Witness claims Ezekiel Elliott was not involved in altercation **merged**

Doomsday101

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And your point is what? I can't hold him accountable but the NFL can. You guys sot here and defend him like nothing is wrong and we're the bad guys for calling him out and being concerned.

One question, do you think Jerry is ok with all of this?


I agree, for other patrons if they are involved in an incident even if arrested they get bailed out and move on, the athlete well his problems are just beginning. It can cost you big time and it can cost the team you play for big when you lose a player for multiple games. In this case it appears that Zeke is innocent of any wrong doing, thankfully people there are vouching for him but there is no doubt he runs a greater risk than the avg guy.
 

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He's getting paid a gajillion dolllars to carry a football for an NFL team. He doesn't get that luxury of being just like everyone else. He's not just like everyone else, and that's the truth of it.

That's a load of bs and you know it. Athletes period have been partying forever so idk what twisted truth you believe
 

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This is précisley why you wait until all the facts present themselves before getting all lathered up one way or the other.

Very true. The one thing that does concern me is the possibility of substance or alcohol abuse

Not based on morality but only on how it could potentially affect his performance

I'm a Cowboys fan ; not his Dad
 

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I really don't get how legit publications can be allowed to publish and slander a person's name like that with zero consequences. There was not one ounce of evidence that Zeke did anything. He was just there. Yet he was crucified all day long nationwide. It's pathetic. ESPN and Schefter (the biggest hack in the NFL reporting) ran with this early. The Fan as well. So many made up clickbait titles. And everyone just believed them. Based on what? A few random tweets from random people who have zero credibility.

Do people really think there would not be video of Zeke laying out someone to the point where they have to go to the hospital? Please! In today's social media era, that stuff would be all over the web. Someone would have sold that to TMZ. But no, nothing at all. Why? Because he had zero to do with it.

I can't believe people fall for this clickbait junk constantly.
Great post!
 

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Yeah I knew that would be the answer. I almost put that in my post, but wanted to hear it.

It's great everyone wants him to behave a certain way. The way they would or the way that would make their football team better in their view. Good luck with it.

Going to a night club isn't a bad situation. A guy was drunk and acted like an idiot(maybe) and got knocked out. Elliott was nearby or maybe he hit him. Either way this is a completely normal environment for an American in his or her twenties. Many of you will have to live with that.

I've said it many times in the other thread. I don't care if Elliott is cocky. I don't care if Elliott thinks he's the cat's meow. I don't care if Elliott is a ****** off the field. I don't care if he wants to go to a bar or restaurant or club some nights. I don't care if he wants to stay out to 4AM and party in his off time.

I do care when he ends up at a club or bar and is in a situation where something happened like what happened a couple of nights ago. Because the possibilities of negative outcomes is huge. Maybe his buddy misses the DJ and the DJ cracks Elliott in the face and breaks an eye socket. Or maybe Elliott loses his cool and a brawl starts up.

I am sure guys like Tyron Smith and Zach Martin and Byron Jones like to go out with friends and party a little. And yet you never hear stories about how a fight broke out around them or how they just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Because I suspect they are always aware of what's going on around them and to not end up in a situation where Elliott sometimes finds himself. We need to stop acting like this is just bad luck for Elliott. It's his choices that put him in these situations, even if he didn't throw a punch here.
 

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That's a load of bs and you know it. Athletes period have been partying forever so idk what twisted truth you believe

Athletes have been partying forever.

And a majority don't end up in sticky or bad situations. That's the point. Elliott can go out and have fun but he needs to be better at understanding his surroundings and also realizing that maybe he doesn't have to push it so far when out.

As asked above, do you think the Jones' and Garrett are happy with this, even if he didn't throw the punch? Of course not. I guarantee Elliott will get a talking to by the front office, if they haven't already given him a lecture.
 
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I don't care who threw the punch. While I'll be happy if Zeke avoids a suspension, the guy is a grenade with the pin pulled....one thing after another all the time. If he doesn't make some serious changes, a second contract may not be in his future.

I love Zeke's talent. And was in favor of drafting him at 4 last year. But all of this does make you wonder if Ramsey last year + RB in round 2/3 this year would have been the better long term strategy. It would not have gotten us 13-3 last year, but might have set us up better long term if we are going to be facing serial suspensions with Zeke.
 

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Athletes have been partying forever.

And a majority don't end up in sticky or bad situations. That's the point. Elliott can go out and have fun but he needs to be better at understanding his surroundings and also realizing that maybe he doesn't have to push it so far when out.

As asked above, do you think the Jones' and Garrett are happy with this, even if he didn't throw the punch? Of course not. I guarantee Elliott will get a talking to by the front office, if they haven't already given him a lecture.

I agree. People love to say when they were his age they would go out and raise hell and have a great time, Zeke and other athletes are not your avg guys. The risk for them is great in terms of money and their overall career. This is why guys like Chris Carter would talk to guys at rookie orientation to tell them of the pitfalls and the risk they face. I don't expect guys to just sit at home but they need to be aware of what is going on around them and when things are getting out of hand you need to get out of there. It is not worth it.
 

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That's a load of bs and you know it. Athletes period have been partying forever so idk what twisted truth you believe

What's bs? That Zeke is just a regular guy?
Unfortunately, the law places more of a burden on celebrities and public figures to prove libel/slander.
Zeke is a celebrity. In that regard, he's not the same as your average Joe.
 

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Athletes have been partying forever.

