Would you like to see Drew Bledsoe back next year?

[blindzebra]

I voted no, for no other reason that then we would not have to see 2,000 Bledsoe threads a day from you.

 

[Hostile]

Read what you just wrote please.

...but in 3 years we've made the playoffs once with CARTER as our qb.

IF we can make the playoffs with Carter and win 10 games then don't you think we can win a Super Bowl with Bledsoe? You are big on the historical argument with Bledsoe yet he has already been to a Super Bowl. Kinda hard to realistically argue a guy can't do something he has already done.

I want to have the best team I could care less who has the best QB.

It isn't mutually exclusive though is it? Or haven't you taken a look at the playoff QBs this year?

 

[iceberg]

Read what you just wrote please.

...but in 3 years we've made the playoffs once with CARTER as our qb.

IF we can make the playoffs with Carter and win 10 games then don't you think we can win a Super Bowl with Bledsoe? You are big on the historical argument with Bledsoe yet he has already been to a Super Bowl. Kinda hard to realistically argue a guy can't do something he has already done.

I want to have the best team I could care less who has the best QB.

can we? sure we can, jt. i'm not a fool despite how many times you've called me one while typing up answers. : ) is it likely?

not based on this last year.
not based on drews entire history.

if something happens 13 times in a row with more or less the same results, it's a fool who thinks it will be different next time out just because they want it to be. NOT CALLING YOU A FOOL jt - let's not rat-tunnel off in that direction.

but i am saying you get what you get with drew. last night was st. louis for heavens sake and he looked like hammered moose manure on a rainy day. off all the time, 2 easy picks... if that's how he was gonna play - with a "who gives a damn" attitude then hell yes i want to see ANY OTHER qb play cause they wanna win, not just don't wanna hold a clipboard.

 

[superpunk]

Last year the Giants benched a QB who had won a NFL MVP and a superbowl. They did this while they were still in the playoff race. Thats what I use as my example.

How did that turn out for him.

Yes, I'd really like to see what the kids can do. I also know, that NY isn't going to the playoffs this year BECAUSE of Eli Manning. He's been VERY pedestrian. It's not that similar of a situation. I mean, Eli was a #1 pick. He plays, or the HC loses his job. Plus, Coughlin chose Eli. I'm not convinced that BP wanted Henson for anything more than a backup, and that he is more a product of Jerruh's infatuation with failed baseball players.

 

[big_neil]

Ask him how many times Drew has led a team to the playoffs the last 1,460 days.

How many of Drew's teams have led HIM to the Playoffs?

His Defense blew the Washington game and IMO the Seattle game this year, and the Jets and Jags last year, and he still nearly has 10 wins. This Dallas Cowboys team is not a playoff team. Their running game is nonexistent (Julius had 12 yards on 13 carries to start yesterday), their O-Line is among the worst in the NFL (and you knew better), and their Defense was good but inopportune to say the least. Their Special Teams never returned ONE PUNT inside the opponents 30 all season. To blame Drew is a unique combination of arrogance, assumptions and ignorance.

 

[iceberg]

Yes, I'd really like to see what the kids can do. I also know, that NY isn't going to the playoffs this year BECAUSE of Eli Manning. He's been VERY pedestrian. It's not that similar of a situation. I mean, Eli was a #1 pick. He plays, or the HC loses his job. Plus, Coughlin chose Eli. I'm not convinced that BP wanted Henson for anything more than a backup, and that he is more a product of Jerruh's infatuation with failed baseball players.

but he still got put in.
he still performned when needed.
he's NOT the reason they lost several games this year.

and new york IS trying to build long term and we're answering that with bledsoe or bust.

unnerving to some of us.

 

[iceberg]

How many of Drew's teams have led HIM to the Playoffs?

