Accountability 101 - RW Blames Romo for Everything... Vid added Post #73

[theebs]

Not surprised a Roy defender doesnt want to discuss stats.

It would be a short debate.

Im not a Roy Defender by any stretch, I am actually kind of indifferent to the guy. What I saw at training camp was a major turn off to me and what I hear a couple of times a week when he speaks to the media further turns me off to the guy.

But He has nothing to do with buffalo bill, he is nothing like him and he isnt the same problem and owens wasnt any good on the field last year either.

 

[GOLDENCHILD1688]

its funny to even see people comparing him to owens when he was here

we ran T.O. out but not once during his stay did i read or see him say anything this bad about romo.

but its whatever. there is some truth to what hes saying but he is just as much to blame with his poor hands and route running.

he shouldve known better and kept his mouth shut

 

[Beast_from_East]

Im not a Roy Defender by any stretch, I am actually kind of indifferent to the guy. What I saw at training camp was a major turn off to me and what I hear a couple of times a week when he speaks to the media further turns me off to the guy.

But He has nothing to do with buffalo bill, he is nothing like him and he isnt the same problem and owens wasnt any good on the field last year either.

TO's 2008 stats:

69 receptions, 1052 yards, 10 TDs



Roy Williams 2009 stats: (5 games played)

14 receptions, 249 yards, 2 TDs

Projected season stats at current rate = 42 receptions, 747 yds, 6 TDs



So even though TO wasnt any good on the field last year, his numbers still blow away Roy's projected totals.

 

[Awakened]

Roy is too dam civilized. He sounds like a college professor. He will transition smoothly into a TV commentator role. But he has lost the Eye of the Tiger.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

Unquestionably, Roy should have refrained from criticizing Romo. However, drawing comparisons between Roy and TO based on those criticisms is absurd.

When TO became discontent, he would factionalize locker rooms, turning certain players against the object of his ire, and willfully destroy teams. Roy has no such history. Furthermore, he doesn't possess the gravitas to do so even if he wanted to.

 

[RealCowboyfan]

RW just needs to get it together.

 

[TwoDeep3]

IRVING, Texas -- Roy Williams remains the Dallas Cowboys' No. 1 receiver, at least in his mind.

After putting in a lot of extra offseason work with quarterback Tony Romo, Williams is stunned that they haven't made more progress.

"It's just not even close," Williams said. "It's not even funny. Not even close."

Williams does not believe his poor production accurately portrays his performance.

"I'm the No. 1 receiver. But things are just going No. 2's way."

The No. 2 is Miles Austin, who has produced like a Pro Bowler since moving into the starting lineup. Austin has set an NFL record with 482 yards in his first three starts, scoring on five of his 21 receptions during that span.

Compare that to Williams' statistics in 16 games since arriving from Detroit in a blockbuster deal: 33 catches, 447 yards and three touchdowns.

Considering those numbers, how could Williams possibly still see himself as the Cowboys' No. 1 receiver?

"He gets the ball thrown correctly his way," Williams said of Austin. "I'm stretching and falling and doing everything. Everybody [else] who's been here's balls are there. Our footballs [from Romo to Williams] are everywhere right now."

Williams has caught only 14 of 37 passes thrown his way this season. Only four receivers in the league who have been targeted at least 25 times have caught a lower percentage of passes aimed at them.

Williams stressed that he's pleased that the Cowboys are winning, but he's frustrated that he hasn't been more effective. He isn't asking for more opportunities. He just wants to be put in better position to make plays, which means getting on the same page with Romo.

"We're going to be fine there," Romo said after Sunday's win over the Seattle Seahawks. "I know what Roy's doing. It's just a matter of going back and looking the tape and seeing what we have to do better. But it's just part of growing with a receiver."

http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/news/story?id=4622709

So am I the only person on this planet that sees the majority of passes that go to Williams are behind him, above him, one hopping in or far enough in front of him he can barelky get a hand on them?

Hey, I want more production from him, but Romo needs to deliver a catchable ball.

 

[Zaxor]

Apparently Clarence Hill is as well:

"It makes me look like crap," Williams said. "The only thing that keeps me going is cause I know I’m not. I know what I am. I know what people are trying to make me be. I know I’m not that."

Williams has no answers when asked to explain the difference between his numbers and those of receiver Miles Austin. Williams has 14 catches for 249 yards and two touchdowns. Austin has 26 catches for 563 yards and six touchdowns.
"He gets the ball thrown correctly," Williams said. "I’m
stretching, falling, doing everything. My balls are everywhere."

