Well Folks, It Is December

[jobberone]

Great post, Hos.

I agree. Better chemistry and better players. There's a reason we aren't giving up a lot of points now.

If the O can take care of their end of the deal we may have something.

 

[Zman5]

We'll at least go 3-2. I think we win all our home games(SD, Philly) and we beat the Deadskins. If we beat NY and/or No, that'll be just an icing on the cake.

 

[Hostile]

You act like all teams just start from scratch each year and it's just a blind crapshoot. Yep, I'm just stunned the Colts are leading their division again while the Lions are once again one of the worst teams in the league. Whodathunk?

And yeah, some teams can make strides from year to year while others may decline, but overall, there are certain trends, whether or not you're wise enough to notice.

So basically what you are saying is that after 11 games in 2009 and 16 games in 2008 you can see a trend that Detroit sucks. And that after 11 games you can see the same thing in the opposite for the Colts.

It takes some serious stones to say it is wisdom that leads you to these suppositions after 11 games of evidence. That's roughly the equivalent of warning the US about Pearl Harbor being attacked 11 weeks after the attacks. Impressive.

Hoo boy, am I ever glad you shared these nuggets with us. I mean heaven knows none of us could look at a standings and see the Colts atop the AFC South undefeated and think they are good. Or see the Lions at the bottom of the NFC North and recognize they are bad.

Yeah, I can see how after 11 games this trend recognition stuff is infallible and impressive to a simple mind.

It's a damned shame it isn't worth a flush beyond that though.

 

[Aikbach]

In the words of the great back up running back Lincoln Coleman during Super Bowl XXVIII and as recorded for eternity by NFL Films "Nothing's changed but the dates on the calendar, nothin's changed but the dates on the calendar, baby...(something unintelligible)."

 

[Don Corleone]

In the words of the great back up running back Lincoln Coleman during Super Bowl XXVIII and as recorded for eternity by NFL Films "Nothing's changed but the dates on the calendar, nothin's changed but the dates on the calendar, baby...(something unintelligible)."

That was Scott Galbreath, not Lincoln Coleman.

All Lincoln said was, "This ain't Houston!"

 

[Clove]

I think more than attitude and all of that other stuff, you actually just have to execute and not turn the ball over, and that's what we've done.

 

[Bach]

So basically what you are saying is that after 11 games in 2009 and 16 games in 2008 you can see a trend that Detroit sucks. And that after 11 games you can see the same thing in the opposite for the Colts.

It takes some serious stones to say it is wisdom that leads you to these suppositions after 11 games of evidence. That's roughly the equivalent of warning the US about Pearl Harbor being attacked 11 weeks after the attacks. Impressive.

Hoo boy, am I ever glad you shared these nuggets with us. I mean heaven knows none of us could look at a standings and see the Colts atop the AFC South undefeated and think they are good. Or see the Lions at the bottom of the NFC North and recognize they are bad.

Yeah, I can see how after 11 games this trend recognition stuff is infallible and impressive to a simple mind.

It's a damned shame it isn't worth a flush beyond that though.

And based on last year I'm sure you are just stunned that the Colts are atop their division and the Lions are at the bottom of theirs, right? I mean, no one could see this coming, could they?

Actually I sure thousands predicted just this, and to no one's surprise. Why? Because they based it on past trends.

 

[Hostile]

And based on last year I'm sure you are just stunned that the Colts are atop their division and the Lions are at the bottom of theirs, right? I mean, no one could see this coming, could they?

Actually I sure thousands predicted just this, and to no one's surprise. Why? Because they based it on past trends.

I to your omniscience after 11 games. You truly are a marvel.

 

[Bach]

I to your omniscience after 11 games. You truly are a marvel.

:laugh2:

I'm sure you're probably surprised that a team like the Lions are *gasp* in last place now. But I doubt most of the knowledgeable NFL fanbase is.

 

[Hostile]

:laugh2:

I'm sure you're probably surprised that a team like the Lions are *gasp* in last place now. But I doubt most of the knowledgeable NFL fanbase is.

Oh no, I am not surprised at all. But I wasn't the one touting trends that are visible after 11 games.

I mean, no **** Sherlock? If you don't realize how utterly silly that crap was, I am sorry.

