Washington is great example how quickly Cowboys could turn it around

[CowboysFaninHouston]

They have 3 Super Bowls with this ownership.

They have more Super Bowls with Jerry as the owner than they have playoff wins with Dak as the QB.

Meanwhile, a bum like Cooper Rush does nothing but win.

"No QB can win under Jerry" is a Dak over Dallas fan talking point.

well, on the surface, technically and for statistical purposes this may make sense. then one looks further and understands when did that happen? and what were the circumstances? and one realizes, it wasn't jerry really as the GM, it was when Johnson was the coach and defacto GM, making all the personnel moves and coaching moves.

then Johnson left because Jerry hated not to be in the spotlight, and Jerry kept almost all the coaches and had all the player johnson had brought in and they won. then they all left, got old and retired and so on

Jerry tried on his own, put a coaching staff together, draft, etc. and he failed. he failed misreably. he had three 5-11 seasons. then he brought in parcells, let him rebuild and we kind of did, until he meddled again and Parcells said bye.

so since we lost Johnson coaching staff and players, Jerry hasn't done squat.

you maybe a new fan, this past 8 years perhaps, but look at history and it was the same during Romo. he didn't accomplish anything. no different.
prior to that we had QBs come and go. none accomplished anything. he has changed coaches. no different result.

so circumstance matter. unless one doesn't care about those details. why? because then one will tend to solve the wrong problem. when Jerry signs Zeke and forces the coaches to use him, just to "see what he can do". When he hires assitant coaches and coordinators and forces them on new coaches (he is doing it again with witten), when he refuses to sign FAs to address gaping needs on the defense, then one can see why this team fails. we could have mahomes here and we would fail. could we use better QB play? ABSOLUTELY. but QB play is not the only issue that's holding cowboys back. its not even the biggest issue. Jerry is.

its been 30 years. as they say, your most recent history is most relevant. we have 30 years of recent history telling us jerry can't do it...or if you like Jerry can't do it any more. because 30 years you know.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Jerry is a better owner/GM than Dak is a QB.

He's won, multiple times, at his job.

I argue against that. Jerry has 30 years of failure through multiple coaches, QBs and players. nobody can match that. recent history tells us otherwise.

 

[DogFace]

Mcarthy was pretty good. Much much better than Garrett. But we need a very good to great coach to be able to overcome the liability that is Jerry jones.

He’s only hired 2 very good coaches ever. I still can dream though.

 

[Cowboys5217]

It only took them 33 years.

It's going to take the Cowboys a LOT longer than that.

 

[Creeper]

it wouldn't matter. the cowboys culture needs to change. we could have mahomes and jerry would find a way to screw it up

That's the point. Signing a bunch of free agents would be a sign of a culture change. It would mean the owner if finally putting winning first.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

That’s fine, Dak fan.

so does this make you a jerry fan? why?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Jerry is the best owner in the history of professional sports. He’s an awful GM, I’d argue one of the worst ever, but he also hasn’t been the GM in practice for a decade.

So he’s certainly a better owner than Dak is QB, but to say his time as the true personnel decision maker was better than Dak’s tenure as QB is just not a rational position.

I argue otherwise. a good owner, enables his organization to succeed in the field they are in. the fact that the owner, refuses to hire a better GM, tells me he is not a good owner, because he has not been able to allow his organization to succeed. and yes he sucks as a GM. a good owner, would recoginize their own strength and weaknesses and given he doesn't realize he sucks as a GM, tells me he is not a good owner.

now, tell me he is a good businessman. and I have no water to hold.

and he is not a better owner than Dak is a QB. he hired, and paid the QB. not recognizing that he needs better, tells me he doesn't understand. and was he a better owner than Romo? and other QBs and coaches that have come through. its been 30 years of same owner. same results. 8 years of Dak. how do you explain away the other 22 years?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

It took Washington more than two decades to turn it around and it’s because it appears they landed a generational QB. If it wasn’t for Daniels, they would’ve been sitting home for the playoffs once again. Daniells may end up being better than Mahomes. He may already be better. It’s ridiculous how good he is.

no, that is only the result of the changes that needed to happen for washington to succeed. they had had other capable QBs in the past but results were bad. they had had capable coaches and results were bad. what needed to change is the ownership and leadership to bring about a change in culture, get rid of office politics and focus on football. the cultural changes have a bigger impact. when you change a toxic culture, then you bring in people who are capable and let them do their job and provide support. the new ownership has done that. they provided resources and support to the new management, including coaches that put a team together and they started winning. was daniels a big part of it? yes, but under previous ownership, probably end up with a lot of the same and perhaps one year of success with early playoff exit.

people way underestimate the impact of a company culture on its results.

and its way way way way way way too early to say Daniels is going to be better than Mahomes. let him have a few years under his belt before putting the annointing oil.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

And if Snyder was still the owner they would be just as good BECAUSE of Daniels.

