Why do you hate Henson?

[Cochese]

ok, that doesn't mean he wasn't talented, Mike Mamula sucked in the NFL, but he was one of the most physically gifted athletes ever, and by NFL people's accounts, Henson is very talented, you have nothing

You called Chad Hutchinson a great talent.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

You called Chad Hutchinson a great talent.

and made you look stupid

sorry, I have more respect than you do for people who can make it to the professional level

 

[Cochese]

and made you look stupid

sorry, I have more respect than you do for people who can make it to the professional level

Come on, tell me Ryan Leaf was a great talent. What about Ron Powlus?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Come on, tell me Ryan Leaf was a great talent. What about Ron Powlus?

uh, why do you think LEaf went #2 overall? because his 1 good year in college? look at the reports on him, scouts loved him, it was his head that was the problem, and an eventual shoulder-injury

your argument is naive, shallow, and short-sighted

 

[Cochese]

uh, why do you think LEaf went #2 overall? because his 1 good year in college? look at the reports on him, scouts loved him, it was his head that was the problem, and an eventual shoulder-injury

your argument is naive, shallow, and short-sighted

Yes, because the scouts opinion is always right. Great talents accomplish great things, they dont fizzle out and accomplish nothing in their careers as athletes.

 

[sillycon]

Listen closely. Each buyout is negiotiated specifically in each contract, and in many cases the players do not get their entire contract when cut. Frank Thomas was due 10 million this season and was bought out at 3.5.

We're talking about options that are worded into the contract. It can be either a team or player option (in which the team/player can exercise that option). In Thomas's case, it was a team option so Frank had no say in it when the White Sox chose to exercise it.

As for Drew's baseball contract, there wasn't any options written into it. The only thing I remembered about the contract was that he was prohibited from playing football. He stood to make 17 million sucking it up in baseball if he wanted to and the Yankees were obligated to pay the entire 17 million no matter what (even if they released him). Drew saw the writing on the wall with his chances in baseball and decided to forego the rest of the contract by negotiating a buyout with the Yankees (which I'd imagine they were extremely happy to go along with it) and give it a shot with his 2nd love, football.

 

[Cochese]

We're talking about options that are worded into the contract. It can be either a team or player option (in which the team/player can exercise that option). In Thomas's case, it was a team option so Frank had no say in it when the White Sox chose to exercise it.

As for Drew's baseball contract, there wasn't any options written into it. The only thing I remembered about the contract was that he was prohibited from playing football. He stood to make 17 million sucking it up in baseball if he wanted to and the Yankees were obligated to pay the entire 17 million no matter what (even if they released him). Drew saw the writing on the wall with his chances in baseball and decided to forego the rest of the contract by negotiating a buyout with the Yankees (which I'd imagine they were extremely happy to go along with it) and give it a shot with his 2nd love, football.

Actually Frank had a player option for $10 million, accepted it, was boughtout for 3.5 million the next day.

 

[BadKarma]

Contract buyouts happen quite frequently.

Just for your edification, contract buys in MLB is done if they're negotiated by both parties. Salary arbitration - the term used when both parties attempt to settle compensation differences based on the player's performance, would be an option when the player has between 3-6 years accumulated in service of the existing contract.

Henson was due $2.2 million that year, plus $3.8 million the following year and another $6 million for '06. All GUARANTEED!

That's what remains of a six-year $17 million contract he signed in 2001.

 

[Cochese]

Just for your edification, contract buys in MLB is done if they're negotiated by both parties. Salary arbitration - the term used when both parties attempt to settle compensation differences based on the player's performance, would be an option when the player has between 3-6 years accumulated in service of the existing contract.

Henson was due $2.2 million that year, plus $3.8 million the following year and another $6 million for '06. All GUARANTEED!

That's what remains of a six-year $17 million contract he signed in 2001.

You are right, I was looking back for a website I used to have bookmarked that explained this in detailed language, but I couldnt find it. Those stupid Yankee *******s, though. Willing to piss money away on anything.

 

[BadKarma]

You are right, I was looking back for a website I used to have bookmarked that explained this in detailed language, but I couldnt find it. Those stupid Yankee *******s, though. Willing to piss money away on anything.

Agreed...I guess the Commanders are trying to use them as their business model but with less success.

 

[sillycon]

You are right, I was looking back for a website I used to have bookmarked that explained this in detailed language, but I couldnt find it. Those stupid Yankee *******s, though. Willing to piss money away on anything.