A good jock strap should fix the problem... Why hasn't this been suggested before to Roy

 

[montgod]

So am I the only person on this planet that sees the majority of passes that go to Williams are behind him, above him, one hopping in or far enough in front of him he can barelky get a hand on them?

Hey, I want more production from him, but Romo needs to deliver a catchable ball.

If this is truly Romo's fault, why is it that Witten and Austin are able to succeed where Roy can't? Could it be that Roy is running incorrect or lazy routes? That is my guess.

Obviously this debate could go on forever and for the most part the arguments and points are going to all be the same.

The biggest and obvious point to be made is that Roy didn't need to go to the media about his frustrations. He needs to get to the field and work with Romo or at the least, talk it over with him. Isn't that what Austin did... and look how he is doing on the field now? Unfortunately, he seems to have learned too much from TO in voicing his opinion in a negative way then in a positive one.

Who cares if your teammate is getting all the credit if you are winning? You can't always get the spotlight. Besides that, Roy already has a big contract. If anything, he needs to be more humble and try to work harder for the ransom he is already being paid instead of complaining that it isn't his fault especially right before a huge game where the focus needs to be on the Eagles and not internally.

The attitude of today's players makes you wish more and more for the days when Barry Sanders and E. Smith played. It's just ridiculous.

 

[Zaxor]

So am I the only person on this planet that sees the majority of passes that go to Williams are behind him, above him, one hopping in or far enough in front of him he can barelky get a hand on them?

Hey, I want more production from him, but Romo needs to deliver a catchable ball.

Roy is 6 yards too deep and the ball is thrown short that is Roy's fault...or if Roy is 8 yards too shallow and the ball is thrown over his head that is also Roy's fault...now if they are timing routes and Roy is at the right depth right time and the ball is not there the problem lays with Tony...My question is how do you know as a fan who to blame

 

[montgod]

Roy is 6 yards too deep and the ball is thrown short that is Roy's fault...or if Roy is 8 yards too shallow and the ball is thrown over his head that is also Roy's fault...now if they are timing routes and Roy is at the right depth right time and the ball is not there the problem lays with Tony...My question is how do you know as a fan who to blame

As a fan... we don't know who to blame. However, looking at the numbers of the other wr/te, it's hard not to fault Roy.

 

[Eskimo]

I guess you can label me a "follower." More realistically, I support him as a Dallas Cowboy.

Someone posted here earlier about how my view doesn't have to be the polar opposite of yours (generally speaking). I guess it's nice and easy to lump everybody who doesn't jump on the "hate RW" bandwagon as sheep, but there are definitely shades of gray. I think his play has been mediocre and that he has said some things that are just dumb, but I can also realize when things are getting blown out of proportion.

So, your assertion that "his followers will never find him at fault" is clearly false. It's exactly this black and white line of thought that cause so many problems around here.

RW is a Texas and UT legend - he is cut a ridiculous amount of slack by his "followers" - meaning those who like RW more than they like the Cowboys. This is one type of RW sheep.

The other type of sheep is more of a homer Cowboys fan sheep - they will always choose to see the Cowboys and its players in a positive light, especially when allegedly tackled in the media. These are the homer Sheep.

There are those who just believe Roy is a good player who is going to help the Cowboys but are in denial regarding the level of quality of his play.

So there are definitely shades of grey here.

I tend to be on the opposite end of the spectrum because RW has always rubbed me the wrong way with his arrogance and selfishness. For a guy who hasn't accomplished all that much, he has an awful high opinion of himself. WRs should be in their prime in their 6th season - I really doubt the issue is that Romo can't throw him the ball accurately. This notion seems almost preposterous to me. The problem lies with RW but since he believes he is doing nothing wrong he will not put in the extra work to correct what he is doing wrong.

 

[Eskimo]

He doesnt need the media to tell him.

Roy has been boo'd two weeks in a row at home.

I have been to every game since the 03 season at home except 1.

THe only players I have heard boo'd are QUincy carter, Troy Hambrick, Vinny testaverde, Terrell Owens and Now Roy williams.

He knows whats going on. The media doesn't need to tell him.

Roy Williams exists in a special form of denial in his own mind where he is the victim of some form of conspiracy orchestrated by Romo and Garrett designed to limit his production.

