Zoners: An APOLOGY is required today!

[Maikeru-sama]

If campo put his hands on Newman or tried and was rebuffed then it's cool I have no problem with the shove. No man has a right to put his hands on another. And since it was between those two it's should be handled between those two.

My son who is eleven knows that it's wrong to disrespect his coach, also knows that his coach knows his limits as well.

Yes, Campo did put his hands on Newman, but Newman had no right to shove his Coach.

 

[WoodysGirl]

I am still trying to find out exactly what happened. It seems everyone is being tight-lipped.

Not tightlipped..

Vids and pics in this thread - http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=169051

Plus Campo says no big deal. Just a family thing.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Plus Campo says no big deal. Just a family thing.

Another lesson from last years soap opera disaster I hope.

 

[Doomsday101]

Not tightlipped..

Vids and pics in this thread - http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=169051

Plus Campo says no big deal. Just a family thing.

I agree with Campo no big deal. The only big deal is it was caught on camera. Many things take place on the sideline that the viewers do not see. It can become a big deal if you don't let it die and just keep on and on about it. It happened it is over now move on.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

Because it isn't. Until they bring it off the sidelines it was still in their house. That's where it should stay. The sidelines are an extension of the locker room.

Not with the feeding frenzy though if the team feels like it is an issue and addresses it.

Public, adj, is of or pertaining to the people; relating to, or affecting, a nation, state, or community; opposed to private; as, the public treasury, a road or lake. Public, n, is also defined as the people of a nation not affiliated with the government of that nation.

Public to the general body of mankind or of a nation, state, or community; the people, indefinitely; as, the public; also, a particular body or aggretion of people; as, an author's public. "Public network" means a network that is regulated as a common carrier.

Aggens (1983) in the paper titled "Identifying different levels of public interest in participation" states: "There is no single public, but different levels of public based on differing levels of interest and ability".

(This was a public event by definition)

 

[lurkercowboy]

Can you picture the tense meeting today in the owners office?

"Hello Jerry"

"Hello Newman"

 

[Doomsday101]

Public, adj, is of or pertaining to the people; relating to, or affecting, a nation, state, or community; opposed to private; as, the public treasury, a road or lake. Public, n, is also defined as the people of a nation not affiliated with the government of that nation.

Public to the general body of mankind or of a nation, state, or community; the people, indefinitely; as, the public; also, a particular body or aggretion of people; as, an author's public. "Public network" means a network that is regulated as a common carrier.

Aggens (1983) in the paper titled "Identifying different levels of public interest in participation" states: "There is no single public, but different levels of public based on differing levels of interest and ability".

(This was a public event by definition)

Yet it was a private matter between a player and his coach. They have no obligation to explain this to anyone and the sooner they move on from it the better off they are.

 

[Hostile]

There's no reasonable way you can make that argument. The players wave and talk to the fans FROM THE SIDELINES. Pictures and video are taken ON THE SIDELINES. It's PUBLIC by any definition of the word.:bang2:

I'll tell you what, ask only the guys on this forum who played at least college ball where because of media scrutiny you have to protect the team image. I bet none of them will agree with your assessment of the sidelines as public and none of them will think a public apology is necessary. Cameras travel down to the sidelines. Can the common man wander down there? Or is that a private, restricted, area?

adbutcher
jterrell
DallasCowpoke
scottsp

Those are a few you could ask. If they disagree with me, I'll eat crow.

 

[Plumfool]

Yes, Campo did put his hands on Newman, but Newman had no right to shove his Coach.

Obviously there are quite a few factors. Emotion on news part emotions on camps part the moment. But it's ok for the coach to push or shove or grab a player because he's the coach but a player has to take it even though his emotions are even higher than the coaches.

 

[proline]

I'll tell you what, ask only the guys on this forum who played at least college ball where because of media scrutiny you have to protect the team image. I bet none of them will agree with your assessment of the sidelines as public and none of them will think a public apology is necessary. Cameras travel down to the sidelines. Can the common man wander down there? Or is that a private, restricted, area?

adbutcher
jterrell
DallasCowpoke
scottsp

Those are a few you could ask. If they disagree with me, I'll eat crow.

How about this? When the PLAYERS quit engaging the fans from the sidelines, then I'll agree that it's *ahem* "an extension of the locker room".

You guys aren't the only ones who played sports. My coaches reminded the team that we were examples of our teammates and schools and that we needed to act appropriately on the sidelines. The reason is obvious ..... because it is PUBLIC. Private exchanges can be held in public, but they still take place in public. There is no requirement for the public to shield its eyes from actions on the sidelines. One of the draws of going to a game in person is that you can see the players on the sidelines and how things are handled there. There is just no validity to a claim that the sidelines are not public. Protecting the team image starts with actions on the sidelines, not with hiding or covering up those actions. I'm not saying that everything said or done on the sidelines needs to be addressed in public, but to argue that it didn't take place in public is ridiculous.

 

[Hostile]

How about this? When the PLAYERS quit engaging the fans from the sidelines, then I'll agree that it's *ahem* "an extension of the locker room".

You guys aren't the only ones who played sports. My coaches reminded the team that we were examples of our teammates and schools and that we needed to act appropriately on the sidelines. The reason is obvious ..... because it is PUBLIC. Private exchanges can be held in public, but they still take place in public. There is no requirement for the public to shield its eyes from actions on the sidelines. One of the draws of going to a game in person is that you can see the players on the sidelines and how things are handled there. There is just no validity to a claim that the sidelines are not public.

