This Is the reason you don't pay RBs Big Money

[Doomsday101]

In an ideal world I'll take Murray and our OL... and Dez. However, I live in the real world. There is a thing called a salary cap. Murray is easier to replace than Dez.

People, stop comparing Emmitt to Murray. Its embarrassing.

By the way, Randle is averaging 6.3 ypc this year. Before someone (you know who you are) tries to put words in my mouth... no I'm not saying that means he's as good as Murray. Im only pointing out that our backup RB has seen success this year, unlike the backups during Emmitt's era.

We live in the real world as well not just you, no one is saying break the bank for Murray and sure as hell would not want to see it broken for Dez either. Yes there is a cap we all get that still does not mean you can't deal with players.

 

[Wayne02]

One doesn't have to dispute this in order to address your original comment: one only has to dispute whether he is one of the most valuable players on this team going forward.

Well, people will bring up injury concerns when talking about Murray going forward, but as far as productivity going forward, I can't see why Murray's production would drop off, especially with this O-line. If Randle or Dunbar had to carry the load, I don't think we would see the same kind of balance.

 

[MissouriCowboy]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derrick_Lassic
LOL forgot about him

 

[8FOR!3]

Everybody's saying running backs can be found mid round in the draft, but you're not getting someone with Murray's size, talent, and power past the second round past dumb luck. (Carlos Hyde, Jeremy Hill, Eddie Lacy 2013.)

 

[Denim Chicken]

Its mostly the line, by far.

He was running well before the revamped line. All those who continue to doubt Murray are continually proven wrong.

 

[John813]

Murray has never really had an issue getting yards consistently.
Not like his YPC is a lot higher than previous years, it's lower.

My main issue with Murray is durability. While he's not on Lee's level of injuries, can't have another big contract guy under-performing/or in a t-shirt on sundays.

 

[ConstantReboot]

I pay Murray before Dez... I like Dez, but he doesn't take games over like Murray can. The scary thing is if we sign Dez to big money Romo only has about 3 years left and we have to groom another QB. What is better for a young QB to have a RB or a WR.

Same here. I would pay Murray first and foremost before anything else than Dez. Murray ads another component to this offense. Dez doesn't. Sure he's a great receiver. But he doesn't put 8 man in the box or changes a defenses gameplan in order to stop him. Plus Murray compliments Romo and makes him a bus driver. Thats just my opinion.

 

[ConstantReboot]

Then why did we bother upgrading the OL if he was doing so well? LOL

We upgraded the OL because of Romo - we needed to protect him and give him more time to throw. Do you want to live in the dark ages again when we had the Costas and the Arkins protecting Romo?

 

[ConstantReboot]

Murray has never really had an issue getting yards consistently.
Not like his YPC is a lot higher than previous years, it's lower.

My main issue with Murray is durability. While he's not on Lee's level of injuries, can't have another big contract guy under-performing/or in a t-shirt on sundays.

That surely should be factored in during contract negotiations. It should have a play to pay clause. You don't play, we don't pay.

 

[theogt]

Yeah, let's let the guy leading the league in rushing walk away in free agency. Has that ever happened before?

And let go with RB's who can't pass block a lick, remember where that got us with Romo?

Let's value his services about the same as the Titans value Shonn Greene, he better take that../sarcasm.

Pay him upwards of $6.5m a year, depending if he completes the year healthy.

Shanahan and Denver comes to mind. Not sure if he ever had the leading rusher, but he had the O-line and scheme to just plug and play with any back.

I like Murray. I think he's an extremely good running back. I would love to see him play here for the next 5+ years. But if we give him a big contract, we will regret it almost immediately, and will be blaming Jerry by the 3rd year of his contract if not earlier.

 

[Idgit]

I'm a huge fan of Murray's production. And of his personality and role on this team. I'm very leery of extending him because of both his age and his likely expense at this point. Not sure what I'd do if I thought we could likely get his current production over the length of his next contract, but I think the chances are pretty good that we cannot, no matter what we pay him.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/07/16/age-of-decline-rb1/


I realize this is fantasy output and that fantasy football is silly, but it still is a measure of a RBs production by age. There are a lot of anecdotal studies out there that suggest 27-28 is about the age that production starts to really dip at this position in the NFL. In principle, I'm not paying a guy peak money for his position at a point where the actuarial table says his play is about to dip significantly. It's tough to say with a straight face when he's playing so well, but you don't pay age, and the fact is that RBs age in dog-years in this league. I think you have to make him a team-friendly offer and be prepared for the likelihood that he's going to walk.

