Wow, Refs Handed Game To Pats

[VietCowboy]

You meant get outta here man.

Second, you guys must have a silo with straw in it or something. We're talking about THIS game so why would you introduce the argument that the Pats have benefited from some questionable calls. Of course, they have, as many teams have, including the Cowboys with the pass interference on Miles Austin.

Wait, that was OBVIOUSLY a pass interference call, even though the ref closest to the play didn't drop a flag and it took almost a minute for another ref to call the penalty?

Pulease. Questionable calls abound in the NFL, not just for the Pats but for many teams. I'm looking at the Cleveland-Arizona game and many questionable calls were made in that game.

Be that as it may, Gaffney caught the ball for a TD. He snagged it and then switched the ball after he went out of bounds. And the penalty against the Ravens for holding Watson was a good call. And even if it wasn't, it wasn't so egregious that it would have been an extremely bad call.

And I find it interesting in the article posted in this thread, the Ravens never really say which calls were bad, only that the refs want to perserve the Pats undefeated record. But they offer no proof. I guess that's what passes for proof these days - wild speculation and perspectives tainted with bias, the bias that comes when people are so upset about the Patriots possibly going 16-0 that they make excuses why teams can't beat them.

it wasn't even questionable because the defender was not looking at the ball. if he was, and the flag flew, then it would be questionable. but because he wasn't playing the ball and their legs got tangled, the flag hits the ground. end of story. nothing questionable about that. if you think it is questionable, then you definitely need to get bigger tvs or stronger prescription for your faulty eye sight.

 

[djtavo]

ill give that win 2 baltimore, i dont care what the NFL stats write on this one.
F*** them!

 

[Rack]

I wonder what would happen if Ware went in low on Brady's knees?

I'm still wondering how Wilfork keeps getting away with nailing the QBs knees. And it was obvious he did it on purpose (again).


The dude belongs in jail, not on a football field.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

Gaffney caught the ball cleanly; he just switched the ball into a different hand after he went out of bounds.

:laugh2:

Really?

From now on, whenever a reception by TO is nullified by an out of bounds ruling, I'm telling my wife exactly what you said.

"He had the ball, Honey! He was merely switching the ball into a different hand and stopped midway through the process."

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Nice guillotine pic, I must save it for future use

 

[VietCowboy]

I'm still wondering how Wilfork keeps getting away with nailing the QBs knees. And it was obvious he did it on purpose (again).


The dude belongs in jail, not on a football field.

i wish we could give him a taste of his own medicine. I wish Dexter would take him out.

 

[Rack]

Nice guillotine pic, I must save it for future use

I'd like to see Belicheats' head rolling out of that thing.


Oh no, was not not politically correct? Oh well.


There's good people that die everyday, why not add a lying, cheating, arsehole of a man to that list?


Wilfork would be a good choice too but I don't think his fat head would fit and the blade probably wouldn't be able to cut all the way through (which would actually be cool).

 

[tyke1doe]

Tyke you're an idiot just like those refs tonight, if you can't see how those calls favored the Pats then you have serious issues or are a Pats fan on a Cowboy's forum. BTW, it's just not us talking about their favortism on ref calls, the Ravens have all the right in the world to be pissed at tonight's game.

So when they can't defeat your argument or when they get frustrated, out come the names.

You're an idiot. You're a moron. You're biased.

I thought I left that in elementary school.

As for the Ravens having all the right to be pissed, they should be pissed at themselves. Let's count the ways:

1. Stupid Ed Reeds intercepts the ball, but instead of securing it, holds it like a loaf of bread hoping to pitch the ball to a teammate, like he's accustomed to doing. But the Patriots, probably being smart and watching tape on Reed, knock the ball out of his hand. With 41 seconds left, instead of allowing his offense to take a shot at a touchdown or at least a field goal, the Pats get the ball and run out the clock.

2. After having run all over the Pats, the Pats stack the box with eight defenders. Do the Ravens try to go for the win or play conservative? They play conservative. And in three consecutive possessions they go run, run, pass on 3 and long.

