with your offense and defense learning a new system...

[firehawk350]

I think you can tell that the camp is not going BAD, but I hold to my assertation that it's nearly impossible to tell if it's going well.

 

[firehawk350]

Do I need to remind you?

Vinny Testaverde
Chad Hutchinson
Quincy Carter
Drew Bledsoe

These were the major starters between Romo and Aikman. There were also a couple of minor starters of a game or 2.

Do I need to remind you that he playe din the Pro Bowl in 2006?

Do I need to remind you again, that he dates hot women, judges beauty contests, plays scratch golf, sings with rock bands, and is funny?

Yes, we love the guy. Get over it already.

I can care less if you love the guy. I care if he can play. Pro bowl doesn't mean hair on an ant's balls as to playing. Mike Vick made the first team in 05, lots of good it does now for the Falcons.

Your right, he's shown more potential then all those guys, but to compare him to the game's greats, at this point, is homerism.

 

[Hostile]

When I see something stupid (something I think is stupid), I'll call it stupid. I manage to not put my two cents in too much with some of the stroking sessions you guys had, where you claimed you are the kings of the NFL (Hos' embrace the hatred thread comes to mind). If you don't like it, I believe ignore works just fine.

How do I feel the right to criticize anybody, no matter how much I'm "on their turf"??? It's called the first amendment. I can say whatever it is I want, as long as I'm not badgering you or endangering anybody.

Not to rub salt in any potential wounds, but my "Embrace the Hatred" post wasn't about being kings of the NFL. It was about Cowboys fans (not any other team's fans) toughening up when the team or players get criticized, snubbed for honors, or basically just no love given.

Oh, and the 1st Amendment has nothing whatsoever to do with what is posted on a message board.

 

[Stash]

Yeah, your right. Your right, you can ban me. I doubt I'd lose much sleep to it, but it's obvious that this message board's leadership, or ownership, DOES care about free speech so if you disagree with me, fine, I don't care. Disagree.

But, you are "feeling good" about your team on your space, then call other people homers for feeling good about their team on their space and that, my friend, is hypocritical.

You can have your rah-rah threads, where everyone gets excited about the 07 Boys and for the most part, I stay outta those. That's fine, I get excited about the Skins. But, don't rag on people if, on their team's message boards, they do the same thing.

In case you missed it the first 3 times I mentioned it, I don't go there.

I don't care what they think or what they say.

But I'm not gonna listen to some 'Skins fan come into a Cowboys forum and have the nerve to tell the posters what they should or shouldn't be allowed to say.

Here's an idea:

Go badmouth the Cowboys on your own board.

You'll probably get a great response for the thread.

And then when 5-11 rolls around again, you'll have plenty of 'shoulders to cry on'.

:cry2:

 

[DallasEast]

I can care less if you love the guy. I care if he can play. Pro bowl doesn't mean hair on an ant's balls as to playing. Mike Vick made the first team in 05, lots of good it does now for the Falcons.

Your right, he's shown more potential then all those guys, but to compare him to the game's greats, at this point, is homerism.

Well, at this point in his career, he certainly has Joe Theisman beat by a country mile, that's for sure.

 

[AsthmaField]

I can care less if you love the guy.

How much less can you care? Does that mean that you care 'pretty much'?

 

[Hostile]

I can care less if you love the guy. I care if he can play. Pro bowl doesn't mean hair on an ant's balls as to playing. Mike Vick made the first team in 05, lots of good it does now for the Falcons.

Your right, he's shown more potential then all those guys, but to compare him to the game's greats, at this point, is homerism.

Does it hurt talking out of both sides of your face like that?

First you said we gush about him more than Colts fans do Manning.

Now you say you don't care if we love the guy.

Which is it man? Make up your mind and let us know.

 

[firehawk350]

So, our training camp sucks because our starting two tackles haven't participated? Damn, it's a good thing they have some starting experience to fall back on in the established offense, eh?

Well it's definitely not a good sign. I never said the camp was going bad, but the only thing you said that can be verified is false. You aren't getting max participation, you have 40% of your starting OL out.

Why is our projected fourth wide receiver scaring you guys, anyway? Better question. Why do you care if Burnett is hurt? He is a b-a-c-k-u-p, right?