His Defense blew the Washington game and IMO the Seattle game this year, and the Jets and Jags last year, and he still nearly has 10 wins. This Dallas Cowboys team is not a playoff team. Their running game is nonexistent (Julius had 12 yards on 13 carries to start yesterday), their O-Line is among the worst in the NFL (and you knew better), and their Defense was good but inopportune to say the least. Their Special Teams never returned ONE PUNT inside the opponents 30 all season. To blame Drew is a unique combination of arrogance, assumptions and ignorance.

i'm sorry, what was the qb rating in the seattle game again??? if bp can't kick the defense sure as hell can't play qb.

 

[jterrell]

I responded to him, so unless you and he are joined at the hip not sure how you could assume that.

Q over Hutch is such a feather in your cap. Did I or did I not say we were spinning our wheels with both? If you think that makes me want to crow you are out of your mind. It makes me sick that we've fiddled while Rome burns.

Can we do better than Drew Bledsoe at QB? Heaven help us if we can't.

I'll throw out some options though I'm pretty sure I can predict your response.

Daunte Culpepper
Billy Volek

Here are some options I threw out to you that poo pooed in the past.

Jake Plummer
Jake Delhomme


The only one you've ever agreed on was Brian Griese.

I'd love Culpepper here over Bledsoe.
Volek I am not sold on yet.

Plummer I didn't want. He is benefitting from an awesome line in Denver but I'd judge Bledsoe the better player.

Delhomme I am not all that big on either. He's a decent Qb like our guy. He benefits a ton from Steve Smith taking hitches 70 yards for TDs. We have beaten the Panthers 2 out 3 timers he has started against us.

And again your response wasnt to the original poster but to another poster thus the easily misread response. The original post was on 1 page, the response on another and the reponse you gave on a 3rd page.


If your point is we don't have a young franchise ugy I still dont believe you have listed one outside Culpepper. I would be all over getting him if at all possible.

I also was completely on board with drafting Leftwich.

I am not on board with just cutting all(or even the best of) our QBs and assuming we improve through magical means.

 

[Hostile]

How many of Drew's teams have led HIM to the Playoffs?

His Defense blew the Washington game and IMO the Seattle game this year, and the Jets and Jags last year, and he still nearly has 10 wins. This Dallas Cowboys team is not a playoff team. Their running game is nonexistent (Julius had 12 yards on 13 carries to start yesterday), their O-Line is among the worst in the NFL (and you knew better), and their Defense was good but inopportune to say the least. Their Special Teams never returned ONE PUNT inside the opponents 30 all season. To blame Drew is a unique combination of arrogance, assumptions and ignorance.

To completely exonerate Drew is myopic and agenda driven.

 

[Jarv]

I never wanted Bledsoe here?

Are you cereal?

Get your facts straight Nors Bodyguard. On the old forum in February of 2004, before he was released by the Bills I posted that I would like him here. Look it up if you doubt me. Be real careful about that finger pointing.

I wasn't addressing you, I was responding to ice. I'm the bully, but you started the nonsense. That's how it works huh? That's rich.

Hos, you can put me down as a guy who did not want Bledsoe last year. I was pulling for Brad Johnson and was totally dogged for it...lol...Oh well.

 

[superpunk]

but he still got put in.
he still performned when needed.
he's NOT the reason they lost several games this year.

and new york IS trying to build long term and we're answering that with bledsoe or bust.

unnerving to some of us.

He did lsoe quite a few games for them. Minnesota comes to mind. In others, he consistently throws red zone INTs, and is terribly inaccurate.

I know it's unnerving. I would LOVE to have a QB on the roster, that I can point to and say "There's the guy for the next 12 years. That's the guy that's gonna get it done long term." Unfortunately, the Cowboys haven't been presented with the #1 pick in a long time.

I am now on the Josh McCown offseason bandwagon, though. I like that kid.

 

[iceberg]

I am not on board with just cutting all(or even the best of) our QBs and assuming we improve through magical means.

yet you assume that "magicallY" bledsoe will be a qb he's NOT been in 13 years. still wanna face the "dreamers" comment, jt?

 

[Bach]

The Giants had the nads last year to find out even when the games weren't meaningless just to prepare for their future. We won't even try when the games are meaningless.

Vinny and Bledsoe are not our future. Someone else is.