 

[Blackspider214]

I guess the question we have to ask is how much of this is Murray and how much is the OL? That could be answered if we give Dunbar and Randle carries to spell Murray. But he has good vision and can hit the holes. Just because the holes are there does not mean every RB will have that vision to hit those correctly.

Also, the whole contract year mentality is in play. Too many times in sports you see players fall way off after they get that fat contract.

Trevor Ariza in the NBA is a big example of this.

 

[lostar2009]

Another one of these I want peformance but dont wanna pay threads. Murray has been a good back for us since he been drafted. I wouldn't pay him 10 mill a season but around 5 mill because he is an above average starter. It was the same with Marion Barber, we over paid for him, his market value at the time was around 30 mill but we spent 40. Barber had a particular style JJ like so he dish out the extra ponies. But to say pay Murray 3 mill a season is a direct insult to this guy and his whole body of work.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I'm a huge fan of Murray's production. And of his personality and role on this team. I'm very leery of extending him because of both his age and his likely expense at this point. Not sure what I'd do if I thought we could likely get his current production over the length of his next contract, but I think the chances are pretty good that we cannot, no matter what we pay him.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/07/16/age-of-decline-rb1/


I realize this is fantasy output and that fantasy football is silly, but it still is a measure of a RBs production by age. There are a lot of anecdotal studies out there that suggest 27-28 is about the age that production starts to really dip at this position in the NFL. In principle, I'm not paying a guy peak money for his position at a point where the actuarial table says his play is about to dip significantly. It's tough to say with a straight face when he's playing so well, but you don't pay age, and the fact is that RBs age in dog-years in this league. I think you have to make him a team-friendly offer and be prepared for the likelihood that he's going to walk.

It's not silly at all.

It's how it works with running backs.

To give Murray a 4 year deal for say $30 mil with $10 mil guaranteed would be goofy.

I'd go 3 years at $20 mil with $7 mil guaranteed.

If he didn't like that, then let him go to Tampa Bay or Cleveland and get 3.8 ypc with 5 TD's on the season.

 

[lostar2009]

There are quality running backs throughout the draft. A great scouting department should be able to identify those possible candidates that not only have produced in a proven arena (tough conference) but also fit their team's running game scheme/philosophy.

Ok sure, so out all the runnings backs we drafted how many actually pan out so far?

 

[Frosty]

It's the line, the coaching of the zone blocking scheme and the player. It's all working well.

Absolutely, why pay 3-5 mil (or more) when you can draft a good RB or use Randle, Williams and Dunbar as RB by committee....Love Murray but not worth breaking the bank for...like you said...its the OL.....Look what Chris Johnson has done since he got paid... You pay a RB their performance drops.....Ray Rice, A Foster, Peterson, and others.....

 

[lostar2009]

I don't break the bank to pay Dez either I sure as heck do not want Dallas giving him Calvin Johnson money, if you have quality players you try to pay them fair market value for their play.

How can you pay a QUALITY player fair market value? Well last i look Dez and Murray is a STEP above quality. Lets not sugar coat this these guys will want top 5 money because their prodution or history of production warrants it. Its the same deal with Romo, we paid him top 5 money to qb that wasnt top 5. But it is what it is.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

Ok sure, so out all the runnings backs we drafted how many actually pan out so far?

Since I fail to comprehend the direction of your question I'm going to refrain from addressing it.

 

[basstapp]

There are quality running backs throughout the draft. A great scouting department should be able to identify those possible candidates that not only have produced in a proven arena (tough conference) but also fit their team's running game scheme/philosophy.

So said the Saints and Mark Ingram.... or Reggie Bush with the dolphins/lions.... or when people said Charles wouldn't be a great RB because he had fumbling issues ? Oh Hey Trent RIchardson says Hi to.... Scouts are as accurate as weatherman - No team hits on every pick -

 

[lostar2009]

Since I fail to comprehend the direction of your question I'm going to refrain from addressing it.

Yea sure keep thinking you can find a running back any where.