Jerry can do it too if he'd take the QB position seriously.

I argue the opposite. because prior to daniels they had good QBs and good enough teams that didn't succeed. they certainly had some good coaches.

Daniels and the toxic culture of washington had a lot to do with their failures.

we can put mahomes here and the team would fail, because there is lack of accountability. where Mahomes makes the plays at the end of the game, he is not alone, the team rises together and mahomes leads them. here there is no accountability. and thus those very plays he makes in KC, would fail here and we lose a close game. perhaps not get blown out, but not enough to overcome the dysfunction that is the cowboys. the owner literally said, he wanted to "see what zeke can do". where everyone thought he is barely back up material at this point. the owner passed on all the DTs in FA, and wanted to go bargain basement shopping, the results of the defense speaks volumes.

the cowboys need a complete cultural change for them to find any success. that cultural change is not going to happen until jerry is gone.

now, I understand your singular obsession with Dak, but there was 22 years prior with similar results. Was it Romo? or was it Jerry? was it Parcells? or was it Jerry? players from cowboys have gone and found success other places, with lesser players around them.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

What cap space? Yes I’ve read all these theories about the magical $100 million but that is just pushing all the money into the future. What free agents? Osa for over $20 million a year? The free agent class is terrible. This we could have the opportunity to create a dynamic offense with this offseason but the defense might be historically bad. Facts - this team is in bad position with little talent outside of a few players.

every team pushes money to the future. that's how NFL contracts work. that's how the cap works. Philly has 193 allocated to their top 6 players. detroit has 170M. and so on. cowboys had 163M....

Goff made 5M less than Dak. is 5M the difference between 7-10 and 15-2? hurts makes 7M less, is 7M the difference between NFC CHampionship game and 7-10 debacle?

the jonses keep pushing the cap narrative about Dak and CD as an excuse that they can't spend in FA...and fans biases towards Dak fall for it. exactly what they want.
jonses are either incompetent in managing the cap or they don't want to spend. there are no other reasons.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

We should be drafting a QB every year until we hit .

But Jethro won’t. He doesn’t want a QB controversy.

why should he? cowboys at 7-10 were 2nd most watched team. highest profitable NFL team and highest valued. tell me why I need to change how I do business? if my top priority is not winning championships, then why does drafting QBs matter?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

What QB situation would you rather have right now?

Washington or Dallas?

Do you think Washington cares what it took to get where they are today? Or do you prefer the scared to death to try approach from the Cowboys?

washington. now go get me the 2nd over all pick.. and make sure there is a good QB draft class at the same time. give me your plan.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I can’t imagine anyone not preferring having Daniels. And the one who is scared to death without Prescott is our owner .

I’ve never really understood why Trolls don’t go after him instead of our players or coaching. There’s been one constant through this down era.

I guess those championships won with Jimmy’s built teams prevents Trolls from making our owner their target like true Diehard fans do.

Jerry is not scared to death being without Dak. he is using him to make more money. Dak was top 10 in jersey sales in 23. he milked the media publicity of Dak contract literally until the last hour he could. would someone who is focused on winning, drag contract negotiations until last hour? when you realize that winning is not what drives Jerry, then you understand that the moves he makes, make sense from a business perspective.

and I am with you, everyone should go and troll Jerry, but then again he likes it. he wants the attention. negative or positive, media attention is good for business.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

What money???????????? It's all earmarked for three players: Prescott, CeeDee and Parsons! Not much left to pay any decent game changing FAs. JJ totally mismanaged the Cap Space for years to come..............

sorry, but you just fell for exactly what the jonses wanted you to do.

Eagles top 6 players account for 193 AAV on their cap. Detroit 170M, cowboys 163M.... so we are handicapped because of couple of contracts, yet those teams go out and sign players that they need. how is that possible?

ask JJ and Stephen and they will tell you its not. they are either lying to you or they are incompetent. there is no inbetween.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

That's the point. Signing a bunch of free agents would be a sign of a culture change. It would mean the owner if finally putting winning first.

but he won't. cultural change would be to allow coaches to manage their own team and organization. you don't force coaches on them, ala what he did with garrett onto wade, moore onto garrett and moore onto MM. and now he wants to hire witten. rumors were jerry wanted witten on the staff and MM said no deal. cultural change means not to sign Zeke and then literallys say "I wanted to see what he can do". and then force him to play where he was barely good enough to be a back up. cultural change is allowing people to do what's needed to succeed, not dictate what they should do. cultural change is accountability, which doesn't exist within cowboys organization. all the FAs in the world aren't going to change that.

 

[Landryhat73]

every team pushes money to the future. that's how NFL contracts work. that's how the cap works. Philly has 193 allocated to their top 6 players. detroit has 170M. and so on. cowboys had 163M....