Sorry, but a public area is exactly that, a place where the public can roam.

I will never agree that an apology is needed. No one will convince me otherwise.

You would have better luck trying to shove hot butter up an unchained, rabid wildcat's butt with a hot poker under a July Death Valley sun than to convince me Newman owes the fans a public apology.

 

[iceberg]

Zoners:

A certain #41 CB Terrance Newman owes Coach Campo an apology for several reasons. I could not believe he shoved our coach on National TV!

#1 – Newman is supposed to be a professional and leader of our D.

#2 – Newman should set the example to our young CBs (Will Jenkins/Scandrick feel it is A-ok to shove our coaches in the future?

#3 – Most important, all High School kids need to hear an apology from Mr. Newman to his coach that even in the heat of battle it is NOT ever OK to disrespect your coach!

What do you Zoners think?

i think we want our players full of emotion and passion for the game.

then we get upset when they have it and it gets a bit out of control for a moment and self-corrects.

like many things, people overreact.

 

[adbutcher]

I'll tell you what, ask only the guys on this forum who played at least college ball where because of media scrutiny you have to protect the team image. I bet none of them will agree with your assessment of the sidelines as public and none of them will think a public apology is necessary. Cameras travel down to the sidelines. Can the common man wander down there? Or is that a private, restricted, area?

adbutcher
jterrell
DallasCowpoke
scottsp

Those are a few you could ask. If they disagree with me, I'll eat crow.

Put away your knife and fork I ain't serving any crow.

It is over and done with. Coaches and players, players and players, and coaches and coaches get into it all the time during the heat of the game.

The only time I got to cuss my DC out was during the game. As far as my position coach he would get blasted by me and I would get blasted by him, then he would get blasted by the DC, who was getting blasted by the Head coach. If outsiders heard the crap coming out of mouths, they would think that we were going to fight at the end of the game.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

Both men probably were "professionals" and worked things out during the heat of battle.

However, Terence Newman should probably sit out a quarter, a half or an entire game.

You just don't shove your Coach.

I'm with you Mick. You just don't do that. At minimum he should apologize publicly to set the example, imo.

 

[adbutcher]

i think we want our players full of emotion and passion for the game.

then we get upset when they have it and it gets a bit out of control for a moment and self-corrects.

like many things, people overreact.

Not here, no way.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

Sorry, but a public area is exactly that, a place where the public can roam.

I will never agree that an apology is needed. No one will convince me otherwise.

You would have better luck trying to shove hot butter up an unchained, rabid wildcat's butt with a hot poker under a July Death Valley sun than to convince me Newman owes the fans a public apology.

I have to disagree Hos. The stadium it self is a public venue. Only areas that are hidden can be considered private.

Suppose a player on a sideline flipped the bird to the fans or someone else on the field? Would that be something they should apologize for? It's public because it is open viewing. Just because you can't have physical access doesn't mean it isn't public.

As for flipping the bird, I am reminded that the Titans owner fliped the bird to the Buffalo fans and was fined 1/4 mil for it. AND he apologized for it. And that was in a so called restricted area.

I think there is a difference between a private area and a restricted area.

Just my 2 cents. Spend it wisely.

 

[iceberg]

Not here, no way.

wild, i know.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

You would have better luck trying to shove hot butter up an unchained, rabid wildcat's butt with a hot poker under a July Death Valley sun than to convince me Newman owes the fans a public apology.

I forgot to mention...

 

[slomoxn]

I'm more than positive Campo and Newman handled it between themselves and/or the lockerroom. We honestly need to quit worrying about their locker room and how they handle a situation like that. I haven't played football in more than 20 years but I remember the heat of battle and it could have happened to anyone. So saying I wouldn't have done that really dont know cause they aren't there. Plenty of times I have looked at situations and wondered how I would have responded but at my current age and experience i have found out I can't walk in someone else's shoes till I take mine off and put theirs on. He made a mistake so let THEM move on were not TNew or Campo. None of our business so let them be men and deal with it on their own terms. I often wish the stars and such would start their own rag paper and papparazi mag and have normal people followed around and their daily lives and jobs reported just to see how great they really are. Boy all the skeletons falling out of the closet would be collasal.

 

[iceberg]

I have to disagree Hos. The stadium it self is a public venue. Only areas that are hidden can be considered private.

Suppose a player on a sideline flipped the bird to the fans or someone else on the field? Would that be something they should apologize for? It's public because it is open viewing. Just because you can't have physical access doesn't mean it isn't public.

As for flipping the bird, I am reminded that the Titans owner fliped the bird to the Buffalo fans and was fined 1/4 mil for it. AND he apologized for it. And that was in a so called restricted area.

I think there is a difference between a private area and a restricted area.

Just my 2 cents. Spend it wisely.

except the the sidelines are an "office" of the players. sure they get to watch but that doesn't give them "national enquierer" type access to eveything that goes on.

so newman and campo butted heads.

GOOD.

now chill out everyone and let them get back to work. i'm not into the public/private part of the sidelines, i just don't think players / owners should have to cater to every fans whim of what THEY feel is right and wrong when obviously THEY'RE not considering other "whims" as well.