like: number of completions, YPC, Passes defensed, number of times thrown at, and the number of times he's had his man completely blanketed in the middle of the field or on the outside. You can only see the last thing by looking at the coaches film. Anthony Henry led the league in the number of times thrown at, and Terence Newman was the primary reason for that stat.

Remember in 2005, Santana Moss scored two TDs in the span of four minutes to beat Dallas and keep them out of the playoffs. In 2006, Newman didn't get a pick in that game, but he shut Moss down and Dallas won the game. Parcells made sure of it. Newman is a silent assassin; he can influence the outcome of the game without ever laying one hand on a football.

Newman had a pick in the playoff game, but Roy Williams knocked the ball out of his hands. The pass interference call on Newman was a joke, and that call changed field position and changed the game.

I would argue Newman is elite, and he deserves much more respect than he gets. I hope he keeps getting no respect, so he will keep playing with a chip on his shoulder.

Good post.

Yeah, I remember that. He also made a great tip which allowed Roy to get the INT.

 

[Jimz31]

Uhhhh....NO!

 

[jobberone]

If you could draft a CB as good as Newman would you let Newman walk?

No.

Only if you did not have the cap money available would you not resign him.

Nothing wrong with saving a buck but you can't be penny wise and pound foolish.

 

[dallasfan]

Interceptions don't tell the whole story, but do tell part of it. Elite CBs make interceptions. How many elite CBs get 1 int in a full season, in their prime? Deion, Woodson, Green, Champ, AWilliams and Law all would get more than 1 int.

 

[AdamJT13]

Interceptions don't tell the whole story, but do tell part of it. Elite CBs make interceptions. How many elite CBs get 1 int in a full season, in their prime? Deion, Woodson, Green, Champ, AWilliams and Law all would get more than 1 int.

Green and Williams both had seasons during their prime when they had only one interception, and the both went to the Pro Bowl with only one interception. Deion, Champ and Law all had seasons in their prime when they had only two interceptions. Deion, in fact, had only two each season for his first three years in Dallas.

Newman had four interception as a rookie, four in his second season and three in his third season. Considering that guys like Deion Sanders, Darrell Green, Champ Bailey, Aeneas Williams, etc., all had seasons with two or fewer interceptions during their prime, why would it be surprising that Newman had one, too?

 

[28 Joker]

Green and Williams both had seasons during their prime when they had only one interception, and the both went to the Pro Bowl with only one interception. Deion, Champ and Law all had seasons in their prime when they had only two interceptions. Deion, in fact, had only two each season for his first three years in Dallas.

Newman had four interception as a rookie, four in his second season and three in his third season. Considering that guys like Deion Sanders, Darrell Green, Champ Bailey, Aeneas Williams, etc., all had seasons with two or fewer interceptions during their prime, why would it be surprising that Newman had one, too?

I can't understand the logic of evaluating a corner's value based on interceptions alone. These things should matter just as much: number of completions against, YPC, number of times thrown at, TDs allowed, passes defensed, the number of times your partner was thrown at, and shutting your man down consistantly.

Champ Bailey plays more zone than Newman does, and he can use the sideline as another defender all of the time.

If Newman doesn't shut Steve Smith down in the three games that Dallas beat Carolina, Dallas loses all of them. This is just one example. Why do I have to keep arguing this point to Dallas Cowboys' fans? This is the second board that I have had to defend Newman. We shouldn't even be having this conversation.
:bang2:

 

[YosemiteSam]

I think we should trade him for a linbacker before his contract ends.

 

[DEZBRYANT x88x]

no way we shouldnt let newman go hes onw of the best in the NFL...i know he is going to want alot of money but i think hes worth it...

 

[tomson75]

Interceptions don't tell the whole story, but do tell part of it. Elite CBs make interceptions. How many elite CBs get 1 int in a full season, in their prime? Deion, Woodson, Green, Champ, AWilliams and Law all would get more than 1 int.

Green and Williams both had seasons during their prime when they had only one interception, and the both went to the Pro Bowl with only one interception. Deion, Champ and Law all had seasons in their prime when they had only two interceptions. Deion, in fact, had only two each season for his first three years in Dallas.

Newman had four interception as a rookie, four in his second season and three in his third season. Considering that guys like Deion Sanders, Darrell Green, Champ Bailey, Aeneas Williams, etc., all had seasons with two or fewer interceptions during their prime, why would it be surprising that Newman had one, too?

D'oh!

Dallasfan, you've caught the dreaded "hoof in mouth" disease!

I can't understand the logic of evaluating a corner's value based on interceptions alone. These things should matter just as much: number of completions against, YPC, number of times thrown at, TDs allowed, passes defensed, the number of times your partner was thrown at, and shutting your man down consistantly.

Champ Bailey plays more zone than Newman does, and he can use the sideline as another defender all of the time.

If Newman doesn't shut Steve Smith down in the three games that Dallas beat Carolina, Dallas loses all of them. This is just one example. Why do I have to keep arguing this point to Dallas Cowboys' fans? This is the second board that I have had to defend Newman. We shouldn't even be having this conversation.
:bang2:

You clearly present a more convincing argument then most on this topic...almost to a fault. You've no reason to be concerned, however, as we usually just let Adamjt13 do his thing whenever someone starts making stupid accusations or wild assumptions.

 

[burmafrd]

You can tell the UNINFORMED (polite term) fans when they think that INTs are what its all about. Almost as bad as those that think that if someone gets a lot of sacks but does nothing else he is as good as someone who does not get as many sacks, but does everything else well.

 

[juck]

T New will retire a cowboy and prove that he is maybe the best corner in the nfl.

 

[DallasEast]

Green and Williams both had seasons during their prime when they had only one interception, and the both went to the Pro Bowl with only one interception. Deion, Champ and Law all had seasons in their prime when they had only two interceptions. Deion, in fact, had only two each season for his first three years in Dallas.

Newman had four interception as a rookie, four in his second season and three in his third season. Considering that guys like Deion Sanders, Darrell Green, Champ Bailey, Aeneas Williams, etc., all had seasons with two or fewer interceptions during their prime, why would it be surprising that Newman had one, too?

It's been over 10 hours since Adam posted this... and yet, eduncan has not commented about it.

No "pass defense" quips.

No YouTube clips of Henry.

Nothing.

Nada.

How strange. I'm a little concerned. Should we start calling the hospitals? He may have read Adam's comment, thought of Rich Eisen and had a stroke. I'm genuinely worried here.



Thoughts?

 

[Zimmy Lives]

Okay, now that most of you have responded to this question as fans, how would you respond as the GM? Just curious.

 

[peplaw06]

Okay, now that most of you have responded to this question as fans, how would you respond as the GM? Just curious.

I think most of us are thinking of it as a GM would. He's a little older, but still only has 4 NFL seasons of wear on him. He's an elite cover corner... it's arguable where he fits, but he's easily Top 10, probably Top 5 no matter how you argue it.

Nate Clements is one year younger, has 2 more seasons of NFL wear on him and just signed an 8 year $80 million deal. I'd argue TNew is better than Nate, but again it's arguable.

And before you jump on the Clements contract as precedent, asking whether we should pay that much for TNew, remember this... Clements' contract only guarantees him $22 million. I don't think signing TNew has to break the bank, but if there's one guy I'd think about giving a huge contract on this team, it's be Ware first then TNew.