Would Wade have had the guts to call that onside kick that Payton called?

[sonnyboy]

First, it wasn't as much a gutsy call as it was a calculated call.

Sean Payton advised the officials before the game that he may try an on-sides kick.

What he saw on film was that the left side of the front line of the Colts receiving team liked to cheat a little and would always turn and run before the ball was kicked instead of waiting for the ball to go over their heads.

Film study...not "Gut's and Glory". Payton saw an opportunity and took it. It worked. Blame the Colts for bad special team’s discipline as much as praising Payton for a “gutsy” call.

That's the key. I'm sure every coach that ever made this call, saw the same thing in the film study.
But I don't think the receiving players even need to turn their heads, just a few too many steps backwards before contact is made is all that's needed.

If I were the HC/ST Coach making this call, I'd put it on my kicker. If the receiving players on that side of the field take a couple steps back, kick onsides, if they maintain discpline and wait for contact, kick away.

The kicking team and kicker are running like an ordinary KO anyway. Shouldn't be a problem for the kicker to make that spilt second decision.

 

[The Realist]

Mainly because I detest Sean Payton and the entire Saints organization from their senile owner to the tailor park trash tight end, to the disgusting, whining city that they call home. Good enough reason?

Those are very valid reasons for Low IQ mouth breathers.

Not saying that's what you are.

I'm just saying.

I'm sure you have well founded reasons for hating everything related to NO.

 

[CF74]

First, it wasn't as much a gutsy call as it was a calculated call.

Sean Payton advised the officials before the game that he may try an on-sides kick.

What he saw on film was that the left side of the front line of the Colts receiving team liked to cheat a little and would always turn and run before the ball was kicked instead of waiting for the ball to go over their heads.

Film study...not "Gut's and Glory". Payton saw an opportunity and took it. It worked. Blame the Colts for bad special team’s discipline as much as praising Payton for a “gutsy” call.

That is very interesting and brings new meaning to this discussion. Do you have a link or a video clip of this? Not saying I don't believe you but I'd like to read more about it.

Well it's the success rate on surprise onside kicks that matters. I'd guess it's well above 50%, but we are talking about a small sample here. Big difference when you have the hands team waiting 10 yards away.

The only one I can remember not working, was the one Reid tried to pull on us in 2003 that we return for a game opening TD.

Every other one I can actually remember, worked.

Ahhhh so the element of surprise has it's advantages then. Hmmm, what a marvel concept...

 

[sonnyboy]

Mainly because I detest Sean Payton and the entire Saints organization from their senile owner to the tailor park trash tight end, to the disgusting, whining city that they call home. Good enough reason?

Ya, it sounded like you fell into this category:

I'm wondering if all the posters disagreeing with these calls are actually bitter that the Saints won and refuse to give credit where it's due.

 

[Dodger]

Yes, I support Wade Phillips.

That is what you are asking about, right?

 

[utrunner07]

Ya, it sounded like you fell into this category:

I'm wondering if all the posters disagreeing with these calls are actually bitter that the Saints won and refuse to give credit where it's due.

Probably so.

 

[utrunner07]

Those are very valid reasons for Low IQ mouth breathers.

Not saying that's what you are.

I'm just saying.

I'm sure you have well founded reasons for hating everything related to NO.

Actually I am a nose breather.

 

[Concord]

Never in a million years.

 

[LucaBrasi]

The onside kick took alot of guts I know that. It was a "great" call because it worked as many have mentioned.

I thought the call to go for it on 4th and 1 before the half was absolutely the right call. The play call not so great, but the strategy was sound. You leave the Colts down inside the 5 with 1:55 left in the half and they have to call plays conservatively. Payton made the right call there and was rewarded with a 3 and out and the fg anyway.

 

[fffiasco]

I think payton knew his defense wouldn't be able to stop the colts if they started around the 20 or around the 50. That being said I don't think wade would do that since he probably trusts his defense more than payton does.

 

[jman]

That is very interesting and brings new meaning to this discussion. Do you have a link or a video clip of this? Not saying I don't believe you but I'd like to read more about it.




Ahhhh so the element of surprise has it's advantages then. Hmmm, what a marvel concept...

Peter King's MMQB...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/peter_king/02/08/mmqb.superbowl/index.html?eref=sihp

When the Saints looked at the Colts on tape, they saw two up-men on the front line of the Indy kick-return team cheating. That is, when the kicker approached the ball, two guys on the right of the kick-return unit -- as the kickoff team looked ahead, to the left -- turned and began retreating to set up their blocks for a return just before the ball was kicked. So when Payton saw this, he figured the Saints would definitely try an onside kick at some point of the game.

