We dont use Owens the right way

[Doomsday101]

Its not just last nights game. TO hasnt really had BIG TD's YET. That has to change. If he drops - you go back to him over and over and over

But the offense has been productive, Dallas has been able to put up points this year more than most teams in the NFL. TO is part of the team but this offense has for the most part been very productive and TO personal numbers I could careless about. It appears your more worried about TO personal numbers because if you look at the facts Dallas offense has been very productive this season and to change that to make sure TO gets his is foolish.

 

[khiladi]

On the TD pass by Romo, you could tell that TO is not being used properly... he wasn't even open... he was upset even after that play...

all they do with TO is have him run these long routes to free up space... I have seen them many times have TO and another receiver in the same space, and have TO go long and have the receiver run a curl underneath and throw to the other receiver...

many times, when Romo doesn't have an option he throws to TO... TO often becomes the first option on third and long...

 

[khiladi]

parcells is a defensive minded coach

he showed his defensive mind yesterday... you do realize that Lawrence Taylor, the greatest defensive player EVER, free-lanced a lot...

Notice how Parcells brings up his 'players not executing properly' when his defense gets shredded....

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

But the offense has been productive, Dallas has been able to put up points this year more than most teams in the NFL. TO is part of the team but this offense has for the most part been very productive and TO personal numbers I could careless about. It appears your more worried about TO personal numbers because if you look at the facts Dallas offense has been very productive this season and to change that to make sure TO gets his is foolish.

No... I am more concerned with the fact that numbers aside... we have not been productive out of the gate. ie. The Texans and Titans were in the game WAY TO LONG for my liking.... we got TO involved later and he racked up catches and TD's when it wasnt that important.

 

[Clarkson]

In order for the team to be all that it can be, I believe Owens needs to be used more than just getting screen passes thrown to him and such. He is a huge open field threat. Get him one-on-one with someone, dont put too many WRs out so you have room in the secondary and get him the ball 15-25 yards downfield and let him run. Philly used him so much better than Dallas is.

 

[Doomsday101]

No... I am more concerned with the fact that numbers aside... we have not been productive out of the gate. ie. The Texans and Titans were in the game WAY TO LONG for my liking.... we got TO involved later and he racked up catches and TD's when it wasnt that important.

TO is getting his oppertunities and this offense has been productive 1 bad game is no reason to throw this offense out the window so Owens can get more. Is Dallas using TO like Philly? No but we do not run the WCO but he is very much involved and Dallas has other players who can make big plays.

 

[Rampage]

TO is getting his oppertunities and this offense has been productive 1 bad game is no reason to throw this offense out the window so Owens can get more. Is Dallas using TO like Philly? No but we do not run the WCO but he is very much involved and Dallas has other players who can make big plays.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

TO is getting his oppertunities and this offense has been productive 1 bad game is no reason to throw this offense out the window so Owens can get more. Is Dallas using TO like Philly? No but we do not run the WCO but he is very much involved and Dallas has other players who can make big plays.

It is not ONE bad game. We got away with a few. Should have considered ourselves lucky and corrected the TO issue. We didnt. We fall.

 

[Doomsday101]

On the TD pass by Romo, you could tell that TO is not being used properly... he wasn't even open... he was upset even after that play...

all they do with TO is have him run these long routes to free up space... I have seen them many times have TO and another receiver in the same space, and have TO go long and have the receiver run a curl underneath and throw to the other receiver...

many times, when Romo doesn't have an option he throws to TO... TO often becomes the first option on third and long...

This is not a true statement. Owens has more catches than anyone on this team and most of those passes were not long routs. TO has been used on short to intermediate routs for the most part. Only differance is TO is not breaking tackles and getting the long runs after the catch which has nothing to do on how we are using him.

 

[superpunk]

I know you don't want stats, but 48 of Owens' 72 catches (67&#37 have come behind the line of scrimmage or under 10 yards. H'es getting chances to be T.O. There's the chance that at 32, though, he just doesn't have it like that anymore.

 

[Da Hammer]

Everything about yesterday was wrong in strategy and execution but yea not getting the ball early to T.O was horrible. You can say whatever about the guy but he gets it done and with a guy like him you gotta do everything you can do get the ball in his hands. If he isnt getting open then throw a screen his way or run a reverse for him. DO WATEVER POSSIBLE TO GET HIM THE BALL!!!

 

[Doomsday101]

It is not ONE bad game. We got away with a few. Should have considered ourselves lucky and corrected the TO issue. We didnt. We fall.