 

[Eskimo]

This is just beyond comprehension how one player can be so f'ing stupid as Roy Williams.

We are freaking 5-2, tied for 1st place in the division, are 2nd in the league in points scored, and that loser wants to complain about how Romo throws the ball.

W T F????

Its all about you Roy, isnt it. You dont give a dam about this team or about the fans, its all about you and your numbers (or lack of) and you would be smiling from ear to ear if we were 2-5 and you were leading the league in receptions.

Thats it, I am f'ing done with this loser. He is TO 2.0 without the production. I would rather have TO back than to watch this loser point fingers as to why he is sucking. I would trade Roy for a 7th right now if I could, I dont care what we gave up for this loser.

Trading him could be hard with the cap due to the large amount of guaranteed money - adam might be able to comment on the feasibility of this.

That said, I think the best solution would be a temporary demotion and an apology at the very least to the whole team about his selfish remarks in the week leading up to a very critical game.

If he doesn't pick up his production, I would just leave him buried on the bench and then release him in the uncapped year upcoming. If he continues with conduct detrimental to the team we should just suspend him and ban him from entering Valley Ranch in an effort to prevent the cancer from metastasizing. We need Romo to be the leader of this offense and we can't tolerate insubordination like we did last year with TO.

 

[Eskimo]

Here's what I don't get: When Brett Favre joined the Jets and later the Vikings, he started pre-season games for them within days of signing. He was completing passes left and right to guys he hardly knew, and without the benefit of any real practice time. Conversely, Tony and Roy have had over a year to get their act together and have failed miserably. This is mind boggling to me. If not now, when?

Roy is either physically done as a WR (a distinct possibility when you see how slow he looks on the field with his cuts) or he is running ****ty routes which he is unwilling to fix through practice.

This timing/rapport BS is just a concept introduced by Roy sheep to explain his poor level of play.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Roy Williams exists in a special form of denial in his own mind where he is the victim of some form of conspiracy orchestrated by Romo and Garrett designed to limit his production.

Please post anything that proves your theory. Unless you know him personally or have been privvy to this special form of denial in person, you are extrapolating something without enough evidence to make your assumptions empirical.

 

[Eskimo]

Unquestionably, Roy should have refrained from criticizing Romo. However, drawing comparisons between Roy and TO based on those criticisms is absurd.

When TO became discontent, he would factionalize locker rooms, turning certain players against the object of his ire, and willfully destroy teams. Roy has no such history. Furthermore, he doesn't possess the gravitas to do so even if he wanted to.

It is true that Roy doesn't cause the same level of distraction and division as TO - no one will argue otherwise.

He is criticizing Romo in the media and we cannot tolerate this right now as a franchise. Romo must presently be respected as the undisputed leader of the offensive unit. He had trouble establishing himself due to the presence of TO and that is why TO had to go. He is just starting to grow into the role and we have to nurture it.

 

[Eskimo]

Please post anything that proves your theory. Unless you know him personally or have been privvy to this special form of denial in person, you are extrapolating something without enough evidence to make your assumptions empirical.

Listen to all his excuses about his level of production - it is obvious he just doesn't get it. That's all the evidence I need - his words and his stats.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Bottom line......Roy threw his QB under the bus to excuse his own poor play.


The Roy defenders can try to sugar coat this all they want, but it is what it is.

 

[Trendnet]

RW is a Texas and UT legend - he is cut a ridiculous amount of slack by his "followers" - meaning those who like RW more than they like the Cowboys. This is one type of RW sheep.

The other type of sheep is more of a homer Cowboys fan sheep - they will always choose to see the Cowboys and its players in a positive light, especially when allegedly tackled in the media. These are the homer Sheep.

There are those who just believe Roy is a good player who is going to help the Cowboys but are in denial regarding the level of quality of his play.

So there are definitely shades of grey here.

I tend to be on the opposite end of the spectrum because RW has always rubbed me the wrong way with his arrogance and selfishness. For a guy who hasn't accomplished all that much, he has an awful high opinion of himself. WRs should be in their prime in their 6th season - I really doubt the issue is that Romo can't throw him the ball accurately. This notion seems almost preposterous to me. The problem lies with RW but since he believes he is doing nothing wrong he will not put in the extra work to correct what he is doing wrong.

You know it's interesting that you call anyone who doesn't bash Roy Williams 'sheep'.

I guess you're an individual and not a sheep... just like all the other individual Roy Williams bashers.

No,

You're special.