3. Kyle Boller simply needs to take the underneath pass. Don't force a pass into the swirling winds, winds that made Brady's balls come up short. But does he play smart? Does he assess the situation and allow his teammates to do their part? Noooo. He throws a deep pass, a pass that the Pats defend well (Did he not see last week's game against the Eagles? Did he not study tapes?), and it gets intercepted.

4. Their defense has the Pats 4 and 1 and they line up. Brady is clearly hunched over the center as if to run a sneak. Then, Ravens defense coordinator Rex Ryan - who's not even suppose to call a timeout - yells in the refs ear and cancels a 4 and 1 stop, which obviously upsets the Ravens players.

5. On fourth and five, Watson is trying to release off the ball but is held by a Ravens defender. If you notice the play, the Ravens have three defenders positioned to tackle or break up the ball if Watson takes a slant route. But the holding call gives the Patriots first down and goal.

6. On Gaffney's catch, a Raven "No. 26" falls down allowing Gaffney to get open.

7. Bart Scott, forgetting that it's not over until it's over, loses his cool and then throws the flag in the stands, costing his team precious yardage, which could have gotten his team closer to a field goal.


Yes, the Ravens have a right to be upset. But they should be upset at their own stupid mistakes and inability to close out a game.

 

[tyke1doe]

:laugh2:

Really?

From now on, whenever a reception by TO is nullified by an out of bounds ruling, I'm telling my wife exactly what you said.

"He had the ball, Honey! He was merely switching the ball into a different hand and stopped midway through the process."

More straw for the straw man constructs.

 

[tyke1doe]

You keep saying this as if it has any bearing on the discussion.

Your argument has boiled down to "ESPN didn't say it wasn't a catch, so it's gotta be a catch."

Good luck with that line of reasoning.

LOL!

I like how you isolated that as my only response.

Uh, the refs didn't overrule the catch. The replay shows it was a catch.

But thanks for just focusing on one point to retort and separating it from my entire argument. That must mean you really don't have a defense.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

More straw for the straw man constructs.

There's no straw man here, merely analagous reasoning.

But persist in the glittering generalities if you must.

 

[tyke1doe]

it wasn't even questionable because the defender was not looking at the ball. if he was, and the flag flew, then it would be questionable. but because he wasn't playing the ball and their legs got tangled, the flag hits the ground. end of story. nothing questionable about that. if you think it is questionable, then you definitely need to get bigger tvs or stronger prescription for your faulty eye sight.

Yes, it was so obvious that it took the refs seconds to call it, even though the ref with the best view didn't throw the flag.

Oh, and my eye sight is 20/20. Just had it checked a few weeks. AND I have a large television with HDTV. You know you can see pretty clearly with those sets.

 

[tyke1doe]

There's no straw man here, merely analagous reasoning.

But persist in the glittering generalities if you must.

Hey, I can't tell you what to say to your wife. That's between you and her. :

But if you're going to use the Gaffney situation to explain a bobbled catch by T.O., it would seem to me your hang ups much deeper than I'd like to know.

 

[Rack]

Yes, it was so obvious that it took the refs seconds to call it, even though the ref with the best view didn't throw the flag.

That ref did NOT have the best view. Austin was right between that ref and the defender. How could that ref see whether or not the defender was looking back at teh ball?

Oh that's right, he couldn't.

 

[tyke1doe]

Go check out some other boards, you will see it is not just Cowboy fans that think the Pats are getting a free ticket to Arizona by the league.

Sorry to burst your theory.

What theory was that?

I was speaking about those on this board in this forum. Last time I checked, most of us are Cowboys fans.

I know other fans are complaining. I visited another football forum before coming here.

Besides, I already said that it is the perception of most fans that the dominant team gets more favorable calls. The Cowboys of the 90s were accused of the same thing.

Sorry to call attention to your inability to read this entire thread before you singled out a particular statement I made sans context. :

 

[VietCowboy]

Yes, it was so obvious that it took the refs seconds to call it, even though the ref with the best view didn't throw the flag.