Who said that the fourth WR is scaring anybody? He's doing well in camps. I remember a player by the name of Taylor Jacobs who did well in all the Skins' camps. He sucked at gametime. Just because he had a good week of practice doesn't mean much. Burnett is hurt, so what, it's just a response to your "everyone's participating" idiocy.

Try asking about Terry Glenn's health if you want to make your comments more viable in this thread.

I know about Terry Glenn's health. He went out with for a practice or two and now he's back in. Whopee...

If you don't understand the two atmospheres, which surrounded Parcells and his players and Phillips with his players, you'll never understand how well the coaches and players will interact--regardless of your personal opinion.

Yes, I understand Parcells ran a much tighter, more disciplined camp. Phillips runs a much looser. You are assuming that Phillips has the better way. I'm not assuming anything. If he comes out and leads the cowboys to a hot start, then it works best for the Cowboys. That's fine, but we just don't know yet.

What I hope is irrevelent. What is actually happening is revelant. Our team had a good week of camp. That's all that's important. How's that reply to BigDFan5 going?

Let me take a look at BigDFan5's reply, I never saw it as I'm having to talk to 5 of you guys at once.

 

[firehawk350]

Not to rub salt in any potential wounds, but my "Embrace the Hatred" post wasn't about being kings of the NFL. It was about Cowboys fans (not any other team's fans) toughening up when the team or players get criticized, snubbed for honors, or basically just no love given.

Oh, and the 1st Amendment has nothing whatsoever to do with what is posted on a message board.

Let me take a look at it, but I'm telling you right now, that everyone was like, YEAH, we're the COWBOYS! They are just JEALOUS!! YEAH!!! That's just the impression I got.

 

[YosemiteSam]

:suxskins: :skins:

 

[Hostile]

Let me take a look at it, but I'm telling you right now, that everyone was like, YEAH, we're the COWBOYS! They are just JEALOUS!! YEAH!!! That's just the impression I got.

Reading Comprehension 101.

If you want, I can hit the highlights of it for you. You need to look no further than the opening lines about people whining about Aikman being critical to get the gist of the post.

Oh, and some people are jealous. Ask me if a give a flying crap.

 

[Vintage]

I think you can tell that the camp is not going BAD, but I hold to my assertation that it's nearly impossible to tell if it's going well.

So you can only tell if a camp is going bad or "not going bad?"

Wow.

You stretch to pathetic reasoning.

Coaches talk about players who've had good camps and players who didn't all the time. Guess they are wrong. Perhaps they should consult the oracles of wisdom that you offer.

Training camp tells you who is playing good at that particular time. Doesn't mean it will hold over to the season, but it doesn't mean it wont either.

Right now, we are having a pretty good camp. You can try and spin it anyway you want, but this isn't the Campo era all over again.

What we do know is this:

Our offense was elite last year. Top 5 IIRC. Our defense was above average last year, despite the plunge at the end of the season 13th IIRC.

So when our defense does well against our offense, its reason to be optimistic. Yeah, spout off that Romo hasn't proven anything, fine. But Witten, Owens, Glenn have proven plenty. Crayton has proven a capable #3 WR the past couple of years. Fasano is improving. Though we may lack a dynamic RB, we do have a productive RB tandem.

So yeah, our offense is proven. If our defense is doing well against them, I'd say its a good sign.

 

[dogunwo]

Tiki Barber, but he's gone now.

doesnt look like "Cowboy killa" Strahan is coming back either.

 

[firehawk350]

So, our training camp sucks because our starting two tackles haven't participated? Damn, it's a good thing they have some starting experience to fall back on in the established offense, eh?

Why is our projected fourth wide receiver scaring you guys, anyway? Better question. Why do you care if Burnett is hurt? He is a b-a-c-k-u-p, right?

Try asking about Terry Glenn's health if you want to make your comments more viable in this thread.

If you don't understand the two atmospheres, which surrounded Parcells and his players and Phillips with his players, you'll never understand how well the coaches and players will interact--regardless of your personal opinion.

What I hope is irrevelent. What is actually happening is revelant. Our team had a good week of camp. That's all that's important. How's that reply to BigDFan5 going?

I didn't see bigdfan respond to anything I said. If you could kindly point it out to me, I'll respond.