And a majority don't end up in sticky or bad situations. That's the point. Elliott can go out and have fun but he needs to be better at understanding his surroundings and also realizing that maybe he doesn't have to push it so far when out.

As asked above, do you think the Jones' and Garrett are happy with this, even if he didn't throw the punch? Of course not. I guarantee Elliott will get a talking to by the front office, if they haven't already given him a lecture.
A++++++ for situational awareness on the field.
F----------- for situational awareness off the field.

If only he could understand and read his surroundings off the field like he does on but he's either too dumb or arrogant, possibly a combination of both.
 

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Not to be overly cynical, but this witness/bouncer could just as easily want to get a job/get paid by EE. I just find it hard to believe that someone could throw a punch over EE's shoulder and connect with such force as to destroy that cat's nose. But this was a high end club. No doubt there is video from inside.​
You could be right. I'm not ruling anything out in this. It's just my opinion that he's shooting straight, but I could be wrong. I think the truth will come out, but this also could end up being one of those instances where you have conflicting witness accounts and we never definitively get the real story. Anyways, I'll cool my jets on an opinion of guilt or innocence until something more definitive comes out, if it ever does.
 

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I agree. I find the bouncer's account a bit too convenient. If Zeke did not throw the punch, why did he leave so fast and before the police arrived? There must be video that will settle things.
It does look suspicious, but at the same time, even if Zeke didn't throw the punch, if I'm in his "posse" and violence erupts, I'm like "come on Zeke it's time to get out of here." So "escorting" him out of there is a normal response either way since he's under such a microscope right now.
 

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I love Zeke's talent. And was in favor of drafting him at 4 last year. But all of this does make you wonder if Ramsey last year + RB in round 2/3 this year would have been the better long term strategy. It would not have gotten us 13-3 last year, but might have set us up better long term if we are going to be facing serial suspensions with Zeke.

Good point. Both are major talents but if Zekes off the field endeavors cause him to lose playing time than history will say we made the wrong choice

I still maintain however, that at number 4 pick I would rather have a player that gets 25 to 30 touches a game rather than a Db/safety hybrid who may or may not be a game changer
 

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So Zeke is innocent? Tired of the media turning into Tabloids. Even so Zeke needs to be careful when he's out and about. He's got a lot of people gunning for him.
 

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:espn:... organizations like this have absolutely no problem dragging an athletes name through the mud as long as it means making a buck but ignore bad business decisions in lieu of "social justice". It makes no sense. Stop killing your own business!

Unfortunately, fox sports, associated press and other once respected outlets are guilty as well

Once a major news outlet operates unethically and reaps the rewards of increased viewership and sponsorship the other ones have chosen to play the same game. It's just a reflection of society.

Everyone who isn't living under a rock knows that journalism is dead.
 

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...but this also could end up being one of those instances where you have conflicting witness accounts and we never definitively get the real story.

This is what I'm banking on. Luckily for Zeke this happened locally. Even if there is surveillance or an employee of the club witnessed something not in Zeke's favor I think they would do everything that could to protect him.
 

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I really don't get how legit publications can be allowed to publish and slander a person's name like that with zero consequences. There was not one ounce of evidence that Zeke did anything. He was just there. Yet he was crucified all day long nationwide. It's pathetic. ESPN and Schefter (the biggest hack in the NFL reporting) ran with this early. The Fan as well. So many made up clickbait titles. And everyone just believed them. Based on what? A few random tweets from random people who have zero credibility.

Do people really think there would not be video of Zeke laying out someone to the point where they have to go to the hospital? Please! In today's social media era, that stuff would be all over the web. Someone would have sold that to TMZ. But no, nothing at all. Why? Because he had zero to do with it.

I can't believe people fall for this clickbait junk constantly.

Welcome to freedom of the press. Welcome to freedom in general.

There are blessings and curses associated with living in a free society. One of which is we are free to disseminate information - good or bad. And if you think this is bad, talk to citizens from North Korea (I'm not trying to be smart-aleck. It's hard to convey tone on the Internet).

The press has the right to gather information and disseminate that information. For the most part, Adam Schefter and other media outlets first reported that Zeke was at a bar where an incident occurred. Then after talking to witnesses, they said Zeke was involved. Then, according to THIS witness (and we don't know if he's telling the truth), Zeke wasn't involved.

This is the evolving nature of a news story. It used to be slower when we just had newspapers. It got a bit faster with the invention of radio ... faster with television and even faster with social media. Unfortunately, there's no way to put the technological genie back in the bottle so you're going to be dealing with this from hence forth.

As for slander/libel, Zeke is a public figure, a celebrity. His burden of proof is greater than your average Joe. And he would have to prove 1.) malice (It's hard to prove malice when your first story merely said he was at a bar where an incident occurred) and 2.) How the allegations damaged him financially.

Unfortunately, Zeke has to understand some things about being a celebrity, especially in the day and age of social media. He has to understand some thing about responsibility. He has to understand some things about being a Dallas Cowboy.

Now, you asked the question (I paraphrase) about why would people not have video taped the fight if Zeke actually threw it. The opposite could be true too. If Zeke didn't why don't we see any video that shows someone other than him throwing the punch?
The truth is maybe people weren't anticipating a fight. Maybe Zeke had been at the bar a while and people videoed him initially then stopped. People may have their phones, but they're not recording every moment of a celebrity when he walks into a bar, restaurant, etc. That's a bit too intrusive of one's privacy.

Be that as it may, the truth will come out. That's the benefit too of living in a free society. :)
 
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