We got away with a few? Give me a break Dallas is scoring more points that 80% of the teams in the NFL. Maybe if Owens broke a few tackles as he did in the past it would look more impressive but this ideal of getting the ball to Owens even more no way, not when we have other weapons who are damn good in their own right and were even before Owens got here. Irvin managed in this style of offense and if Owen is a big time WR then he will adjust to the Cowboys offense.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

We got away with a few? Give me a break Dallas is scoring more points that 80% of the teams in the NFL. Maybe if Owens broke a few tackles as he did in the past it would look more impressive but this ideal of getting the ball to Owens even more no way, not when we have other weapons who are damn good in their own right and were even before Owens got here. Irvin managed in this style of offense and if Owen is a big time WR then he will adjust to the Cowboys offense.

You want a break??? Ok... Texans, Titans & Panthers were ALMOST losses.... need another break?

 

[Doomsday101]

You want a break??? Ok... Texans, Titans & Panthers were ALMOST losses.... need another break?

Almost loses Texans 34 to 6. Tenn 45 to 14 and Carolina 35 to 14 yeah those almost losses really cost us. If you consider that almost losing then you lost me. :laugh2:

 

[khiladi]

This is not a true statement. Owens has more catches than anyone on this team and most of those passes were not long routs. TO has been used on short to intermediate routs for the most part. Only differance is TO is not breaking tackles and getting the long runs after the catch which has nothing to do on how we are using him.

I am not disputing the fact that he is being thrown to.. I am arguing that he is not being used properly... My concern is that he is being used a lot as a diversion... he is running a lot of deep routes to try and free up space... when he is thrown to, many times it is a result of trying to force the ball to him when he is not the first option... he wasn't open on the TD he was thrown to yesterday... that was a clear force by Romo...

A lot of his intermediate catches, as I stated before, are possession plays for first downs.. Those are clearly not meant to allow TO to break tackles... a lot of the intermediate routes are thrown at the sidelines, where TO catches it and goes out of bounds... a quick pass to a receiver in the flat is not that great of an oppurtunity to make a play either... by the time the ball reaches the receiver, a cornerback would have reacted and closed off the space..

a great oppurtunity is hitting TO in full stride on a quick slant over the middle where the receiver is already behind him... like you said, he is know to break tackles, yet we run him a lot down field to create space as opposed to quick slants over the middle from the slot... we use him like a possession receiver, throwing him one or two deep balls a game...

 

[wileedog]

a great oppurtunity is hitting TO in full stride on a quick slant over the middle where the receiver is already behind him...

We do that all the time. We do it with Glenn too. Even Crayton.

We also run him down the field a lot. And yes, sometimes it is to clear out space for other options. But he also gets thrown to when he is wide open a lot in that situation, like the bomb he dropped against Washington and the one he caught against Tampa.

This isn't a WCO team, we are a downfield offense off play action, so you are not going to see it every other play. But we have been doing this at least a couple of times a game with TO, especially since Romo took over, until yesterday.

 

[Doomsday101]

I am not disputing the fact that he is being thrown to.. I am arguing that he is not being used properly... My concern is that he is being used a lot as a diversion... he is running a lot of deep routes to try and free up space... when he is thrown to, many times it is a result of trying to force the ball to him when he is not the first option... he wasn't open on the TD he was thrown to yesterday... that was a clear force by Romo...

A lot of his intermediate catches, as I stated before, are possession plays for first downs.. Those are clearly not meant to allow TO to break tackles... a lot of the intermediate routes are thrown at the sidelines, where TO catches it and goes out of bounds... a quick pass to a receiver in the flat is not that great of an oppurtunity to make a play either... by the time the ball reaches the receiver, a cornerback would have reacted and closed off the space..

a great oppurtunity is hitting TO in full stride on a quick slant over the middle where the receiver is already behind him... like you said, he is know to break tackles, yet we run him a lot down field to create space as opposed to quick slants over the middle from the slot... we use him like a possession receiver, throwing him one or two deep balls a game...

I said he has broken tackles in the past but he is not doing it this season, that has nothing to do with how Dallas is using him it could be because he is a 33 year old WR. Dallas has used Owen on all different types of routs some he has caught some he has dropped. There is nothing wrong with how Dallas is using TO. I would add Dallas has used the quick slants with Owens and the hitch rout he would break often in Philly but he is not doing it here. Some how that is the Cowboys fault but maybe the fault belongs some wheres else.

 

[khiladi]

As far as playing with balance, a good mind coaches his team according to his players... You go to the hot-hand when you have a hot-hand, ignoring the balance sometimes...

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Almost loses Texans 34 to 6. Tenn 45 to 14 and Carolina 35 to 14 yeah those almost losses really cost us. If you consider that almost losing then you lost me. :laugh2:

Ok... you are talking about final scores. I am talking about attacking and TAKING the win when opp is there.

Titans and Cowboys were 10-10 at the half
Texans and Cowboys - we were losing 6-3 at the half
Carolina and Cowboys - we were losing 14-10 at the half

Tell me you understand my point instead of your spin?

 

[superpunk]

He's on pace for about 200 passes thrown his way, too. Wow. His bomb year in Philly, in 04, he was only thrown at 127 times.

edit - not 200, i screwed up. About 160