Goff made 5M less than Dak. is 5M the difference between 7-10 and 15-2? hurts makes 7M less, is 7M the difference between NFC CHampionship game and 7-10 debacle?

the jonses keep pushing the cap narrative about Dak and CD as an excuse that they can't spend in FA...and fans biases towards Dak fall for it. exactly what they want.
jonses are either incompetent in managing the cap or they don't want to spend. there are no other reasons.

I understand everything you are saying, with simple restructuring Dallas can get to about $80 million. Yes, they can go crazy and get over $100. My question is for what? Both Detroit and Philadelphia have considerably more talent than Dallas and have pushed $$ into the future to extend players and to sign the player who might be able to be the missing piece.

This free agent class is terrible - we would have to overspend for players that will not have a significant impact on the overall goal.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I understand everything you are saying, with simple restructuring Dallas can get to about $80 million. Yes, they can go crazy and get over $100. My question is for what? Both Detroit and Philadelphia have considerably more talent than Dallas and have pushed $$ into the future to extend players and to sign the player who might be able to be the missing piece.

This free agent class is terrible - we would have to overspend for players that will not have a significant impact on the overall goal.

the issue is not just FA. the money is there. the issue is the GM and our talent evaluation process. the lines of accountability. we drafted Mazi and Schoon. two useless players who are nothing but bodies. guyton for all intent and purposes sucks. we locked into Parsons, because we actually traded down. if we were sold on him, then why even trade down.

this team is got a lot of holes. I can't argue with that. because this organization is a joke for a football operation.

 

[Landryhat73]

the issue is not just FA. the money is there. the issue is the GM and our talent evaluation process. the lines of accountability. we drafted Mazi and Schoon. two useless players who are nothing but bodies. guyton for all intent and purposes sucks. we locked into Parsons, because we actually traded down. if we were sold on him, then why even trade down.

this team is got a lot of holes. I can't argue with that. because this organization is a joke for a football operation.

I agree with this, the money would be available to try and get over the theoretical hump if this team was close. But it is nowhere close! I loved when the front office was aggressive last year to get Cooks and Gilmore. But because of bad contracts and drafting mistakes this team is void of talent. Comparing Detroit and Philadelphia- look at all the contributions they get from players on rookie contracts and in Phillys case the reclamation project (Bectum and Braun) worked out, both contract we could have afforded. If we are honest as fans, this team needs an influx of talent in most positions and is probably not close to competing at a high level no matter what it does this offseason.

 

[Creeper]

but he won't. cultural change would be to allow coaches to manage their own team and organization. you don't force coaches on them, ala what he did with garrett onto wade, moore onto garrett and moore onto MM. and now he wants to hire witten. rumors were jerry wanted witten on the staff and MM said no deal. cultural change means not to sign Zeke and then literallys say "I wanted to see what he can do". and then force him to play where he was barely good enough to be a back up. cultural change is allowing people to do what's needed to succeed, not dictate what they should do. cultural change is accountability, which doesn't exist within cowboys organization. all the FAs in the world aren't going to change that.

I know Jerry won't change, but I believe the opportunity to change will come when Jerry has to retire. He is 82 now. I think his years as a GM are numbered. Maybe he has 3 years. But we could see him step aside, or be forced to step aside sooner.

 

[DandyDon52]

It's not just Dak. It's the whole culture around this team. When an owner is friends with the players and entitles them, that's a problem. When the owner is holding press conferences telling the media who's playing and who's not, that's a major problem. When the owner won't let his HC pick his own staff, that's a major problem.

This is not a football team, it's a reality show for Jerry's ego. AT&T Stadium is not a football arena, it's a casino. I feel sorry for the young fans that didn't witness the Landry/Staubach or Johnson/Aikman teams. Had Jerry been able to keep his ego in check, this team would have at least 2 more SB trophies. Jerry & Son have ruined this once proud organization and l don't see that changing any time soon.

Well said, Jerry and his boy, create the culture, hire the lame coaches,Draft new players and either done use FA, or they are real bad at it.
Their mgmt of the team is a joke, but they enjoy going thru the motions, and love being interviewed, as long as no hard questions are asked !

They are not going away anytime soon,we have at least another 20 years of these 2 bozo's.
They did have /build 3-4 teams with a brief SB window, but the HC they hired was not good enough to guide those teams to victory in playoffs.
I refer to 2007 ,2014,2016, and 2023 teams that in spite of the jones boys had a good shot at a SB appearance, but were lacking in HC and staff,
and had a poor culture, the jones culture.

Washington has overachieved this season, I think due to the culture Quinn has got going there. Also they picked a good qb, and he seems
like he has a good mental makeup, cool under pressure.
When they add more talent they will be even better.
I thought they would make playoffs, but never thought they would be in champ game 1st season. that is amazing and hard for any team
to replicated and impossible for the cowboys to do even if jerry hired a real GM.