Will Julius Jones be traded? Espn....

[Doomsday101]

Barber got those runs in 3rd and long situations when the opponents defense was in nickel.

That is a crook to say he got those on 3rd and longs, Barber was getting series in the 2nd half of games and the offense seem to pickup steam in 2nd half of games after struggling in the 1st half of games. I think Barber had a heck of a lot to do with that. I like Jones but he goes down to easy and he is not showing himself as some great break away back, he has the speed but that speed is worthless if he can't break tackles from time to time.

 

[speedkilz88]

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It's been said here before, for me the issue is Jone's contract status. Let's say he has a 1400 yd season next year, what is he going to be worth as an UFA? $10 - $15 million guranteed? I really don't know. You willing to pay that? If not, you get nothing. Trade him now and you at least get draft pick(s).

If he has a great season is the reason you want to get rid of him? For crying out loud, if he has a great season then he gets a new contract. The Cowboys cap situation is fine, its in their best interest to keep their best players.

 

[4lifecowboy]

I want Jones to return as well but I don't agree about Barber. Dallas offense seem to struggle in the 1st half of game in the 2nd half Barber would start seeing more action and the offense started moving. Jones had way too many games 11 to be exact where he did very little in terms of establishing consistent rushing yards. I agree Jones should remain but he has to produce and no longer can Parcells be used as a scape goat. BP did not hurt Barber and he did not hurt Jones, JJ needs to step up and prove himself.

I have to assume your speaking of this past year, which i would agree with Barber was more consistant. But I'm speaking of they're NFL careers. Jones regressed this past season, but Parcells was speaking of him like he was progressing so what does that tell you. All I'm saying is that Jones has shown the kind of talent to dominate prior to this season and I don't think it was luck. And it will be a mistake to get rid of him before we see how he performs without Parcells in the equation.

 

[speedkilz88]

That is a crook to say he got those on 3rd and longs, Barber was getting series in the 2nd half of games and the offense seem to pickup steam in 2nd half of games after struggling in the 1st half of games. I think Barber had a heck of a lot to do with that. I like Jones but he goes down to easy and he is not showing himself as some great break away back, he has the speed but that speed is worthless if he can't break tackles from time to time.

Its fact that Barber got those (long) runs in 3rd in long situations, your the crock.

 

[Doomsday101]

Its fact that Barber got those runs in 3rd in long situations, your the crock.

It is not a fact at all if you want to make up stuff be my guest but you may be better off watching the games evidently you don't.

 

[speedkilz88]

It is not a fact at all if you want to make up stuff be my guest but you may be better off watching the games evidently you don't.

You are arguing about our 3rd down back you goof.:laugh2:

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

With all of this crock talk I figured someone might want to cook..

 

[Thick 'N Hearty]

Here's what I'd do. Keep JuJo for one more season and see how he performs with a better Oline. If he does perform well, sign him to an extension or a tender so we're not losing him for nothing. Not sure you can do that with a UFA. If he performs poorly, let him go.

 

[4lifecowboy]

That is a crook to say he got those on 3rd and longs, Barber was getting series in the 2nd half of games and the offense seem to pickup steam in 2nd half of games after struggling in the 1st half of games. I think Barber had a heck of a lot to do with that. I like Jones but he goes down to easy and he is not showing himself as some great break away back, he has the speed but that speed is worthless if he can't break tackles from time to time.

I have to agree with Barber being productive but he didn't defer from the style that got him to the pros. JJ on the other hand according to Parcells did, and he (Parcells) considered it an improvement. I'm not a fortune teller and maybe Jones may never again live up to the talent he displayed his first couple of years but I wouldn't get rid of him because one down year which seem to be what everyone base their assessment of him on.

 

[superpunk]

Marion Barber's stats on carries of third and 8 or more

11 carries for 93 yards.

That's 8% of his carries, and 14% of his yardage.

 

[Doomsday101]

You are arguing about our 3rd down back you goof.:laugh2:

Barber runs came when he entered the game taking the series meaning he was the main back through out the drive and in games against the Giants (1st meeting) he had a run of over 20 on a 2nd down, against Indy it was a 1st and 10 situation against Tampa 3rd and 1 and the giants 2nd meeting 3rd and 1 and in each instance he was the main back on those series he was not coming in on 3rd down. If you watched the games you would realize that in the 2nd half of game Parcells would put Barber in for series not just 3rd down or goal line situations.

 

[speedkilz88]

Barber runs came when he entered the game taking the series meaning he was the main back through out the drive and in games against the Giants (1st meeting) he had a run of over 20 on a 2nd down, against Indy it was a 1st and 10 situation against Tampa 3rd and 1 and the giants 2nd meeting 3rd and 1 and in each instance he was the main back on those series he was not coming in on 3rd down. If you watched the games you would realize that in the 2nd half of game Parcells would put Barber in for series not just 3rd down or goal line situations.

