We're Still Firmly In QB Purgatory

[DenCWBY]

More like you're trying to grab his foot and pull yourself up on the door and he's boot stomping your face and sending you to a watery grave to preserve himself

I've said this for a long time and I've caught hell for it, but I'm more convinced of it now than ever. Dak's about Dak. Period.
He's not the inspirational leader his adherents claim he is.

He's arrogant, he's got his, and he doesn't much care about the rest. You can tell a lot of his teammates are starting to figure this out.
Emperor has no clothes.

I actually think Dak is authentically trying to win for the team and himself. He's trying to be a leader and saying all the right things, however, it's becoming more obvious he does not have the talent or mindset to be a consistently effective QB in the NFL. He was able to hide behind injuries for a while, but the better opposing DC's have the goods on him esp. when it counts. As someone else mentioned, you can tell the rest of the offensive unit is not buying in because he's not taking this team anywhere. They, more than anyone see the flaws in his play during practice and in games. The jig is up.

 

[bigE79]

Agree completely but Dak can’t be moved for two more seasons. His contract just doesn’t allow it. I’m all for drafting a guy though and getting him ready for 2025.

Apparently we wanted to take that Howell kid,but the skins took him.

 

[TheCoolFan]

I'm not sold on the idea that Jerry and the Cowboys are completely sold on Dak no matter what. If they don't advance in the playoffs this year and next year, Dak will be in BIG trouble. Jerry is not very smart but even he is aware of the QB hierarchy in the league and he knows Dak is continuing to get passed with each year. Without playoff results, Jerry is not going to continue to ride with Dak. Then you factor in a great 2024 QB class in the draft and you can hear the clock start to tick on the Dak Prescott Era if he doesn't start getting a few playoff wins!

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Have they shown an ability to draft the next stud QB?

Not only that, but, after what happened in 2020, we did not have a choice imo than to sign Dak. It was a good decision still imo as it bought us 4 years to find a replacement QB while simultaneously trying to build the defence. Now it's time to get a QB to groom and get ready to succeed Dak in two years, while getting a CB and NT also in the first 3 rounds.

 

[cnuball21]

no plan except go drafting. there is Mahomes, There is Burrows and Lawrence (#1 over all pick). then there is the following high picks in the first round (not all of them listed)
Zack Wilson #2 pick
Justing Fields #11 pick
Jordan Love (never really seen the field)
Murray (#1 overall pick)
Daineil Jones (#6 pick)
Dwane Haskings #15 pick
Bake Mayfield #1 pick
Darnold #3 pick
Josh Rosen #10 pick
Turbiskey#2 pick
Goff #1 pick
Wentz #2 pick
Lynch #26 pick
Watson #12 pick (#1 rapist)
Winston #1 pick
Mariota #2 pick
Blake Bortles #3 pick
Manziel#22 pick

so since Mahomes was picked in 2016, there are three legit QBs in the first round (Allen, Mahomes, Burrows) and 18 failed and several TBD and unknown (herbert, lance, tua, etc.)

its risky, but last time a pick really worked out, its close to top 10. can't recall a lower round QB over past 8 years that worked out.

there is a much higher chance of failing in first round than succeeding. should one not try? yes we should. when is the right time to try? ...based on Data , you have to be close to top 10 and be lucky on who is coming out.

Yea, I don’t think most fans realize how hard it is to hit even in the 1st round. If the team decides to move on from Dak I’ll get behind it but history tells us the percentage of hitting on someone who will be better are low.

If we’re looking to move up you also better be ready to start talking about trading Parsons who is likely the only player that would get us big draft capital.

 

[cnuball21]

I agree, but my concern comes with how aggressive the Cowboys can actually get in FA. The window to resign Diggs & Lamb just opened up which could both be the top paid at their positions, the financials of Daks contract are really just now starting to become a pain as he is going to count roughly 50MM each of the next two years. Then you have decisions to make on guys like Armstrong, Wilson, etc.

I see an offseason that will be extremely tough to add unless its bargain hunting or through the draft again this year.

