The next guy who blames T.O

[odog422]

Fair enough. He gets paid to do one thing. Catch anything you can touch. And I DO believe that if you're a pro, a TOP-TIER highly paid pro, you should catch anything you touch.

Exactly. Funny thing is, as much as he talks about what happens when he gets the ball, not once has he acknowledged he needs to do a better job catching it.

But again, anytime I hear the "me-me-me" from T.O., it's, 100% of the time", born from his desire to win. And he's correct that, on the short list of reasons for Dallas being able to win, he understands that HIM getting the ball helps a ton. Arrogant? Perhaps. Cocky? Yeah, maybe. But he's dead on right. "Get me the ball, and it ain't gonna' hurt our chances of winning".
That's what I hear "between the lines" when he goes off on one of his tirades...................

So if it's all about winning, why do the interview with Sanders saying he needs the ball more and he's not getting it enough...WHEN WE JUST WON? If he was really about winning he wouldn't have anything to say.

 

[Va_BoysFan4 Life]

We got him the ball 6 times yesterday. Did we win?

It's surprising and amazing that you guys don't get it.

Do you think maybe that Romo can't get T.O. the ball because he's under immense pressure?

Do you think maybe he doesn't get the ball because he's not open?

Naaahhh!

It's as simple as getting T.O. the ball, and we win.

No we don't always win...............however was any of the interceptions Romo throw in the Phillie game directed at him. Did he fumble any of the balls during the Phillie game. No he did not.

 

[5Countem5]

So we got T.O. and a couple other "sideways" guys who don't wanna' play nice or play by the rules. Welcome to the modern age of professional sports.

Your post is dead-on but the the statement that these things are in the least bit new is wrong. It's been going since there were egos , it's just with the advent of the internet- we see and hear everything now.

The media is also focused on bringing it out now- which used to not happen either.

These things make these problems seem worse.

 

[5Countem5]

Exactly. Funny thing is, as much as he talks about what happens when he gets the ball, not once has he acknowledged he needs to do a better job catching it.



So if it's all about winning, why do the interview with Sanders saying he needs the ball more and he's not getting it enough...WHEN WE JUST WON? If he was really about winning he wouldn't have anything to say.

And just what do you hope to accomplish with your TO rants this morning?

 

[Dave_in-NC]

And just what do you hope to accomplish with your TO rants this morning?

We feel better, same as you owens butt kissers.

Happy New Year five.

 

[khiladi]

I never said "majority," so your critique is baseless.

Actually, no it isn't... you were trying to give th impression that it was common, when it is not...

And even then, that very 'group' you claim thrives includes the Dalls Cowboys...

 

[5Countem5]

We feel better, same as you owens butt kissers.

Happy New Year five.

You too.

As a resolution, you should try "I won't believe every negative story about TO being sold by people who know I will tune in and up their ratings if they say something negative about TO"

 

[Dave_in-NC]

You too.

As a resolution, you should try "I won't believe every negative story about TO being sold by people who know I will tune in and up their ratings if they say something negative about TO"

:laugh2:

Only if your is ... I know not every report on owens is a lie.

 

[5Countem5]

:laugh2:

Only if your is ... I know not every report on owens is a lie.

I'm sticking with the one I took when he got here (and I didn't want him)...

I will have an open mind and give him the benefit of the doubt until I have PROOF* he needs to go.

* Proof means something I see or is confirmed by members of the organization. Editorial columns and comments and ESPN teasers are not proof.



It's served me well to this point.

 

[khiladi]

Uh...you must have forgotten Rich Gannon screaming at Bill Calahan. Jerry Rice screaming at Steve Mariucci. Steve Young screaming at Marc Trestman. Michael Irvin and Troy Aikman screaming at multiple people. Phil Simms screaming at Bill Parcells.

Maybe this video will give you a revelation. Happy New Year.

http://media.putfile.com/Double-Standard-Depicted-Beautifully

How often are clear facts ignored in the course of rhetoric... You forgot to add Steve Smith yelling at any and everybody, coaches included, on the sidelines...

 

[lewpac]

Your post is dead-on but the the statement that these things are in the least bit new is wrong. It's been going since there were egos , it's just with the advent of the internet- we see and hear everything now.

The media is also focused on bringing it out now- which used to not happen either.