Oh, and my eye sight is 20/20. Just had it checked a few weeks. AND I have a large television with HDTV. You know you can see pretty clearly with those sets.

I never said it wasn't obvious, i said it isn't questionable because the replay is clear, concise, and without a doubt a flag. just because the ref saw it in real time and had to debate about it doesn't mean that it isn't questionable. here is a little analogy if you can't understand the difference:

TO was forced out of bounds. but the refs don't call it. Do you honestly believe that that call was not questionable because the ref didn't immediately call it? it was without question (aka isn't questionable) FORCED OUT. it wasn't OBVIOUS TO THE REF. so, had there been another ref nearby who did call force out, they debated it, on the field in real time, that the force out call would still be questionable? nope. sorry, but ref's taking time to throw a flag and discussing doesn't make a call questionable if there is undisputed visual evidence of it.

 

[tyke1doe]

That ref did NOT have the best view. Austin was right between that ref and the defender. How could that ref see whether or not the defender was looking back at teh ball?

Oh that's right, he couldn't.

He was looking right at both of them.

Even so, that was a questionable call. And the point is that the call was questionable, but one that benefited the Cowboys.

 

[tyke1doe]

I never said it wasn't obvious, i said it isn't questionable because the replay is clear, concise, and without a doubt a flag. just because the ref saw it in real time and had to debate about it doesn't mean that it isn't questionable. here is a little analogy if you can't understand the difference:

TO was forced out of bounds. but the refs don't call it. Do you honestly believe that that call was not questionable because the ref didn't immediately call it? it was without question (aka isn't questionable) FORCED OUT. it wasn't OBVIOUS TO THE REF.

First, I'm talking about the Miles Austin play.

Second, I do recall a questionable call of a force out on T.O. that should have been in bounds. But I don't think it came in the Green Bay game. I just can't remember which game that was. Was it the Skins game?

Be that as it may, my point is that questionable calls are part of the game and they happen to all teams. It happens so often, I can't with a straight face say that the Pats are the only ones who get the benefit of the calls. And even if that's the perception, that has been said about all the great teams from the Steelers of the 70s to the Niners of the 80s to the Cowboys of the 90s.

All dominant teams are accused of being favorites of the refs. That's my point.

And, guess what? When the Cowboys become dominant again, fans will be complaing about how the refs want us to succeed too. And we Cowboys fans will be like Pats fans, defending the calls and crying that teams don't like the fact we're dominant.

 

[tyke1doe]

I gotta get to bed. I'll likely take this discussion up later today.

Peace.

 

[VietCowboy]

First, I'm talking about the Miles Austin play.

Second, I do recall a questionable call of a force out on T.O. that should have been in bounds. But I don't think it came in the Green Bay game. I just can't remember which game that was. Was it the Skins game?

Be that as it may, my point is that questionable calls are part of the game and they happen to all teams. It happens so often, I can't with a straight face say that the Pats are the only ones who get the benefit of the calls. And even if that's the perception, that has been said about all the great teams from the Steelers of the 70s to the Niners of the 80s to the Cowboys of the 90s.

All dominant teams are accused of being favorites of the refs. That's my point.

And, guess what? When the Cowboys become dominant again, fans will be complaing about how the refs want us to succeed too. And we Cowboys fans will be like Pats fans, defending the calls and crying that teams don't like the fact we're dominant.

i don't think anyone here says all calls are black and white. but we are just saying that the austin PI was not a questionable call because there was visual evidence that the defender was not playing the ball when he tangled with miles. thankfully there were two refs looking, and one of them caught that. it was not like it could go either way (although, yes, on the field at the time, it could have if the ref who didn't see a flag was able to convince the other ref), but for you to sit there NOW and say that that flag is questionnable is rather incredulous. it was definitely a penalty. in this case, black and white.

some people will argue until they are black and blue about that ware off-side flag, saying he left right when the ball was snapped. i personally think that call was questionable and could have gone either way. unfortunately, it went against us.

i have a feeling we are arguing slightly different things if you can't see my way and I can't see your way