The Cowboys seem to be in a spot where they can either redo Daks deal and give him an extension or let him play though with his current deal and have a very small margin of error with other cap decisions.

They can move money around and make it work. Heck the Rams are out there throwing out contracts like hot cakes.

 

[TNCowboy]

Why do you think our owner is unwilling to make moves at QB?

Because fans keep showing up, filling his coffers. As long as he has someone to keep the Cowboys from bottoming out, regrettably, fans will still show up.

When the Cowboys hit a rough period at QB after Aikman quit, he took the drastic step of hiring Parcells to show everyone he was serious about winning (remember homers, those are Jones' words, not mine). Of course, after he got his new cash cow stadium, he went right back to hiring coach doofus plus recouping the personnel and locker room power he had to cede to Purcells.

Fans only impact on the old fool is to spend nothing, stay home, but they can't help themselves. They buy Jerry's hopium every time. He thanks all of you who buy tickets and jerseys and hot dogs for that mega-yacht.

 

[BoyzBlaster]

no plan except go drafting. there is Mahomes, There is Burrows and Lawrence (#1 over all pick). then there is the following high picks in the first round (not all of them listed)
Zack Wilson #2 pick
Justing Fields #11 pick
Jordan Love (never really seen the field)
Murray (#1 overall pick)
Daineil Jones (#6 pick)
Dwane Haskings #15 pick
Bake Mayfield #1 pick
Darnold #3 pick
Josh Rosen #10 pick
Turbiskey#2 pick
Goff #1 pick
Wentz #2 pick
Lynch #26 pick
Watson #12 pick (#1 rapist)
Winston #1 pick
Mariota #2 pick
Blake Bortles #3 pick
Manziel#22 pick

so since Mahomes was picked in 2016, there are three legit QBs in the first round (Allen, Mahomes, Burrows) and 18 failed and several TBD and unknown (herbert, lance, tua, etc.)

its risky, but last time a pick really worked out, its close to top 10. can't recall a lower round QB over past 8 years that worked out.

there is a much higher chance of failing in first round than succeeding. should one not try? yes we should. when is the right time to try? ...based on Data , you have to be close to top 10 and be lucky on who is coming out.

You're forgetting to do the same exercise for QB's drafted outside of the first round. I'm sure it looks even worse.

 

[Cowboys93]

Unless you have an elite guy I feel as if you should be taking a flyer on guys every other year or so. If anything for completion, but maybe trade bait, or best case a successor

 

[cnuball21]

Unless you have an elite guy I feel as if you should be taking a flyer on guys every other year or so. If anything for completion, but maybe trade bait, or best case a successor

Yea, I have no issues throwing darts at toolsy development QBs often.

 

[FTWayne]

What's the difference between winning nothing with dak and winning nothing without dak?

 

[75boyz]

What's the difference between winning nothing with dak and winning nothing without dak?

Exactly. This misguided perception that there needs to be a sure thing replacement sounds like a Jerry Jones excuse to stay in his comfort zone of mediocrity.
I mean, so the status quo of staying pat is the plan and not drafting a replacement is not even a consideration?
When there's no risk there can be no reward.

Prescott has peaked. He peaked in 2016 if ya ask me.
You dont quit trying to get better cuz you're scared of getting worse.

But I sometimes forget.
This is Jerry's Way.
And Mediocrity rues the Day!
As always.

#StayingRelevantSells

 

[thunderpimp91]

They can move money around and make it work. Heck the Rams are out there throwing out contracts like hot cakes.

You're right there is always a way to move money around, but that also comes at a cost. There is a reason you are about to see Sean McVay retire in his mid 30s, as that LA team might be in for a half decade of not sniffing the playoffs, especially if their QB cant come back healthy.

That creates a question that ties back into the original post....does this team have the core pieces that you feel comfortable going all in with? Do you have the HC, QB, OC, DC, and enough playmakers on both sides of the ball to mortgage future cap space & draft picks towards bringing in those final pieces to make a run? The Rams went out and got their guys, QB included. It's an interesting question that I dont have the answer to. What I do know is that if you decide to go all in you better make it, and that is what makes it so difficult.