 

[dogunwo]

not sure how my skins will do..I do know we are very talented..in the past when i predict a great season we come up short,when i down play the season we make the playoffs and win a playoff game..So i temper my feelings this upcoming season..

You must have downplayed the season only one time then in the recent past.

 

[Vintage]

Well it's definitely not a good sign. I never said the camp was going bad, but the only thing you said that can be verified is false. You aren't getting max participation, you have 40% of your starting OL out.

Adams is back. Your point?

Colombo will be back soon, according to the reports. While its not great that he is missing time, its nothing I would be too overly concerned about. Would I worry if, say, Chris Samuels missed time or Jon Jansen for you guys? Not really.

Who said that the fourth WR is scaring anybody? He's doing well in camps. I remember a player by the name of Taylor Jacobs who did well in all the Skins' camps. He sucked at gametime. Just because he had a good week of practice doesn't mean much. Burnett is hurt, so what, it's just a response to your "everyone's participating" idiocy.

Then why are you so concerned about Stanback? We drafted him to develop. And by all intents and purposes, he is behind Hurd on the depth chart anyway. Him missing time only hurts his chances at developing faster. I doubt he'd have much of an impact anyway this year because he is not going to beat out Crayton.

Yes, I understand Parcells ran a much tighter, more disciplined camp. Phillips runs a much looser. You are assuming that Phillips has the better way. I'm not assuming anything. If he comes out and leads the cowboys to a hot start, then it works best for the Cowboys. That's fine, but we just don't know yet.

Ahhhh.....finally to the point where I was wondering if you were going to mention. If Wade's ship is so loose, why did guys like Bradie James, Bobby Carpenter, Demarcus Ware, Roy Williams, Akin Ayodele, Marcus Spears, Canty, etc go above and beyond to lose weight?

 

[AsthmaField]

Adams practiced today, I guess that's a good sign. On the flip side TG goes out with swelling in the knee. Burnett got waylayed in the head, he's day to day. No major injuries to this point which is a good sign.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=91187

Well, no Mickey... that isn't a good sign... it merely isn't a bad one.

 

[firehawk350]

So you can only tell if a camp is going bad or "not going bad?"

Wow.

You stretch to pathetic reasoning.

Coaches talk about players who've had good camps and players who didn't all the time. Guess they are wrong. Perhaps they should consult the oracles of wisdom that you offer.

So your a coach now???

Training camp tells you who is playing good at that particular time. Doesn't mean it will hold over to the season, but it doesn't mean it wont either.

exactly, you don't know!

Right now, we are having a pretty good camp. You can try and spin it anyway you want, but this isn't the Campo era all over again.

Right now, you think you are having a good camp. That's all. I don't think even the coaches have come out and said, yes, this is a good camp.

What we do know is this:

Our offense was elite last year. Top 5 IIRC. Our defense was above average last year, despite the plunge at the end of the season 13th IIRC.

So when our defense does well against our offense, its reason to be optimistic. Yeah, spout off that Romo hasn't proven anything, fine. But Witten, Owens, Glenn have proven plenty. Crayton has proven a capable #3 WR the past couple of years. Fasano is improving. Though we may lack a dynamic RB, we do have a productive RB tandem.

Your offense was good last year. I guess last year guarantees a good year this year. Your defense average last year, 13 is BARELY above average. When your defense does well, fine, be optimistic. Witten, Owens and Glenn can't do crap if Romo doesn't get them the ball. So it rests on him. Having great receivers means nothing with a QB. Fasano is having a good camp, which again, doesn't mean anything on the field. Your RB tandem is above average, not anything you can rely on if Romo isn't what you believe him to be.

Do you have reasons to be excited??? Sure, but you also have reasons to temper your excitement if you detest the taste of crow.

So yeah, our offense is proven. If our defense is doing well against them, I'd say its a good sign.

Your offense is in a new system, with somebody new calling the plays. It's not proven yet.

 

[AsthmaField]

guys like Bradie James, Bobby Carpenter, Demarcus Ware, Roy Williams, Akin Ayodele, Marcus Spears, Canty, etc go above and beyond to lose weight?

Yet another go... er, not a bad sign.

 

[AsthmaField]

exactly, you don't know!

Nobody on here said that we know we'll have a good season. We said training camp is going well. Geez.