These things make these problems seem worse.

Oh, I know that there's been good and bad, right and wrong, shady folk and decent folk ever since Cain did in Able. But I disagree with you on the volume and pitch and amount of it with relation to past days.
The coarsening of society, just plain old "flipping the bird" at social contracts and decorum has been in the fast lane ever since the '60's. The generation that adopted "if it feels good, do it","the hell with family, the hell with conventional wisdom, the hell with this country, the hell what YOU think about me", etc..............I maintain is a pretty new situation given the history of mankind.
And before someone tells me to "take it to the political threads", this is EXTREMELY relevant to this discussion about T.O. and the like.
Before Muhammad Ali un-corked this genie from the bottle, I can't name ONE athlete who "carried on", bragged, yelled and hollered about how wonderful he was, etc..........No dig on Ali, because he backed it up. But still, there may have been someone who expressed himself with such a cocky flare before him, but I can't name a single one. Nowadays, it's rampant. It's expected. You're surprised if they DON'T do a "sack dance" or celebrate like it's the Fourth of July after every first down. Chest thumping, "in your face" stuff, and an "I don't give a crap what you think" attitude about such behavior.
So THAT, it's only about 30 or so years old,and that's relatively new in annuls of mankind.
Take it to T.O., Chad Johnson, Deionne Sanders, and a host of others who are known primarily for this behavior. You NEVER saw ANYTHING like this from Cowboys of the 60's-70's (just a little from Hollywood Henderson, but even that was mild compared to any defensive end today). The Celtics of the 60's-70's? Wouldn't even think of it. Never saw any of it from the Steelers of the 70's either.
Nowadays, you could be Chad Johnson, playing on a 3-13 team, and carry on after every first down as if he just won an Oscar.
T.O. has not been exempt from this temptation, that's for sure. But I repeat, it's the "deal with the devil" that EVERY Pro sports team in EVERY major sport has to deal with, because it's unavoidable nowadays...........unlike in the past.

 

[Rackat]

I enjoyed TO when he was with the 49es and Eagles. He was their distraction. It was fun to watch their fans defend his talent. It's not so much fun to watch Cowboys' fans defend his talent.

I think he is/was a great reciever. I just don't think he is the "one thing" we need to win a Championship. Either way it would not make a difference to me whether he is a Cowboy or plays for someone else.

 

[DallasEast]

I respect your sentiments, and I don't want any "problem children" either. I've been a fan since I was 4 years old in 1964. I would love to have a team full of Roger Staubachs and Randy White's and Troy Aikmans and Lee Roy Jordans. I would love to have team with Church going boy scouts who love their God and country and, stay married to the same gal and raise goody-goody kids.
But the reality, in this time, is anything but THAT, and we all know it. These young kids, many of them from broken family's, raised in troubling situations but somehow have skills....................the get a pass through college, get drafted, and bring a lot of undisciplined and immoral and unethical behavior with them.
Thats the "deal with the devil" state of Pro Sports now, and has been for a couple decades. There's no going back and nothing that can be done about it. Every team, NFL, MLB and NBA, everyones gotta' deal with this reality.
So we got T.O. and a couple other "sideways" guys who don't wanna' play nice or play by the rules. Welcome to the modern age of professional sports.
The Dallas Cowboys aren't exempt from this relatively new phenomena.

Your argument is beating itself up.

Parents of trouble children deal with their kids' misbehavior (hopefully) because they love them, but that doesn't mean that they LIKE them 24/7. Now, let's use your real life example to this real life example:

• Terrell Owens, disturbed or not, is an adult and not a child
• Terrell Owens is getting paid millions of dollars to play football and not knowingly be a disruption. Troubled kids are lucky to be paid in Cracker Jacks and usually haven't received the necessary counseling and/or wisdom of growing up yet to cope with their inner demons.
• While he will always be someone's child, Terrell Owens only had one set of birth parents and a loving grandmother (I believe). One or all had to deal with him, just as parents of trouble children must do the same. Neither I and every other fan of the 49ers, Eagles and/or Cowboys were ever his mother, father, etc., nor is it required.

Any comparison you attempt to make will fall short of making it a valid argument. Terrell Owens is what he is. It can't be changed and no one has to "like" him to acknowledge him.

