What if Brian Schottenheimer really is the right guy

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What if Brian really is the right guy, with the help of Eberflus. Who many fans wanted to be promoted to DC and then HC.
Eberflus can bring a toughness to the defense. As he did in Indy and Chicago. That can help the offense and they need it.

All fans wanted a younger HC, that could relate to the players better. Be somewhat innovative. Not saying that Schotty is that person.
But he is not a retread coach that many did not want anyway (but yet they complain Jerry did not go after any of them). Yes other candidates were out there. This seemed rushed all of a sudden after what seemed like Jerry was dragging his feet about it all.

But who are we fans to say who would be better, though we think we know. Moore? What qualifies Ben Johnson over anyone else, other than he actually has called plays with success for Detroit. But HC material, none of us knows. Carroll, Zimmer, Chucky?

I am not a big fan of this move. I did not like the way the FO went about this. We known their failures for years now. We will see how serious they are come FA to see if they are willing to actually improve the roster. Or is all of this for nothing, again.

I know what the answers and posts will be. Same old stuff that has been repeated 100 times in every thread.

So fellow Zoner's, here is a challenge. Think outside of that box in your head, and think ... what if he can be innovative and was held back by MM ...
He won't be good, and you know it. This is a classic Jerry move that everyone knows won't work, but they do it anyways. Kind of like the entire off-season last year.
 

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What if Brian really is the right guy, with the help of Eberflus. Who many fans wanted to be promoted to DC and then HC.
Eberflus can bring a toughness to the defense. As he did in Indy and Chicago. That can help the offense and they need it.

All fans wanted a younger HC, that could relate to the players better. Be somewhat innovative. Not saying that Schotty is that person.
But he is not a retread coach that many did not want anyway (but yet they complain Jerry did not go after any of them). Yes other candidates were out there. This seemed rushed all of a sudden after what seemed like Jerry was dragging his feet about it all.

But who are we fans to say who would be better, though we think we know. Moore? What qualifies Ben Johnson over anyone else, other than he actually has called plays with success for Detroit. But HC material, none of us knows. Carroll, Zimmer, Chucky?

I am not a big fan of this move. I did not like the way the FO went about this. We known their failures for years now. We will see how serious they are come FA to see if they are willing to actually improve the roster. Or is all of this for nothing, again.

I know what the answers and posts will be. Same old stuff that has been repeated 100 times in every thread.

So fellow Zoner's, here is a challenge. Think outside of that box in your head, and think ... what if he can be innovative and was held back by MM ...
At this point, it doesn’t matter. We will just have to see how it plays out because it’s too late to make any changes.
 

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So many guys are saying Brian might be a good coaching hire though he did not have any play calling duties. Yet many of the same members on this board where against hiring Eric bieniemy saying he "was not ready" because he did not have play calling duties as an OC in Kansas City.

Hmm. I wonder why the double standard?
Because the is what they do.
If Jerry does it, it sucks, if someone else does it, they are genius.
 

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Have you looked at the players he’s had in his career?

Hes had that luxury.

Ben also can scheme people open. Schotty can’t.
Ben had some really good players that worked great in his scheme. It can go both ways. A top talent WR can make an average QB great, or does a great QB make average WR's be great as well.
Even a great QB can only play well as his OL. See Mahomes losing a SB, as that may have been a big part of that.
 

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What if Brian really is the right guy, with the help of Eberflus. Who many fans wanted to be promoted to DC and then HC.
Eberflus can bring a toughness to the defense. As he did in Indy and Chicago. That can help the offense and they need it.

All fans wanted a younger HC, that could relate to the players better. Be somewhat innovative. Not saying that Schotty is that person.
But he is not a retread coach that many did not want anyway (but yet they complain Jerry did not go after any of them). Yes other candidates were out there. This seemed rushed all of a sudden after what seemed like Jerry was dragging his feet about it all.

But who are we fans to say who would be better, though we think we know. Moore? What qualifies Ben Johnson over anyone else, other than he actually has called plays with success for Detroit. But HC material, none of us knows. Carroll, Zimmer, Chucky?

I am not a big fan of this move. I did not like the way the FO went about this. We known their failures for years now. We will see how serious they are come FA to see if they are willing to actually improve the roster. Or is all of this for nothing, again.

