Thank god we didn't draft Bosa

[Sydla]

Soooooo............... given the fact that the Cowboys rarely draft in the Top 5 and often have leverage over kids picked later in the first round, it's unclear if we had taken Bosa, would we be in the same situation? Would Jerry have wanted both provisions in Bosa's contract like he has with Elliott? Or is that just a negotiating starting point for him and he was pleasantly surprised that Elliott accepted a deal with both provisions given Jones probably would have budged on at least one of them?

 

[Nightman]

We would have never been in this situation if we drafted Bosa. Say what you will about Jerry, but the guy is a closer. No doubt in my mind he would have gotten the deal done.

DAL made Elliott sign the same the terms SD is offering......deferring 40% of his signing bonus AND including offset language.......so Bosa probably would not have signed......his Dad was a holdout in 1987 with MIA and Joey is just following in his Dad's footsteps(his Dad was a 1st round bust as a TE)

 

[dogunwo]

They just needed a client to go along on their crusade, preferably a meathead who can't see the bigger picture.

Bosa and his family probably fit that bill.

LOL

 

[big dog cowboy]

 

[BrassCowboy]

Not a Cowboys problem. Not going to lose any sleep over it.
I could care less about the Chargers or Bosa.

So tell us then, what is it that you do care less about?

 

[Doomsday101]

I have always said once a player signs a deal he should honor it and if he does not like the deal being offered then don't sign it. In the end if he fails to sign with SD it will cost him money since he could not even talk with another team until next year and re-enter the draft where he likely is going to fall out of the 1st rd.

 

[Sydla]

Or...you've taken the Chargers' statement as the absolute truth, without taking the time to understand Bosa's side of the argument...at all. Good job.

I don't know about Latin, but I think people have thought it through.

It was reported that Bosa wanted a contract either free of the offset provision or the deferred bonus provision. The Chargers dug in wanting both provisions and pointed to the Cowboys and Eagles signing Elliott and Wentz with both provisions in the contract as their support. The two sides wouldn't budge.

It appears, and yes, the Chargers could be lying, but it appears the Chargers have compromised on their signing bonus deferment stance by offering to pay him more signing bonus money in year one than any player in the last two drafts. Bosa is balking at that apparently.

Therefore, it calls into question how genuine the Bosa's were when they initially stated they would agree to one or the other provision. Appears now they want both provisions stricken from the contract.

 

[AbeBeta]

Near the end of this article. States that Wentz and Elliott have both provisions in this contract. This was actually the first time since 2012, that one of the 2nd, 3rd or 4th picks had both provisions in their contract.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...-diego-chargers-mess-holdout-contract-dispute

Does not speak to the details of the offsets or deferments - from what I've read previously the deferments are far longer and more extreme on the Chargers' deal

 

[Nightman]

That's incorrect. It is not standard to defer bonuses. Nor is offset language standard. That's something a small handful of teams try to shove down player's throats.

The Chargers also appear unwilling to move off of the inclusion of offset language in the contract, pointing to the fact that 29 of the 31 first-round draft picks in this year's draft have offset language in their contracts.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...gers-pull-offer-unsigned-draft-pick-joey-bosa

 

[AbeBeta]

All contracts are not fully guaranteed at all and those guys did get deferments so that is 0-2

All first round deals are fully guaranteed. Seriously dude. You don't know that?

 

[Nightman]

Does not speak to the details of the offsets or deferments - from what I've read previously the deferments are far longer and more extreme on the Chargers' deal

Just admit that you are 100% wrong on both counts....SD even upped the initial SB to 85%

 

[Sydla]

Does not speak to the details of the offsets or deferments - from what I've read previously the deferments are far longer and more extreme on the Chargers' deal

Nevertheless, both Wentz and Elliott have both provisions in their contracts, refuting an earlier point you made.

Further, the Chargers made a new offer last night that apparently included them backing off their earlier deferment language and would give Bosa more cash from his bonus than any player in the last two drafts. Bosa refused.

So either Bosa is thinking he should get everything he wants and has always thought that or at this point, he's just bitter at the Chargers that they've negotiated this way.

 

[Nightman]

All first round deals are fully guaranteed. Seriously dude. You don't know that?

you said ALL contracts, not first round contracts

 

[StarBoyz83]

If I'm chargers I let him go back Into next year's draft.

 

[RS12]

http://dal.247sports.com/Bolt/Report-Joey-Bosa-declines-San-Diego-Chargers-best-offer-46942556

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...-diego-chargers-mess-holdout-contract-dispute

 

[mattjames2010]

Man, could you imagine the meltdown here if Dallas was going through this with Bosa? I mean people here are already up in arms with Elliot not playing yet in preseason.

It wouldn't have happened here. Bosa would have gotten the money he wanted at the beginning.

People want to put this on Bosa, but I'm looking at the Chargers. Give the man his money or think about releasing, you chose to draft him and you knew the agency he worked for.

 

[Verdict]

Months later and people are still obsessed with Bosa hate. I don't get it.

If you were a Chargers fan how would you feel if you 3rd overall pick is refusing to sign an agreement that every other player, including Chargers players before him have signed? If he was a Cowboy I would be livid. He is already cutting against the grain on something that is obviously stock, or it would have been an issue long before now.

 

[Sydla]

It wouldn't have happened here. Bosa would have gotten the money he wanted at the beginning.

People want to put this on Bosa, but I'm looking at the Chargers. Give the man his money or think about trading, you chose to draft him and you knew the agency he worked for.

How do you know this? Elliott has both provisions in his contract that Bosa is now balking at.

And at first, I put this on the Chargers. However, in fairness, the Chargers have precedent here now............ Wentz at #2 and Elliott at #4 signed the exact deals the Chargers want Bosa to sign. So it's not like the Chargers just pulled that out of their butt.

If in fact they offered last night to pay him more of his signing bonus in year one compared to any rookie in the last two drafts, it's kind of hard to not start looking at Bosa and wonder if he really wanted to compromise but instead wanted everything in his contract.

 

[Verdict]

They can't trade him this season.
And then, if he goes unsigned, he re-enters the draft.

Why do you think they can't trade him this season? Didn't the Chargers trade Eli after they drafted him?

 

[Sydla]

Why do you think they can't trade him this season? Didn't the Chargers trade Eli after they drafted him?

I think there is a window the league allows you to trade the rights of a pick. I think that window is long passed.