In a zero-sum world of Pro Sports, I'll deal with T.O. He brings enough to the table to tolerate his shenanigans. If it's not him, it would someone else anyway..............................

That's a poor comment. Every NFL player, especially every wide receiver, doesn't act like Terrell Owens (or at least not publicly). There are nearly 2,000 players in the NFL and while some are at or near his level, it's a very, very small minority.

If they were huge or even average numbers Owens' clones running loose in the NFL, every media reporter, anchor and/or network wouldn't have time to even mention games. They would simply talk about the nonsense that these players would be constantly engaged in. The fact of the matter is that most players do not act like Terrell Owens. They do their jobs without intentionally creating attention-grabbing tactics which prompts the media to affix their spotlight on them so that they can either capture the tiniest bit of misbehavior or sensationalize "what ifs" to feed their viewing/listening/reading public.

While no fan has to accept Owens for being who he is since it is totally unnecessary, it would be considerate of others to respect that personal right. Maybe if folks stopped throwing around statements such as, "Everybody must love or like Terrell Owens" or "Everybody must dislike or hate Terrell Owens", maybe... just maybe... EVERYONE would enjoy their t-e-a-m a whole lot more, but, of course, that is a true pipe dream, ain't it?

 

[mmillman]

T.O. is a cancer

 

[lewpac]

We're going back 'n' forth in unending conversation.
My conclusion (and I'm entitled to this), is that NOBODY in Cowboy Country liked anything that had to do with T.O. before he became a Cowboy.
After he was brought aboard, only two kinds of people exist:
Those who didn't like him, but now understand that he's a part of my favorite team, so at least try to see the good and "let's see".
And those who didn't like him, and never will like him no matter what. Minds made up. End of story. I don't want to talk about it..............

He's been one of the best receivers in the league for a decade now, if not THE best. Certainly, he's the best receiver we've had since The Playmaker.
He's going to get into the H.O.F. based on the body of work he's accumulated already. There are no criminal, ethical or moral problems to give H.O.F. voters legit pause. There's no "nine kids from eight different women", no gambling, guns or drugs.

I and others chose to embrace any player who wears the Star and produces. Others are just looking for something wrong, keep his past fresh and in his face, and don't want to see that what he brings to the table is worth whatever menial chatter he dishes out.
If we we're talking about PacMan Jones here, I'd agree with everything you're saying. Jones DOES have criminal problems, is a major distraction, and produced nothing. In fact, he hurt our efforts to win this year. I have no use for him, because it's justified with regard to the "investment-return" agenda. Get him outta' here...................

But to visit Terrell Owens with anything close that perfectly justifiable disposition toward PacMan Jones, I think is not only utterly unfair, but ridiculous. Not that you've compared Jones to Owens, so don't bite my head off. It's just that if this conversation was about Jones, I would understand the level of disdain and dislike of the player a lot easier. The level of dismissivness, and the speed at which folks want to get rid of him, and going right for the "T.O. jugular" with no consideration of my sentiments, I don't get that.................

 

[The Curly One]

I enjoyed TO when he was with the 49es and Eagles. He was their distraction. It was fun to watch their fans defend his talent. It's not so much fun to watch Cowboys' fans defend his talent.

I think he is/was a great reciever. I just don't think he is the "one thing" we need to win a Championship. Either way it would not make a difference to me whether he is a Cowboy or plays for someone else.

This is not about TO's ability as a receiver it is about him being a Cancer to the team concept. No team will ever win the big one with a cancer like TO. Period. This is about whether his talent is worth the distractions and problems he brings to the table. Some players just bring their talent, ability and desire to win to the table. TO brings baggage and problems along with his talent. I do not care about the baggage if it is left behind but the problems got to go and he is a problem. No matter how good he is he is a constant distraction and people are more worried about what he will say or do next than how to pull together as a team to win. The apologists, lovers and haters of TO are all trying to spin it how ever they want but the fact remains he is a distraction and a problem much bigger than his "Talent" or Ego.
Just like on this very forum it is the same in the locker room. Everyone is constantly thinking is the distractions, side show (freak show) worth the problems? I say it is not, cut the cancer.
I do not understand why Jerry even lets him have press conferences after the game. You know he is going to say something stupid, blame others or cause trouble yet you put him on TV? Not only that putting him on TV just builds his Ego even more! The bigger his ego gets the worse it is.
The mere fact that we are wasting time discussing the useless pile of excrement instead of trying to determine why we lost last week should tell you something. The players spend too much time being sucked into his antics when they should have been working on a game plan for Philty.

