The West Virginia Overdose Epidemic

[Rockport]

To argue that prescription/opioid drug abuse is the same as alcohol is silly. You can't really compare the two.

Sure you can. Both lead to self-destruction.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Pretty sensitive aren't you?

Maybe I need pills

 

[Trouty]

How does a will handle your kids? I mean, you can leave as much money and property behind as you want but there is no replacing parents in a kids life. JMO

Amen, ABQ. Amen.

 

[65fastback2plus2]

Mine is and I still have a problem with your short-sighted view. The vast majority of users don't just "destroy themselves", they damage a wide swath of people around them who care about them or depend on them.

Additionally, do you think that all of them have the means to fund their habit?..... for their entire lives? From the crime that is committed to the cost and use of additional resources from a public safety standpoint to just everyday events, peoples' drug use affects most of, if not all of us. Try to buy cold medicine lately?

You're talking about your perceived damage to the people around them. Show me actual physical hard damage.

Everyone is responsible for their own safety, so there shouldnt be any additional public safety cost.

 

[65fastback2plus2]

How does a will handle your kids? I mean, you can leave as much money and property behind as you want but there is no replacing parents in a kids life. JMO

A will transfers physical oversight authority upon the will makers death.

Think about it like this...if the parents are such that they're willing to get blitzed out of their mind on some drug and risk death...is that who should be raising a child anyhow?

A horrific parent and no parent are pretty much the same thing. I dont view them any differently.

 

[65fastback2plus2]

Alcohol can be just as bad for an individual to ruin a family as heroin or oxycontin or meth.

It all depends on if the person can control alcohol or not. If that individual is an alcoholic...it can be just as bad and in some cases worse because it is easier to buy.

For most people alcohol is not an issue. They drink, they are responsible, they blow off some steam and move on.

For some Alcohol ruins their lives and those around them, is responsible for a HUGE amount of violence, medical problems and death.

That is some kind of argument he thinks that I was making that Alcohol is ok while everything else is bad...which is not what I was saying.

ANY of these drugs can be bad for an individual and those around them if they are controlling their lives...it is rarely a situation where one person ruins themselves without it taking a toll on others.

And again...still waiting for you to condemn ability to buy alcohol and call for prohibition on the alcohol epidemic.

 

[65fastback2plus2]

I have a niece that was murdered by two idiots that broke into her apartment looking for drugs. They had the wrong apartment. Three days after her college graduation.

And?

http://fox13now.com/2017/03/13/poli...-family-home-kills-toddler-great-grandmother/

 

[65fastback2plus2]

The addictive properties of opioids, coupled with the ease by which people obtain them from unethical practitioners makes the opioid crisis far different than alcohol. The matter is made worse when a "good" practitioner prescribes opiates for relatively minor surgical procedures which can lead to addiction by an otherwise "normal" individual.

Opiate addiction is on a whole different level. I'm not minimizing alcoholism, but overcoming an opiate addiction is rarely done by attending anonymous meetings or by using support groups. Tack on the rate of overdose deaths and it's just a whole different issue.

This is not accurate.

Its easy to find the statistics for this stuff too:

Compare:

Opioid use disorders resulted in 51,000 worldwide deaths in 2013 up from 18,000 deaths in 1990.

vs.

• In 2012, 3.3 million deaths, or 5.9 percent of all global deaths (7.6 percent for men and 4.0 percent for women), were attributable to alcohol consumption

51,000 or 3,300,000? Seems pretty clear.

 

[haleyrules]

Maybe he works at the CowboyZone. Lol

In the beer thread...

 

[haleyrules]

I have a niece that was murdered by two idiots that broke into her apartment looking for drugs. They had the wrong apartment. Three days after her college graduation.

GD Coach!

 

[65fastback2plus2]

Where did the drugs come from and how many people suffered to get them there.

That number would be 0 if some certain entity wasnt involved. see exhibit a: prohibition

 

[Silver Surfer]

And?

http://fox13now.com/2017/03/13/poli...-family-home-kills-toddler-great-grandmother/

And? ..... he's not making the argument that nobody gets hurt other than the drug users themselves.... you are.