 

[Bach]

Oh no, I am not surprised at all. But I wasn't the one touting trends that are visible after 11 games.

I mean, no **** Sherlock? If you don't realize how utterly silly that crap was, I am sorry.

It's not about just being visible after 11 games **** Sherlock. And if you aren't surprised, then I take it you must've expected these results? Right? How could that be? Maybe based on past results?


I'm sure Vegas must be losing their shirts every single week, because they base their point spreads on *GASP* past trends. Those poor suckers, they must be about bankrupt by now. C'mon Hos, be a pal and tell those guys that trends don't exist. :laugh2:

 

[Hostile]

It's not about just being visible after 11 games **** Sherlock. And if you aren't surprised, then I take it you must've expected these results? Right? How could that be? Maybe based on past results?


I'm sure Vegas must be losing their shirts every single week, because they base their point spreads on *GASP* past trends. Those poor suckers, they must be about bankrupt by now. C'mon Hos, be a pal and tell those guys that trends don't exist. :laugh2:

Before a season I don't expect anything. I can make a pretty good educated guess about some teams. You touted a foreseeable trend. It was silly given the fact the trend you could see already had 11 games of 2009 evidence for you. Pure silly.

Trends after 11 games? Guinness Breweries called, they want their "Brilliant" motto back.

 

[Bach]

Before a season I don't expect anything. I can make a pretty good educated guess about some teams. You touted a foreseeable trend. It was silly given the fact the trend you could see already had 11 games of 2009 evidence for you. Pure silly.

Trends after 11 games? Guinness Breweries called, they want their "Brilliant" motto back.

Pretty good educated guess? How do you do that, Hos? In order to do that wouldn't you have to look back to the previous season?

That's called looking at past trends. That's all I've been saying.

And why are you so caught up on 'trends after 11 games'? We just happen to be at that point now. It's not about waiting til after 11 games to tout a trend. I'm saying these teams have done what most expected since the beginning of the season based on "their educated guess' which was based on past trends.

It's really not that complicated, at least not for most of us who aren't trying desperately to win some internet argument.

 

[Hostile]

Pretty good educated guess? How do you do that, Hos? In order to do that wouldn't you have to look back to the previous season?

That's called looking at past trends. That's all I've been saying.

And why are you so caught up on 'trends after 11 games'? We just happen to be at that point now. It's not about waiting til after 11 games to tout a trend. I'm saying these teams have done what most expected since the beginning of the season based on "their educated guess' which was based on past trends.

It's really not that complicated, at least not for most of us who aren't trying desperately to win some internet argument.

I personally look at their upcoming schedule, who retired, who they lost in Free Agency, who they gained, who they drafted and if they fit their needs, how much cap room they have left, are they getting any key players back from injury, whether any of their recent draft picks came on at previous year's end, whether or not they have a new Head Coach and if he has previous experience of turning a franchise around, whether any of these things might affect their division rivals and give them a hidden advantage not all could see, and a lot of things unrelated to the previous year's won loss record.

You look at a previous year and 11 games of the current year and say, "I sense a trend."



You go buddy.

In a parity driven NFL I have discovered that last year may not mean very much at all. I have seen the Rams go from cellar dwellers to the greatest show on turf. I've seen the Titans go from 14-2 to losers of 6 straight to start the very next season. I've seen the Saints go from Mendoza line to undefeated after 11 games. And many other instances of teams going both directions after previous years.

What I have never done is thump my chest and say "there's a trend if you just pay attention," and have that "trend" already have 11 games of evidence to claim as support for the hypothesis.

Are the Raiders going to suck next year? Odds are in their favor that they will. Is it a written in stone guarantee? If you think it is, you haven't been paying attention to very much beyond 2008.

Brilliant!

 

[TellerMorrow34]

This is one of the dumbest things I've ever read on here, congratulations.

Do you really think anyone on here wants us to lose any games? Really? Let alone want us to go 1-4 to end the year?

With some folks like you, yes, I absolutely believe you'd rather us lose so you can thump your chest and be 'right' about Jerry and Romo and such then to ever have to concede you were wrong about any of them if they were to win.