You will also see the same results.

I agree that Vinny and Bledsoe are not our future. It's also arguable that neither was really our present. Vinny went 5-10, he never should've even been on the team.

As for the Giants, they did put in Eli last year even when they were still mathematically alive. But it's a little different since he was a top 5 pick in the draft.
All we have are Romo and Henson. That is our big problem. Now even so, I would rather see one of them play in a meaningless game like last night instead of Bledsoe or last year in the final Giants game instead of Vinny. But I am pretty confident in saying that neither Romo or Henson are our future either.

That is what is so frustrating. We bring in these older veterans who arent the future and arent going to take us to the promiseland now either, but we back them up with two guys who are basically average #2 QB's at best. We have zero plan at the QB position other than trying to win with old QB's now, and that isn't going to happen. It'd be different if we had a good young QB in the wings we were grooming while Bledsoe spent a year or so starting, but we dont'. It's like an exercise in futility.

 

[iceberg]

He did lsoe quite a few games for them. Minnesota comes to mind. In others, he consistently throws red zone INTs, and is terribly inaccurate.

I know it's unnerving. I would LOVE to have a QB on the roster, that I can point to and say "There's the guy for the next 12 years. That's the guy that's gonna get it done long term." Unfortunately, the Cowboys haven't been presented with the #1 pick in a long time.

I am now on the Josh McCown offseason bandwagon, though. I like that kid.

i'm sure he did, sp. i'm sure. but i'm also sure he's young and you can expect that and work with players to get OUT of that. drew still does all those "stupid" things after 13 years, why will it stop now?

it won't. sure, bring in josh - let's open it up and get busy. : )

 

[big_neil]

At this point only 2 out of 9 people (22%) want Drew to leave.

 

[Zaxor]

Hos, you can put me down as a guy who did not want Bledsoe last year. I was pulling for Brad Johnson and was totally dogged for it...lol...Oh well.

I also did not want him here I wanted to start working toward the future

 

[jterrell]

but he still got put in.
he still performned when needed.
he's NOT the reason they lost several games this year.

and new york IS trying to build long term and we're answering that with bledsoe or bust.

unnerving to some of us.

Are you serious???
Eli is completing 52% of his passes and has a career 70 QB rating.

NY has the best defensive player in the NFL this year in Strahan and one of the 2 or 3 best offensive players in Tiki Barber.

Drew Bledsoe was bad against the Ginats but he severely outplayed Eli who was getting time.

All that said if you have the top overall player in the draft it makes sense to commit to him in a major way.

How do we get the top pick?

 

[cml750]

IMO, BP is here to set the team in the right direction. We won't win a SB with BP IMO, especially if he opts out after next year or even this year.

He is however making the team better, overall.

Bledsoe is not the answer for this team's future and we might as well address the QB situation NOW.

I would hate to be in a position of having the defense gelling and the offense getting better, then having to address the QB and delay the process longer.

Bledsoe is our best option NOW, but he's not our future and IMO we should be addressing the future.

100% true. I vote no because Bledsoe may be the best we have but we need better. We have wasted 2 years on older QB's while we should of been getting our QB of the future some playing time. How much better off would we be next year with either Henson or Romo having 2 years experience under their belt. About the time this team gells and starts to come together we will need to change QB's and have to go through the growing pains that come with it. One of our young QB's should have been doing that the past 2 years.

 

[jterrell]

To completely exonerate Drew is myopic and agenda driven.

HAHAHA.

Agenda?

What agenda is it to attack a guy who put in the best QB performance we have had in 8 years? I guess its Bledasoe's fault we couldn't run the ball too?

 

[Bach]

At this point only 2 out of 9 people (22%) want Drew to leave.

That's because we have no one who can step in replace him. We'd be lucky to win 6 or 7 games with Romo or Henson.

We're stuck. We never try to draft a quality QB high. All we do is bring in major projects who played baseball or undrafted FA's. Then we are stuck with finding an old veteran to start and hope we can sneak into a wildcard game.