 

[mardwin]

Jethro can sell the hell out of 12-5.

It’s not worth hitting rock bottom to draft the next stud at QB.

I'm ok with drafting a QB in round 2/3 that can turn into a starter. Dak has never been the guy regardless of what others may say. The eagles picked up Hurts in rd2.


Amazing how everyone in the AFC that made the playoff has invested a 1st round pick in their QB.

We are going the Raiders route extend an average QB to later realized they needed something else.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

You're forgetting to do the same exercise for QB's drafted outside of the first round. I'm sure it looks even worse.

its even worse..... I briefly mentioned it....but I focused on first rounders, given there is a higher probability of hitting on those.

 

[offlimits]

I'm sort of in the same boat...although Dak is clearly better than anything the Cowboys had between the Aikman-Romo days. For that reason I am not eager to get rid of Dak without some plan B in mind, but I also don't think you pass up someone you really like because of Dak. Personally, I think you either have an elite QB or you should always be on the look for one. I think the Cowboys can win with Dak, but give me a Burrow, Mahomes, etc and I'm not setting myself up mentally for a letdown as I am now.

If the Cowboys get an Aaron Rodgers situation in the draft this year I'm all for taking it. If the Cowboys find a mid round guy they want to develop for 2025 they should go for it. It's really just a matter of how everything else falls. The problem is these situations don't happen every year. Sounds like the Cowboys were close last year with Sam Howell, but Washington got to him first.

What I'm not a huge fan of is going the Colts route and continuing to bring in vet QB after vet QB, giving up draft capital and being disappointed every year.

I know I have stated this fact before but in the '80s Bill Walsh would draft a QB (4th-5th rd) every year and Joe Montana was his QB.

 

[gtb1943]

Yea, I don’t think most fans realize how hard it is to hit even in the 1st round. If the team decides to move on from Dak I’ll get behind it but history tells us the percentage of hitting on someone who will be better are low.

If we’re looking to move up you also better be ready to start talking about trading Parsons who is likely the only player that would get us big draft capital.

Look at the year Winston Mariota were 1 and 2
Both in the end were busts
Though the fact is that virtually all top QBs of the last 20 years with a couple of glaring Exceptions (Brady, Warner) WERE first rd draft picks

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I actually think Dak is authentically trying to win for the team and himself. He's trying to be a leader and saying all the right things, however, it's becoming more obvious he does not have the talent or mindset to be a consistently effective QB in the NFL. He was able to hide behind injuries for a while, but the better opposing DC's have the goods on him esp. when it counts. As someone else mentioned, you can tell the rest of the offensive unit is not buying in because he's not taking this team anywhere. They, more than anyone see the flaws in his play during practice and in games. The jig is up.

he doesn't have the skills and mindset to be an elite QB. outside of the elite, everybody else some flaws and you just have to live with those until you find your next QB. either that QB is elite or you have to live with his flaws.

 

[cnuball21]

You're right there is always a way to move money around, but that also comes at a cost. There is a reason you are about to see Sean McVay retire in his mid 30s, as that LA team might be in for a half decade of not sniffing the playoffs, especially if their QB cant come back healthy.

That creates a question that ties back into the original post....does this team have the core pieces that you feel comfortable going all in with? Do you have the HC, QB, OC, DC, and enough playmakers on both sides of the ball to mortgage future cap space & draft picks towards bringing in those final pieces to make a run? The Rams went out and got their guys, QB included. It's an interesting question that I dont have the answer to. What I do know is that if you decide to go all in you better make it, and that is what makes it so difficult.

Yea, but the Rams OL got decimated and Stafford got hurt.

I’d go all in for the 2 years left on Daks contract. If it doesn’t work out then his large cap hit falls off and you have money back.

 

[cnuball21]

Look at the year Winston Mariota were 1 and 2
Both in the end were busts
Though the fact is that virtually all top QBs of the last 20 years with a couple of glaring Exceptions (Brady, Warner) WERE first rd draft picks

Case and point…