Of course, having seen how you go about on these forums, you likely wouldn't give Jerry or Romo any credit anyway, even if they won the Superbowl, you'd comeback here with this boat load of reasons how they got lucky that so and so didn't do this or that.

So, yeah, call me crazy but I don't exactly believe that a small handful of fans on this forum aren't secretly hoping we do bad just so they can say "I told you so."

Maybe you're not one of those guys but you seem like one to me and you've never done anything on these forums, since I've been coming here, to make me believe otherwise.

 

[sonnyboy]

It's not about just being visible after 11 games **** Sherlock. And if you aren't surprised, then I take it you must've expected these results? Right? How could that be? Maybe based on past results?


I'm sure Vegas must be losing their shirts every single week, because they base their point spreads on *GASP* past trends. Those poor suckers, they must be about bankrupt by now. C'mon Hos, be a pal and tell those guys that trends don't exist. :laugh2:

They have us as a 2 point fav or the Giants. Guess they failed to notice it's Dec.

Your we will most likely fail this Dec because of recent past Dec failings is crtically flawed.

 

[Hostile]

They have us as a 2 point fav or the Giants. Guess they failed to notice it's Dec.

Your we will most likely fail this Dec because of recent past Dec failings is crtically flawed.

Dude, you are bucking a trend. What does Vegas possibly know?

:wink2:

 

[Aikbach]

That was Scott Galbreath, not Lincoln Coleman.

All Lincoln said was, "This ain't Houston!"

With a name like Galbreath its no wonder anyone wasn't listening.

 

[sonnyboy]

Pretty good educated guess? How do you do that, Hos? In order to do that wouldn't you have to look back to the previous season?

That's called looking at past trends. That's all I've been saying.

And why are you so caught up on 'trends after 11 games'? We just happen to be at that point now. It's not about waiting til after 11 games to tout a trend. I'm saying these teams have done what most expected since the beginning of the season based on "their educated guess' which was based on past trends.

It's really not that complicated, at least not for most of us who aren't trying desperately to win some internet argument.

You are part of what I believe is a very sad, yet thankfully small group of posters on this site who fall into one of two categories:

1) You're not a Cowboy fan. You get your rocks off coming on this site with nothing but negativity. Your sole purpose is to create doubt in the fan base. You're looking to rain on the parade. You see a glimer of hope, some positve thinking and you jump to piss on it.

2) You are one joyless cat. Your life sucks and are only satisfied when you are miserable. However, wallowing in your misery is not enough. You have to spread it around.

 

[Bach]

I personally look at their upcoming schedule, who retired, who they lost in Free Agency, who they gained, who they drafted and if they fit their needs, how much cap room they have left, are they getting any key players back from injury, whether any of their recent draft picks came on at previous year's end, whether or not they have a new Head Coach and if he has previous experience of turning a franchise around, whether any of these things might affect their division rivals and give them a hidden advantage not all could see, and a lot of things unrelated to the previous year's won loss record.

You look at a previous year and 11 games of the current year and say, "I sense a trend."



You go buddy.

In a parity driven NFL I have discovered that last year may not mean very much at all. I have seen the Rams go from cellar dwellers to the greatest show on turf. I've seen the Titans go from 14-2 to losers of 6 straight to start the very next season. I've seen the Saints go from Mendoza line to undefeated after 11 games. And many other instances of teams going both directions after previous years.

What I have never done is thump my chest and say "there's a trend if you just pay attention," and have that "trend" already have 11 games of evidence to claim as support for the hypothesis.

Are the Raiders going to suck next year? Odds are in their favor that they will. Is it a written in stone guarantee? If you think it is, you haven't been paying attention to very much beyond 2008.

Brilliant!

I keep hearing phrases and words from you like "omniscience", "written in stone", etc. But I'd dare you to find where I have said trends are guaranteed or written in stone.

All I've referred to is trends. Not that complicated.

A trend is a trend, don't know why you think anyone has made any guaranteed prediction in stone.

But if you want to believe that then go ahead. I know you can't ever admit you are wrong or concede anything because you have a 'reputation' to uphold with your 'internet following'.

Anyway, looking at our upcoming schedule I still see us going 3-2 or 2-3 and leaning towards 2-3. Is it set in stone? No. But until this team shows it can rise to the occasion late in the season then I'll stand by their decade long trend.