Adrian Peterson's "agent" refuses meeting with Vikes GM

[gmoney112]

Why, because he had 1200 or so yards his last full season?

Lol, 1266 yards while being injured a couple games, being shut down for a few others, and having HIS SON DIE DURING THE SEASON.

Also that team was utterly terrible. Demarco under those same conditions, would have gotten about 700 yards. My cousin lives in Minny and is a huge Vikes fan. I watched a lot of Vikings games. That was a terrible football team led by the honorable Matt Cassel.

And to answer your question, AD would make this offense unstoppable. The point differential from having him on the field would be more than Spikes/Mosley and some 4th tier CB available put together.

The formula is quite simple. On offense you want to score more points, on defense you want to allow less. You have a set amount of resources to allocate to accomplish this feat during the offseason. Does AD on offense increase your scoring enough to offset the defensive point allowed by possible FA acquisitions on defense at this point in the game (Hardy being the exception here and we got him)?

And I think the answer, unequivocally, is yes.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

I understand your argument about Romo's window. There is a logical inclination to think that way, but it is a trap. 1. You are assuming Adrian Peterson can return to form, despite being on the wrong side of 30 and being 1 year removed from football. 2. You are assuming his presence would win the Cowboys 2 Super Bowls. That is a huge leap, even if Adrian Peterson tramples over point #1. 3. Somewhat of an extension of point #2, but you are also assuming that the Cowboys will at the very least maintain status quo at every other position on the team, despite the considerable exodus they have experienced by their Free Agents seeking greener pastures, the veterans getting older, and the possible decline in ability for inexplicable reasons by recently acquired talent and/or current players on the team.

All of this, while the safer, considerably cheaper and longer lasting bet will be sitting in the draft; this year more so than any year since 2008 per several respected scouts.

There is the risk, that signing AP for the sole purpose of making a SB, fails.
I take that risk.

He is 30. And it wouldn't be smart, to ignore that. But by all accounts, he is in awesome shape right now. The guy truly is blessed physically. One of a kind. Can he hold up for a full season? I honestly dont know.....and maybe no one else does either...however
I take that risk.

I see are defense as Tier 2 and 3 guys who have heart and hustle. Rotate them in Rotate them out. Carter, Durant, etc etc. while good role players, can be replaced. This team is built around Romo and that offense. The Defense just has to hold. It doesnt have to be and wont be great. And thats where we lost most of our guys. The offense has to be Great. It has to dominate. TOP, run when it needs to, play catch up when it needs to,Pass when it needs to, etc etc etc.

Its a risk for sure.....he is 30. And It will be a hefty payday. But,
I take that risk.

I actually think its a bigger risk relying on a rookie to give you what you have to have, to make a SB run..... but thats just me,,,,Its going to be real interesting to see how this all plays out. I cant remember looking forward to a season as much as I am this one. And, I will admit. The thought of AP(If all the assumptions pan out) behind our young good Offensive line, and I think,,,,,, Yeah.....2000k plus!!!! And I see Romo throwing a TD pass to Witten and Dez in the Super Bowl....

We got 2-3 years. After that , Romo is gone.....We beating Seattle with Weeden? Vaughn?

 

[JoeBoBBY]

So average get's 1,800 yds. Great gets what? 2,500+ yds?

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[JoeBoBBY]

And if that is the decision they make, then I understand that position. Its not exactly "wrong"....

I think it would be a mistake to pass on AP though. ??

I cant wait for this season to start!

 

[ConstantReboot]

Imagine this - Peterson and McFadden in the same backfield. It probably won't happen but that is overkill.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

Imagine this - Peterson and McFadden in the same backfield. It probably won't happen but that is overkill.

We are going to want to limit AP as much as we can during the regular season.....

Send in the platoon of DMF, Randle, Williams, rookie...whoever,

We want AP fresh when we have to play that @#$#@$ Carroll and Sherman and Cam...and Lynch too, who will be 29.