In each of their three practices last week, the Saints worked on the onside kick five times. They christened it "Ambush'' for the element of surprise, obviously. And they practiced it the same way every time: with Morstead, the neophyte, approaching the ball from the left, as right-footed soccer-style kickers do, and kicking the ball almost across his body to the left, to the exact spot where the Saints thought the two Colts would be leaving early. Payton knew he wouldn't try the kick early in the game; he wanted time to set the Colts up. Before the game, he made a point to talk to ref Scott Green and his crew to be on the lookout for it so they wouldn't be surprised, and so they'd be ready to determine possession in the inevitable scrum.


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[bbgun]

I didn't think it took a lot of guts. They were only down 10-6 at the time, with 30 minutes left to play. If Indy recovers and the Saints hold them to 3 (very plausible), they'd only be down by 7 points with an eternity left to play.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

I would not have called it making that call is not great it was a major risk that very well could have backfired and had it back fired all those giving him a pat on the back today would be mocking him instead.

bingo

the decision was made, the fact it succeeded does not make it a great decision. Had the Colts fallen on it, Payton would have been crucified.

 

[CF74]

Peter King's MMQB...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/peter_king/02/08/mmqb.superbowl/index.html?eref=sihp

When the Saints looked at the Colts on tape, they saw two up-men on the front line of the Indy kick-return team cheating. That is, when the kicker approached the ball, two guys on the right of the kick-return unit -- as the kickoff team looked ahead, to the left -- turned and began retreating to set up their blocks for a return just before the ball was kicked. So when Payton saw this, he figured the Saints would definitely try an onside kick at some point of the game.

In each of their three practices last week, the Saints worked on the onside kick five times. They christened it "Ambush'' for the element of surprise, obviously. And they practiced it the same way every time: with Morstead, the neophyte, approaching the ball from the left, as right-footed soccer-style kickers do, and kicking the ball almost across his body to the left, to the exact spot where the Saints thought the two Colts would be leaving early. Payton knew he wouldn't try the kick early in the game; he wanted time to set the Colts up. Before the game, he made a point to talk to ref Scott Green and his crew to be on the lookout for it so they wouldn't be surprised, and so they'd be ready to determine possession in the inevitable scrum.


Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/peter_king/02/08/mmqb.superbowl/index.html?eref=sihp#ixzz0eyZDHmTj
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Sweet!!! Thanks for ze link...

 

[Doomsday101]

bingo

the decision was made, the fact it succeeded does not make it a great decision. Had the Colts fallen on it, Payton would have been crucified.

and had Wade did it people would claim how weak he was in not trusting his defense to do the job. Those who are Phillip critics will find anything they can to rip him. Fact is no other HC had done that in SB history so that tells me more coaches would play it a bit closer to the vest than what NO did last night.

Fact is Wade has gone for 4th and 1 in the Minn game he went for a makeable FG to try and get points on the board but it did not happen but I have the feeling many of those who are complaining about not going for it on 4th and 1 would have complained had we gone for it and failed.

 

[AMERICAS_FAN]

It's funny, It worked and he's a hero, but if it didn't, Indy scores on a short field and wins the SB.

There's a fine line between hero and chump.

Good call??? I didn't think so, but hindsight's 20/20.

It was a stupid call and Payton is lucky his players executed him out of a horrible coaching moment.

 

[CF74]

and had Wade did it people would claim how weak he was in not trusting his defense to do the job. Those who are Phillip critics will find anything they can to rip him. Fact is no other HC had done that in SB history so that tells me more coaches would play it a bit closer to the vest than what NO did last night.

Fact is Wade has gone for 4th and 1 in the Minn game he went for a makeable FG to try and get points on the board but it did not happen but I have the feeling many of those who are complaining about not going for it on 4th and 1 would have complained had we gone for it and failed.

People will complain either way. As the league is slowly going towards younger "Riskier" coaches we will see less "Close to the Vest" play calling and more rolling of the dice. Just like how the league is more passing than running. It's evolving before our eyes...

 

[Doomsday101]

People will complain either way. As the league is slowly going towards younger "Riskier" coaches we will see less "Close to the Vest" play calling and more rolling of the dice. Just like how the league is more passing than running. It's evolving before our eyes...

We will see more coaches fired for being stupid then. He won that risk that however does not make it a great call. Had the colts recovered of the saints kick out of bounds people would not be singing the praises of the call. When Andy Reid did it to us the 1st time people called it great yet a couple of seasons later he does it and we return in for a TD no one thought it was great. I don't think young coaches mean riskier calls I think Peyton took a chances and got lucky

 

[CF74]

We will see more coaches fired for being stupid then. He won that risk that however does not make it a great call. Had the colts recovered of the saints kick out of bounds people would not be singing the praises of the call. When Andy Reid did it to us the 1st time people called it great yet a couple of seasons later he does it and we return in for a TD no one thought it was great. I don't think young coaches mean riskier calls I think Peyton took a chances and got lucky

I had similar sentiments till I was enlightened to the fact that it was a "Calculated" risk. Scroll up to post # 71...

 

[hawklegion]

I didn't like the call. If it failed he is a goat today, but it worked so he is a genius. Payton was luck. Sometimes being lucky is better then being smart.