 

[5Countem5]

This is not about TO's ability as a receiver it is about him being a Cancer to the team concept. No team will ever win the big one with a cancer like TO. Period. This is about whether his talent is worth the distractions and problems he brings to the table. Some players just bring their talent, ability and desire to win to the table. TO brings baggage and problems along with his talent. I do not care about the baggage if it is left behind but the problems got to go and he is a problem. No matter how good he is he is a constant distraction and people are more worried about what he will say or do next than how to pull together as a team to win. The apologists, lovers and haters of TO are all trying to spin it how ever they want but the fact remains he is a distraction and a problem much bigger than his "Talent" or Ego.
Just like on this very forum it is the same in the locker room. Everyone is constantly thinking is the distractions, side show (freak show) worth the problems? I say it is not, cut the cancer.
I do not understand why Jerry even lets him have press conferences after the game. You know he is going to say something stupid, blame others or cause trouble yet you put him on TV? Not only that putting him on TV just builds his Ego even more! The bigger his ego gets the worse it is.
The mere fact that we are wasting time discussing the useless pile of excrement instead of trying to determine why we lost last week should tell you something. The players spend too much time being sucked into his antics when they should have been working on a game plan for Philty.

Oh sorry ..none of us wanted to get in your way of figuring out what is wrong with the team. Please proceed...toot sweet!

Interestingly, you admit To isn't the problem though...

 

[DallasEast]

Others are just looking for something wrong, keep his past fresh and in his face, and don't want to see that what he brings to the table is worth whatever menial chatter he dishes out.

"Keep his past fresh". Hmm... Okay.

• Let's remove totally (period) unnecessarily negative media attention grabbing nonsense he created for himself while in a San Francisco uniform from the equation. It's old. It's not fresh.
• Likewise, let's remove similar mess which he initiated while in Philadelphia. It's old. It's not fresh.

Two questions.

First question.

Is November 2008 fresh or old? That's when the Deion Sanders interview, which was a totally (period) unnecessarily negative media attention grabbing bit of nonsense, was conducted.

Second question.

Who was responsible for allowing that totally (period) unnecessarily negative media attention grabbing bit of nonsense?

At the time of Deion Sanders interview, it was estimated that the world's population was estimated to be 6,700,000,000 people. I'll give anyone 6,699,999,999 guesses as to who was responsible, but in truth, there is only ONE true answer and that's the one person who continually keeps his own past freshly redundant.

 

[5Countem5]

"Keep his past fresh". Hmm... Okay.

• Let's remove totally (period) unnecessarily negative media attention grabbing nonsense he created for himself while in a San Francisco uniform from the equation. It's old. It's not fresh.
• Likewise, let's remove similar mess which he initiated while in Philadelphia. It's old. It's not fresh.

Two questions.

First question.

Is November 2008 fresh or old? That's when the Deion Sanders interview, which was a totally (period) unnecessarily negative media attention grabbing bit of nonsense, was conducted.

Second question.

Who was responsible for allowing that totally (period) unnecessarily negative media attention grabbing bit of nonsense?

At the time of Deion Sanders interview, it was estimated that the world's population was estimated to be 6,700,000,000 people. I'll give anyone 6,699,999,999 guesses as to who was responsible, but in truth, there is only ONE true answer and that's the one person who continually keeps his own past freshly redundant.

And, remind me of the mantra, TO talks and the rest of the Cowboys ball up into the fetal position and refuse to block and tackle. They get "distracted" ( just like the fans) and can't play because they hang on his every word.

I think that's how this stupid song goes...

 

[DallasEast]

And, remind me of the mantra, TO talks and the rest of the Cowboys ball up into the fetal position and refuse to block and tackle. They get "distracted" ( just like the fans) and can't play because they hang on his every word.

I think that's how this stupid song goes...

5Countem5.

Who do you believe was responsible for being involved in a totally unnecessary media event which drew totally unnecessary attention to the team?