Situational awareness

[Seven]

I'm not sure its nitpicking...more of an observation...im sure he will learn from it....

We're not allowed to have observations.

Posters construe that for hate. Ridiculous, I know.

 

[joseephuss]

Yes. Ideally he stays in bounds and gets the first.

Of those two things what is more important? Staying in bounds or getting the 1st? This is not a trick question.

It's like you quoted me and didn't read my words. Here let me say them again..."Go out of bounds if you must. Getting the 1st is more important."

The 1st down is goal number 1. Keeping the clock moving is goal number 2. This is a remedial football lesson.

And Dak thought he accomplished both goals at the time. He didn't choose to keep the clock moving by sacrificing getting the first down. He was trying to do both.

 

[Clove]

It's okay to nitpick, but what I don't understand is this. People are calling him a rookie who's making rookie mistakes. He's 11-1 why? Because he makes FAR MORE good plays than bad. All QBs make mistakes, otherwise they'd be 11-1 right now. The guy is doing an excellent job, just shut up and be happy we're 11-1.

 

[bsbellomy]

It wasn't a mistake. He made the play and got the first down.

Just a technicality kept him from getting the 1st down due to giving himself up. And 99.9% of the time we pick up the first down, not fumble a snap. That was just a weird set of events.

Did anybody else have a *** moment when Collinsworth tried to circle Dak's shinbone and say that's where he was down? I've never once heard shin = down lol

 

[Nightman]

Yes. Ideally he stays in bounds and gets the first.

Of those two things what is more important? Staying in bounds or getting the 1st? This is not a trick question.

It's like you quoted me and didn't read my words. Here let me say them again..."Go out of bounds if you must. Getting the 1st is more important."

The 1st down is goal number 1. Keeping the clock moving is goal number 2. This is a remedial football lesson.

No, doing both is more important.........they still had 3rd down to get the yard

 

[Nightman]

Yes, the game doesn't end. But you use up all of the Vikes timeouts and can end the game with a single 1st down. In the scenario that happened...because of the missed 1st...we had a nail bitter ending (and I didn't cover >_<)

the Vikings actually wasted about 15-20 before they challenged and then still used a TO

all of that is worth the risk of getting the first and staying in bounds vs just getting the first

 

[Toruk_Makto]

And Dak thought he accomplished both goals at the time. He didn't choose to keep the clock moving by sacrificing getting the first down. He was trying to do both.

Yes. And that is why in my post I said...bad play...it was a mistake...we just have to be smarter next time. For someone reason @bkight13 tried to come at my neck.

No, doing both is more important.........they still had 3rd down to get the yard

Why do on 2nd down what you can leave for 3rd down....oh because you might fumble the snap...

 

[joseephuss]

Yes. And that is why in my post I said...bad play...it was a mistake...we just have to be smarter next time. For someone reason @bkight13 tried to come at my neck.


Why do on 2nd down what you can leave for 3rd down....oh because you might fumble the snap...

I don't think it was a bad play. A bad play is running out of bounds short of the first down in that situation. It could have been a better play, but it doesn't fall under the definition of "bad" in my opinion. Fumbling the snap on 3rd down was a bad play.

 

[Nightman]

Yes. And that is why in my post I said...bad play...it was a mistake...we just have to be smarter next time. For someone reason @bkight13 tried to come at my neck.


Why do on 2nd down what you can leave for 3rd down....oh because you might fumble the snap...

it is 2 extra plays with a better chance of converting another first down

rather have 3rd and 1 with 2 TOs
or 1st down with 3 TOs............you can still fumble the snap on first down

I would take scenario 1 every time

 

[CATCH17]

Rookie mistake. He will learn from it. He just started his slide a little early while trying to do the right thing.

We made a TON of stupid little mistakes that we can learn from this game. It was mostly the young guys too making the stupid mistakes.

It turned out perfect.. This game is a WIN/loss for me.

 

[pavalley]

Yes, the game doesn't end. But you use up all of the Vikes timeouts and can end the game with a single 1st down. In the scenario that happened...because of the missed 1st...we had a nail bitter ending (and I didn't cover >_<)

exactly, not likin that n the east coast

 

[pavalley]

We're not allowed to have observations.

Posters construe that for hate. Ridiculous, I know.

love the sig man..clints the man

 

[adamknite]

I'm pretty sure it's already been said but.... I am just about sure he thought he had the first down and was trying to stay inbounds to keep the clock going. It really wasn't a "rookie mistake" or boneheaded play or anything like that to me, it was just sort of one of those things that just happens. He was trying to do the right things 1. Get the first down 2. Protect himself by sliding and 3. stay in bounds... it just so happens that he was just a little short of the marker when he hit the turf. It happens, nobody can be 100% perfect 100% of the time.

 

[bsbellomy]

I thought this thread was going to be about Garrett's clock management right before halftime.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

I don't think it was a bad play. A bad play is running out of bounds short of the first down in that situation. It could have been a better play, but it doesn't fall under the definition of "bad" in my opinion. Fumbling the snap on 3rd down was a bad play.

Anytime you can pick up a first down in a close out the game situation...and you don't...because of an action you did...it's a bad play. A first down increase our win probability. Not picking it up decreased it.

It happens.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

it is 2 extra plays with a better chance of converting another first down

rather have 3rd and 1 with 2 TOs
or 1st down with 3 TOs............you can still fumble the snap on first down

I would take scenario 1 every time

You're entitled to your opinion. But you're wrong.

 

[pavalley]

Anytime you can pick up a first down in a close out the game situation...and you don't...because of an action you did...it's a bad play. A first down increase our win probability. Not picking it up decreased it.

It happens.

well said...and exactly my point from the beginning....

 

[Nightman]

You're entitled to your opinion. But you're wrong.

actually you are........you say the clock could be run out with the first and that is a lie

they had 2 TOs and the 2minute warning with 2:45 left

 

[Nightman]

well said...and exactly my point from the beginning....

you are both incorrect

Win Probability goes up one 3rd and 1 with 2:25 and 2 TOs
vs
1st and 10 with 2:45 and 3 TOs

they were not going to get another 1st down pounding EE into the line so you punt with 2:00 minutes left
they have a much better chance of getting a 3rd and 1 and then it would be 1st and 10 with 1 TO and 2:20 left

worst case they fumbled and punted with 2:20 left and 1 TO which is almost identical to TM's scenario

 

[joseephuss]

Anytime you can pick up a first down in a close out the game situation...and you don't...because of an action you did...it's a bad play. A first down increase our win probability. Not picking it up decreased it.

It happens.

That is your opinion. I think it was a good play, but not as good as it could have been. A bad play would have been to throw an interception, fumble the ball, throw an incompletion or run out of bounds nowhere near the first down marker. Or several other things that could have constituted a bad play. Narrowly missing gaining the 1st down there while staying in bounds is not a bad play. Could have been better if he accomplished both, but it is nit picky to say it was a bad play in my opinion.