You were putting down JJ, because Barber had more 20+ runs. Its fact that JJ didn't get those 3rd and long runs(or passing situations) and Barber did and that is the discrepency in 20+ runs. Anyone that watches them can tell that Barber is not a deep threat back and that JJ is one.

 

[superpunk]

You were putting down JJ, because Barber had more 20+ runs. Its fact that JJ didn't get those 3rd and long runs(or passing situations) and Barber did and that is the discrepency in 20+ runs. Anyone that watches them can tell that Barber is not a deep threat back and that JJ is one.

Barber had only one run of more than 20 yards on third and long.

 

[montgod]

You were putting down JJ, because Barber had more 20+ runs. Its fact that JJ didn't get those 3rd and long runs(or passing situations) and Barber did and that is the discrepency in 20+ runs. Anyone that watches them can tell that Barber is not a deep threat back and that JJ is one.

This is one area that I had also thought about regarding Barber. He doesn't have the same breakaway speed.... at least not to the level of JJones.

It's too bad Thompson got hurt when he did, because he is a burner! I just hope he comes back to full speed so we can see what he can really do. This is in no way to say that he would replace either rb in jones or barber, just a side note.

 

[Doomsday101]

You were putting down JJ, because Barber had more 20+ runs. Its fact that JJ didn't get those 3rd and long runs(or passing situations) and Barber did and that is the discrepency in 20+ runs. Anyone that watches them can tell that Barber is not a deep threat back and that JJ is one.

What I'm saying is on those runs by Barber he was the main back through out the entire drive he was not just coming in on 3rd down. As for Jones I don't dislike him but what deep threat? He only had 5 runs all season long that went over 20 yards how in the heck is that being a deep threat? That is like having an empty gun it is a threat until you figure out it is empty. No doubt he has more speed but again that speed is meaningless if you can't break a tackle to use your speed. Being a RB has nothing to do with who is the fastest runner we are not trying to put together a track team and myself I do expect more from my starting RB, just the fact that many around here and those who cover the NFL who have asked why Barber is not getting more playing time says a lot about what many think of Jones ability. I hope it changes this season

 

[jay cee]

It's been said here before, for me the issue is Jone's contract status. Let's say he has a 1400 yd season next year, what is he going to be worth as an UFA? $10 - $15 million guranteed? I really don't know. You willing to pay that? If not, you get nothing. Trade him now and you at least get draft pick(s).

So you are saying, trade a player because he may rush for 1400 yards for you?

That's a novel idea on building a winning franchise.

 

[speedkilz88]

Barber had only one run of more than 20 yards on third and long.

You are using numbers to what you think is third and long, not when the Cowboys were in passing situations against nickel defenses.

 

[4lifecowboy]

Barber had only one run of more than 20 yards on third and long.

How many were in the 4th quarter? I don't want to get into a debate if Barber is productive or not, that is obvious but when you compare his talent to JJs I just feel JJ has more upside,it didn't seem so last year but when you look at their overall careers Jones has the talent to reap the most rewards between the two. Let next year playout before you right the guy off is all I'm saying.

 

[speedkilz88]

What I'm saying is on those runs by Barber he was the main back through out the entire drive he was not just coming in on 3rd down. As for Jones I don't dislike him but what deep threat? He only had 5 runs all season long that went over 20 yards how in the heck is that being a deep threat? That is like having an empty gun it is a threat until you figure out it is empty. No doubt he has more speed but again that speed is meaningless if you can't break a tackle to use your speed. Being a RB has nothing to do with who is the fastest runner we are not trying to put together a track team and myself I do expect more from my starting RB, just the fact that many around here and those who cover the NFL who have asked why Barber is not getting more playing time says a lot about what many think of Jones ability. I hope it changes this season

My point is JJ didn't ever face nickel defenses and Barber did. Which would allow bigger runs might I ask? Its pretty obvious, but the JJ haters don't want to listen.

 

[superpunk]

You are using numbers to what you think is third and long, not when the Cowboys were in passing situations against nickel defenses.

That might be because you said this;

You were putting down JJ, because Barber had more 20+ runs. Its fact that JJ didn't get those 3rd and long runs(or passing situations) and Barber did and that is the discrepency in 20+ runs. Anyone that watches them can tell that Barber is not a deep threat back and that JJ is one.

That is clearly not where the discrepancy lies.

Julius had one 20 yard run on 1st and 8-10 - so did Barber

Julius had one 20 yard run on 2nd and 8-10 - so did Barber

Julius had one 20 yard run on second and more than 11, and one on second and 3-7.

Barber had one on 3rd and 8-10 and one on 3rd and less than 2.

There is almost no difference in where their big plays came from.