I know what the answers and posts will be. Same old stuff that has been repeated 100 times in every thread.

So fellow Zoner's, here is a challenge. Think outside of that box in your head, and think ... what if he can be innovative and was held back by MM ...
There is always a chance. It's about probability of success. Identifying the gaps (riska) and mitigating. Is there a chance? Yes about 2%.

There is a 98% chancenof failure....failure in football success.
 

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You must be forgetting how this place was towards Quinn after that GB loss. He was being run out of town for the performance of the defense.

It really didn't matter who they hired. This place is has become the crybabyzone.
I get that but this place complains about everything. The only way would get no complaints is if Jerry said he and his family would step down from football operations and hire an outside GM.
 

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He won't be good, and you know it. This is a classic Jerry move that everyone knows won't work, but they do it anyways. Kind of like the entire off-season last year.
Oh I am not holding out any hope he will be the guy. But we never know. Only asking the question.
Dang, I feel like the radio guys Jerry chastised for asking a tough question. :laugh:
 

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He’s not the right guy.

He’s the bare minimum.
Honest question..........what proof you have he's not the right guy. He's never been a head coach so we know no more about him failing as Ben Johnson succeeding. Hell, no one knew how good Dan Campbell or Demarco Ryan would be but both have teams stacked with talent. You could be right but I saying we at this point we don't know.

BTW......as reminder, many did not want a rethread.
 

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There is always a chance. It's about probability of success. Identifying the gaps (riska) and mitigating. Is there a chance? Yes about 2%.

There is a 98% chancenof failure....failure in football success.
Only failure in the eyes of the fans that need to think outside the box sometimes.
Fans need to try it, it will not hurt, I promise. It can be exhilarating. :thumbup:
 

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What if Brian really is the right guy, with the help of Eberflus. Who many fans wanted to be promoted to DC and then HC.
Eberflus can bring a toughness to the defense. As he did in Indy and Chicago. That can help the offense and they need it.

All fans wanted a younger HC, that could relate to the players better. Be somewhat innovative. Not saying that Schotty is that person.
But he is not a retread coach that many did not want anyway (but yet they complain Jerry did not go after any of them). Yes other candidates were out there. This seemed rushed all of a sudden after what seemed like Jerry was dragging his feet about it all.

But who are we fans to say who would be better, though we think we know. Moore? What qualifies Ben Johnson over anyone else, other than he actually has called plays with success for Detroit. But HC material, none of us knows. Carroll, Zimmer, Chucky?

I am not a big fan of this move. I did not like the way the FO went about this. We known their failures for years now. We will see how serious they are come FA to see if they are willing to actually improve the roster. Or is all of this for nothing, again.

I know what the answers and posts will be. Same old stuff that has been repeated 100 times in every thread.

So fellow Zoner's, here is a challenge. Think outside of that box in your head, and think ... what if he can be innovative and was held back by MM ...

I'll give him a chance. Like I gave Rico Dowdle a chance.

My biggest issue with both these examples is the process that led us there. That doesn't mean it can't work. However, there were better options in both cases.

The worst part of this hiring is it gives me the impression absolutely nothing is changing. Same broken culture with the same negligent off season coming. Save as much money as possible.
 

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I get that but this place complains about everything. The only way would get no complaints is if Jerry said he and his family would step down from football operations and hire an outside GM.
No, there will be complaints on who that may be. Especially if the failures continue. That person will be called a puppet, and Jerry still controlling everything from his big boat.
Only if he sold the team, and we know that will not happen.
 

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I'll give him a chance. Like I gave Rico Dowdle a chance.

My biggest issue with both these examples is the process that led us there. That doesn't mean it can't work. However, there were better options in both cases.

The worst part of this hiring is it gives me the impression absolutely nothing is changing. Same broken culture with the same negligent off season coming. Save as much money as possible.
Can't disagree.
 
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Honest question..........what proof you have he's not the right guy. He's never been a head coach so we know no more about him failing as Ben Johnson succeeding. Hell, no one knew how good Dan Campbell or Demarco Ryan would be but both have teams stacked with talent. You could be right but I saying we at this point we don't know.

BTW......as reminder, many did not want a rethread.
What proof do you have that I am not an alien sent from the future to troll the Dallas Cowboys?
 

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He’s had plenty of chances and failed as an OC. I highly doubt more pressure and more responsibility usually doesn’t make people better or qualified.