 

[DFWJC]

To argue that prescription/opioid drug abuse is the same as alcohol is silly. You can't really compare the two.

100% true if you take what you said at exact face value without any further assumptions.

You said prescription/opioid drug abuse vs just plain old alcohol (no abuse mentioned).

Take out the addiction part and it makes it not even a comparison.
People that are disagreeing with you are adding to your comment something you did not say.

 

[DFWJC]

I have a niece that was murdered by two idiots that broke into her apartment looking for drugs. They had the wrong apartment. Three days after her college graduation.

That's horrible, coach.

 

[Silver Surfer]

You're talking about your perceived damage to the people around them. Show me actual physical hard damage.

Everyone is responsible for their own safety, so there shouldnt be any additional public safety cost.

No blood, no foul right? Are you denying the existence of psychological and emotional trauma? Are you saying that financial hardship caused by the addict's drug use, incarceration, or death is not real damage to people who depend on them?

You state "everyone is responsible for their own safety". Using your logic, should I conclude we should eliminate the police department? Why stop there? How about the military? Coast Guard? How about traffic control devices like stop signs and street lights? What about those who can't defend themselves like the very young, handicapped or elderly? Are they on their own?

There's a difference between between libertarianism and foolishness. I'm not sure you've found it yet.

 

[haleyrules]

100% true if you take what you said at exact face value without any further assumptions.

You said prescription/opioid drug abuse vs just plain old alcohol (no abuse mentioned).

Take out the addiction part and it makes it not even a comparison.
People that are disagreeing with you are adding to your comment something you did not say.

Yep. I had a conversation recently with a good friend about Drs. passing out drugs, they know nothing about, for diseases they know even less about. Instead of trying to get to the root of ailments its much easier and profitable to simply hand out drugs.

 

[DFWJC]

Yep. I had a conversation recently with a good friend about Drs. passing out drugs, they know nothing about, for diseases they know even less about. Instead of trying to get to the root of ailments its much easier and profitable to simply hand out drugs.

I keep hearing it's not that unusual.
My sister and nephew are family doctors and they really hate being associated with that type of stuff. People come to them and just expect to get what they want because someone else always gave it to them.
They refuse to go down that road.
Good for them, but I bet it gets dicey sometimes when someone "needs" a refill badly.

 

[haleyrules]

I keep hearing it's not that unusual.
My sister and nephew are family doctors and they really hate being associated with type of stuff. People come to them and just expect to get what they want because someone else always did it. The refuse to go down that road.
Good for them, but I bet it gets dicey sometimes when someone "needs" a refill badly.

Yep. I live down south and can't speak to this issue in the US. I have chronic shoulder pain and used to go Doctors here...heck, they wouldn't even manipulate or take an image...just say, you'er not so young so l will write a perscription and ease that discomfort...I would say Thanks Doc...walk out...tear up that note and start over...booze is bad enough, don't need to add opiates to that!.

 

[DFWJC]

Yep. I live down south and can't speak to this issue in the US. I have chronic shoulder pain and used to go Doctors here...heck, they wouldn't even manipulate or take an image...just say, you'er not so young so l will write a perscription and ease that discomfort...I would say Thanks Doc...walk out...tear up that note and start over...booze is bad enough, don't need to add opiates to that!.

So to the tavern it is!

So what's up with the shoulder area? Rotator cuff possibly? Boxing injury?

I had some bursitis issues with my shoulder 20 many years ago, but it was after going on a long stretch of days surfing (paddling).
terrible pain. Long gone now though.

 

[haleyrules]

So to the tavern it is!

So what's up with the shoulder area? Rotator cuff possibly? Boxing injury?

I had some bursitis issues with my shoulder 20 many years ago, but it was after going on a long stretch of days surfing (paddling).
terrible pain. Long gone now though.

Its both shoulders...combination of things l suppose..age, work, sports!! Its so bad at night that its hard to sleep! Yrs ago l would get cortisone injections...but that would only work for a few days! Now, its aspirins and melatonin. (Booze)