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And you may be right. I just don't think we know yet. Let me ask you this. Take yourself back to 2003. How did you think Bill Parcells would do? Keep in mind, he'd been out of coaching for a few seasons then.
The being out of coaching for a while mattered to me. I thought maybe he was not up to speed on the way the game had evolved without him. Turns out I was wrong to a degree, he helped Romo a great deal.
 

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This was your entire initial post. Pretty simple read, and nothing about what I wrote is contradicted by this. You clearly are relishing the idea of laughing at the start and the fans who you imagine proving wrong.

Come at me with your best debate about why I'm wrong so I can laugh at you after game 3. Bring it!
My previous post disputes that so I see no need to protest further. You are just trolling me at this point. Be gone.
 

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The being out of coaching for a while mattered to me. I thought maybe he was not up to speed on the way the game had evolved without him. Turns out I was wrong to a degree, he helped Romo a great deal.

Do you not think it may be possible that we are into the same situation with Mike McCarthy? That's sort of the angle why I think we will be alright with MM. He took a season off to become more analytical which I think will help him. He has a solid playoff record as a coach, and there's a reason he lasted as long as he did in Green Bay. I'm excited to see what he implements here.
 

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Thank you for acknowledging there is something to be gain by watching the preseason games. I never said I watch preseason games to see what schemes are being used. I'm much like you, I watch to see which young guys are doing well. I do get an idea of the scheme by watching them practice but my access to that's been shut down this season. I heard reports from the media but I need to see it.

Rocky, you have a nasty habit of critiquing the poster rather than the post. You don't like my message so you attack the messenger. Do your credibility a favor by focusing on the message rather than the messenger. Insulting my football intelligence does nothing for your counter-argument. I like you as a poster so I give that bit of advice as a friend.
I didn't attack you, I disagreed with you. You started with the name calling so let's be real.
 

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Do you not think it may be possible that we are into the same situation with Mike McCarthy? That's sort of the angle why I think we will be alright with MM. He took a season off to become more analytical which I think will help him. He has a solid playoff record as a coach, and there's a reason he lasted as long as he did in Green Bay. I'm excited to see what he implements here.
It's certainly possible but I can't help being put off by his ill-fitted suit and overweight stature when he showed up. Maybe its faulty logic on my behalf to think a fat man can not offer us much in the coaching department. I certainly would not make that same observation about another fat man, Andy Reed. I appreciate your perspective.
 

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I didn't attack you, I disagreed with you. You started with the name calling so let's be real.
You insulted my football knowledge. That is most certainly a personal attack rather than focusing on the message.
 

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It's certainly possible but I can't help being put off by his ill-fitted suit and overweight stature when he showed up. Maybe its faulty logic on my behalf to think a fat man can not offer us much in the coaching department. I certainly would not make that same observation about another fat man, Andy Reed. I appreciate your perspective.

Parcells wasn't exactly skinny either when he was coaching here. As you mentioned, Andy Reid is another coach who was heavy and did well.
 

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Parcells wasn't exactly skinny either when he was coaching here. As you mentioned, Andy Reid is another coach who was heavy and did well.
Food for thought. I'll chew on it a while. Maybe familiarising myself with his previous coaching experience will do me good. There could be more to the man than being fat.
 

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Food for thought. I'll chew on it a while. Maybe familiarising myself with his previous coaching experience will do me good. There could be more to the man than being fat.

Yes, also, just more food for thought. His record as a head coach is 125-77-2, and his playoff record is 18-10 with a Super Bowl victory in 2010. Here's the link: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/McCaMi0.htm. I think you will see why I like him as our coach and am more optimistic about that. Between his coaching time in Green Bay (2006-2018), he only had 5 seasons which were not winning seasons. Furthermore, he had 9 seasons in which he made the playoffs in that 12 year span. That's a remarkable record.

Meanwhile, with Jason Garrett, who I'm sure the vast majority of us agree was horrendous and I'm merely using him as a comparison as he was the most recent HC for us before MM, his record in his 9 years here was 85-67. 3 seasons in which he made the playoffs with a playoff record of 2-3. Granted, I'm counting the half season he was an interim, so you can call it 8 if you wish. So, just starting in 2011, his first full season, he had 4 seasons in which he posted a winning record. The talent Garrett had in that span was at least on par with the talent McCarthy had for several of those seasons. Yes, he may not have had Rodgers, but Romo would usually put up a good fight against Rodgers, and Dak has held his own against Rodgers in most of the games they've played against each other. So, the talent is at least on par when both teams were healthy. Just to point that out.
 

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Yes, also, just more food for thought. His record as a head coach is 125-77-2, and his playoff record is 18-10 with a Super Bowl victory in 2010. Here's the link: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/McCaMi0.htm. I think you will see why I like him as our coach and am more optimistic about that. Between his coaching time in Green Bay (2006-2018), he only had 5 seasons which were not winning seasons. Furthermore, he had 9 seasons in which he made the playoffs in that 12 year span. That's a remarkable record.