At the time, it seemed like a good deal. An avg of 3 mil and they have control over a few years of his arbitration years. The guy had fantastic physical tools but it never materialized into baseball skill (mainly, hitting a curveball...)

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Yes, because the scouts opinion is always right. Great talents accomplish great things, they dont fizzle out and accomplish nothing in their careers as athletes.

again, talent doesn't correlate to success, which is why I brought up Mamula, and which is why your argument is shallow

 

[dallen]

2 words: arse chin

 

[SuspectCorner]

to make it to the professional level, you have to be a great talent, to be able to play at 2 professional levels, you have to be a great talent, to say Henson isn't a great talent, is well...stupid

see, this is where i gotta roll my eyes.

henson is anything but a lock. but, from the moment he landed in Dallas, a faction of the fanbase started spouting words like "pedigree" - which, if they're talkin' 'bout his college football career, ain't really all that overwhelming. certainly not enuff to make me feel henson was entitled to anything more than a tryout. so some of you will have to excuse the rest of us if we're not ready to throw the crown of laurels at his feet.

i don't wish henson to fail. given our teams' QB situation over these last many years - how stupid would that be? i just wish fans would try to keep their feet on the ground when they talk about the guy. cuz if he was "all that and a bag of chips"... romo would be working on the golf game full-time. instead, romo is #2 to bledsoe's top banana - and henson is enjoying world-class sauerbraten.

i'll give henson this. he has the size you want in an NFL QB. nice arm strength, too. and he seems like a decent, intelligent, and motivated kid. but the biggest question remains... can he play NFL QB?

this whole thing is all about perspective. many fans have lost theirs... and some never had it to begin with. if were lucky... henson will maintain his.

i don't think any Cowboys fans hate drew henson. some are just highly annoyed at what we perceive as a sense of entitlement where henson is concerned.

we feel he should earn anything he gets. including praise - much of which, IMO, has been unwarranted.






shout out to "JustSayNoToTO" for the kickin' "Sheik Yerboutti" avatar. i just love Zappa. i can't look at a Gibson SG Special guitar and not think about that guy. he was an amazing composer, musician, and social wit.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

what are you talking about? I'm not saying Henson is entitled to anything, someone tried to question Henson's talent and I set him straight, and for the last time, talent has no bearing on future success or failure, and it's not so much praise as it is support for Henson, which alot of people should start thinking about doing...

 

[SuspectCorner]

what are you talking about? I'm not saying Henson is entitled to anything, someone tried to question Henson's talent and I set him straight, and for the last time, talent has no bearing on future success or failure, and it's not so much praise as it is support for Henson, which alot of people should start thinking about doing...

i didn't twist your arm to use phrases like "great talent".

my understanding of the word "great" is that it isn't exactly synonymous with "hasn't really done anything yet".

 

[BigDFan5]

Sorry, where do you get that I said I had a problem with players wanting to get experience? I said I had a problem with all of the "football is in my heart" routine instead of the 'I failed miserably at baseball, so I figured what the hell, why not football" routine which more than likely is closer to the truth.

He gave up 12 million guaranteed dollars to come to Dallas for almost minimum. There was obviously some love involved there

 

[BigDFan5]

You think the Yankees were going to keep paying him that guaranteed contract to hit barely above .200?

you do understand what the word guaranteed means right?

 

[BigDFan5]

Right, because the Yankees would pay him when he was hitting below the Mendoza line, the Yankees starting 3rd basemen was hurt but they got someone else to play instead. They werent going to give a AA ball player the $12 million left on his contract. Henson diddnt walk away from any guaranteed money. He would not have been around for much longer if he continued hitting below .200.

Wow man you don;t get it at all do you. They had no choice but to give him the remaining 12 mill its called guaranteed money, even if they cut him he still gets paid.

 

[SultanOfSix]

see, this is where i gotta roll my eyes.

but the biggest question remains... can he play NFL QB?

The same question that is asked of all QBs that are drafted to play in the NFL. Whether you're a first round pick of a seventh round pick is irrelevant to whether the player makes it in the NFL. Henson deserves as much a chance as anyone because he has "the tools", the right attitude (unlike Leaf and others), seems to be progressing quite nicely, and, by all accounts, would have been a first round pick (even the first pick) if he stayed at Michigan. I don't understand why anyone rags on the guy.