He doesn’t run motion, his offense hasn’t been good anywhere he’s been. He hasn’t even been top 5 in offense in his career. The guy just isn’t good. If they bring in a young OC or something I may change my mind but I’m sorry this hire is terrible. There is 0 chance he does well. Couple the fact that he hasn’t been good, he’s also going to have to deal with a cheap FO, a QB who’s falling apart, and a VP of player personnel who doesn’t spend or extend his players until the end of the window.

This is the worst possible thing that could have happened. And I haven’t even scratched the surface yet.
It's almost exactly the same as Dinosaur Solari as the Cowboy oline coach.
You might have heard of the name from years ago and associated name recognition with supposed success.

But then you look him up and It's like you can hardly find a pass or run block ranking in the top 10 for a decade or more.

Just mediocre to poor results who has somehow found a way to stick around the league.
 

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What if Brian really is the right guy, with the help of Eberflus. Who many fans wanted to be promoted to DC and then HC.
Eberflus can bring a toughness to the defense. As he did in Indy and Chicago. That can help the offense and they need it.

All fans wanted a younger HC, that could relate to the players better. Be somewhat innovative. Not saying that Schotty is that person.
But he is not a retread coach that many did not want anyway (but yet they complain Jerry did not go after any of them). Yes other candidates were out there. This seemed rushed all of a sudden after what seemed like Jerry was dragging his feet about it all.

But who are we fans to say who would be better, though we think we know. Moore? What qualifies Ben Johnson over anyone else, other than he actually has called plays with success for Detroit. But HC material, none of us knows. Carroll, Zimmer, Chucky?

I am not a big fan of this move. I did not like the way the FO went about this. We known their failures for years now. We will see how serious they are come FA to see if they are willing to actually improve the roster. Or is all of this for nothing, again.

I know what the answers and posts will be. Same old stuff that has been repeated 100 times in every thread.

So fellow Zoner's, here is a challenge. Think outside of that box in your head, and think ... what if he can be innovative and was held back by MM ...
We have to wait and see and give him a chance. 25 years of learning maybe he’s the next TL or JJ. You never know
 

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Maybe Ben, and obvioulsy he had, the right players. Maybe Brian was not afforded that luxury.
Before he even had those great players though he was leading a top 10 offense. Brian had better players than what Johnson had early on and still did not build a better offense. Maybe he ends up good but its still a bad hire for the same reason you do not trade a first round pick for 5 7th round picks. Just because of those 7th round picks CAN work does not mean they are as likely to as a single 1st.
 

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What if Brian really is the right guy, with the help of Eberflus. Who many fans wanted to be promoted to DC and then HC.
Eberflus can bring a toughness to the defense. As he did in Indy and Chicago. That can help the offense and they need it.

All fans wanted a younger HC, that could relate to the players better. Be somewhat innovative. Not saying that Schotty is that person.
But he is not a retread coach that many did not want anyway (but yet they complain Jerry did not go after any of them). Yes other candidates were out there. This seemed rushed all of a sudden after what seemed like Jerry was dragging his feet about it all.

But who are we fans to say who would be better, though we think we know. Moore? What qualifies Ben Johnson over anyone else, other than he actually has called plays with success for Detroit. But HC material, none of us knows. Carroll, Zimmer, Chucky?

I am not a big fan of this move. I did not like the way the FO went about this. We known their failures for years now. We will see how serious they are come FA to see if they are willing to actually improve the roster. Or is all of this for nothing, again.

I know what the answers and posts will be. Same old stuff that has been repeated 100 times in every thread.

So fellow Zoner's, here is a challenge. Think outside of that box in your head, and think ... what if he can be innovative and was held back by MM ...
At the moment he's a part of the 'same ole' internal mess. Jerry's giving us his 'yes man'. If Schott shows something different he'll be lauded as the messiah....but until then the onus is on THEM, NOT US. We've bought the ticket promising: dreams and hope years ago.
He can't fool us again.
 

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At the moment he's a part of the 'same ole' internal mess. Jerry's giving us his 'yes man'. If Schott shows something different he'll be lauded as the messiah....but until then the onus is on THEM, NOT US. We've bought the ticket promising: dreams and hope years ago.
He can't fool us again.
Good post.....fair
 
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