Meanwhile, with Jason Garrett, who I'm sure the vast majority of us agree was horrendous and I'm merely using him as a comparison as he was the most recent HC for us before MM, his record in his 9 years here was 85-67. 3 seasons in which he made the playoffs with a playoff record of 2-3. Granted, I'm counting the half season he was an interim, so you can call it 8 if you wish. So, just starting in 2011, his first full season, he had 4 seasons in which he posted a winning record. The talent Garrett had in that span was at least on par with the talent McCarthy had for several of those seasons. Yes, he may not have had Rodgers, but Romo would usually put up a good fight against Rodgers, and Dak has held his own against Rodgers in most of the games they've played against each other. So, the talent is at least on par when both teams were healthy. Just to point that out.
Thanks, much appreciated reading material. I'll give it all an honest reading. I still don't like his degree of secrecy at training camp but if this is just how he operates, it's certainly gotten positive results that I want for the Cowboys. :thumbup:
 

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Thanks, much appreciated reading material. I'll give it all an honest reading. I still don't like his degree of secrecy at training camp but if this is just how he operates, it's certainly gotten positive results that I want for the Cowboys. :thumbup:

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I gotta say, I like the secrecy because it may be making us even more of underdogs. And we do tend to do better when we're considered underdogs anyway.
 

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I gotta say, I like the secrecy because it may be making us even more of underdogs. And we do tend to do better when we're considered underdogs anyway.
We weren't perceived as underdogs in '93 and we did pretty well. But of course, this is the exception and not the trend. You're right, fly under the radar and you'll go farther.
 

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We weren't perceived as underdogs in '93 and we did pretty well. But of course, this is the exception and not the trend. You're right, fly under the radar and you'll go farther.

Exactly, and, while McCarthy was in Green Bay, you probably didn't hear much from their training camps, but you bloody well saw the results. That's the way I like it. Imo, if you're all out there saying what's going on, then you can't really expect to be able to surprise anyone because they have an idea of what you're going to do. IMO, Jason Garrett shared way too much during TC here, and then the offense looked as boring and predictable as it was because the other team knew what we'd do. With this approach, we're able to implement whatever we want with the opponents knowing as little as possible. Now, doesn't that sound better? Yes, it's scary for us as fans because we don't know how we'll look, but I think it's actually exciting. It makes me eager to see what MM has in mind.
 

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My previous post disputes that so I see no need to prtest further. You are just trolling me at this point. Be gone.
There was no previous post. What I quoted was your initial post in this thread. That's how you started this thread, by stating that your purpose was to prove other Cowboy fans wrong and to laugh at them when you were proven right.

Those were your words, not mine

By the way, I quoted other posts where you challenged others to make their case so you could prove them wrong - again, from your OP, with the purpose of wanting to laugh at them.
 
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There was no previous post. What I quoted was your initial post in this thread. That's how you started this thread, by stating that your purpose was to prove other Cowboy fans wrong and to laugh at them when you were proven right.

Back pedal all you want, but that's in the OP

By the way, I also quoted other posts where you dared others to make their case with the hope of proving them wrong.
Since you are intentionally being difficult, I will do the heavy lifting for you. I will re-post the "previous post" I was referring to so you can't deny it exists. Read it and then stop pretending to be in my head telling me what my own words mean. You are trolling so go away.

Did I say 0-3 would bring me joy? No! I said I would laugh at those that did not see it coming and then I would cry. I hope I'm wrong and that's not the first time I've said that. I don't want 0-3, I'm a Cowboys fan but I'm not seeing any evidence to say anything other than 0-3. You keep ignoring things I've said and implying I'm saying something different. No, there is no giddiness here over my 0-3 prediction.
 

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Since you are intentionally being difficult, I will do the heavy lifting for you. I will re-post the "previous post" I was referring to so you can't deny it exists. Read it and then stop pretending to be in my head telling me what my own words mean. You are trolling so go away.
I already responded to that comment. In that response, and in other posts, I showed where you were eagerly looking forward to an 0-3 start so you could laugh at anyone who felt differently. You were running from the reality of the OP and other things you posted, and you still are.

It's laughable that you are arguing in an after the fact post well into the thread and well after a number of other posts to the contrary that you didn't say what you actually did.
 

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I already responded to that comment. In that response, and in other posts, I showed where you were eagerly looking forward to an 0-3 start so you could laugh at anyone who felt differently. You were running from the reality of the OP and other things you posted, and you still are.

It's laughable that you are arguing in an after the fact post well into the thread and well after a number of other posts to the contrary that you didn't say what you actually did.
You are just trolling. Telling me how feel is a futile exercise.
 
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