 

[endersdragon]

Lol, 1266 yards while being injured a couple games, being shut down for a few others, and having HIS SON DIE DURING THE SEASON.

Also that team was utterly terrible. Demarco under those same conditions, would have gotten about 700 yards. My cousin lives in Minny and is a huge Vikes fan. I watched a lot of Vikings games. That was a terrible football team led by the honorable Matt Cassel.

And to answer your question, AD would make this offense unstoppable. The point differential from having him on the field would be more than Spikes/Mosley and some 4th tier CB available put together.

The formula is quite simple. On offense you want to score more points, on defense you want to allow less. You have a set amount of resources to allocate to accomplish this feat during the offseason. Does AD on offense increase your scoring enough to offset the defensive point allowed by possible FA acquisitions on defense at this point in the game (Hardy being the exception here and we got him)?

And I think the answer, unequivocally, is yes.

In 2009 he had a pretty great team all around him (very very very close to being in the Super Bowl)... he ran for just shy of 1,400 yards. 2010, less good team, slightly fewer yards. 2011 and 2013 he got hurt both years and had an bad and average season. My question is, why do we just assume he will be his 2012 self (or even 2008 self) with this team? He has ran for over 1,400 yards twice in his career, yet we know he will run it for over 2,000 here, why? Beyond that, two of his past 3 seasons he has gotten hurt, which tends to get worse as time goes on, so once again... why are we so sure he will be his 2012 self. Do I think he will come in here and run for maybe 1,400 yards this season, yes... if he stays healthy he will. Do I think he is that much better, at this point in his career, than guys like Gurley, Gordon, or even David Johnson, no I don't, and considering he will want a multi-year contract, with lots of guaranteed $$$, and some team will give it to him, I would rather that team not be us. Lastly, HE ISN'T A FREE AGENT. The Vikings have him, and we are showing no interest that we want him.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

In 2009 he had a pretty great team all around him (very very very close to being in the Super Bowl)... he ran for just shy of 1,400 yards. 2010, less good team, slightly fewer yards. 2011 and 2013 he got hurt both years and had an bad and average season. My question is, why do we just assume he will be his 2012 self (or even 2008 self) with this team? He has ran for over 1,400 yards twice in his career, yet we know he will run it for over 2,000 here, why? Beyond that, two of his past 3 seasons he has gotten hurt, which tends to get worse as time goes on, so once again... why are we so sure he will be his 2012 self. Do I think he will come in here and run for maybe 1,400 yards this season, yes... if he stays healthy he will. Do I think he is that much better, at this point in his career, than guys like Gurley, Gordon, or even David Johnson, no I don't, and considering he will want a multi-year contract, with lots of guaranteed $$$, and some team will give it to him, I would rather that team not be us. Lastly, HE ISN'T A FREE AGENT. The Vikings have him, and we are showing no interest that we want him.

All valid points. No one knows if he returns to his 2012 form. But you would think , behind this line, he has a better shot to do that, then he does in minny...

And I am not so much concerned about the number of yards he puts up. I think we get caught up into that a little too much....

I just want him to be fresh, and when we call his number to make those 3-4 yards. He gets them. I want the coaching staff trusting the RB when those calls have to be made, instead of falling back to Romo. I want him fresh for Dec, January, Feb.....The total yards he gets for the season mean nothing to me.

And all those rookies look great. Just great. But you all know as well as I do, that always doesnt translate to the NFL.......it just doesn't.

 

[endersdragon]

All valid points. No one knows if he returns to his 2012 form. But you would think , behind this line, he has a better shot to do that, then he does in minny...

And I am not so much concerned about the number of yards he puts up. I think we get caught up into that a little too much....

I just want him to be fresh, and when we call his number to make those 3-4 yards. He gets them. I want the coaching staff trusting the RB when those calls have to be made, instead of falling back to Romo. I want him fresh for Dec, January, Feb.....The total yards he gets for the season mean nothing to me.

And all those rookies look great. Just great. But you all know as well as I do, that always doesnt translate to the NFL.......it just doesn't.

I don't like the thought of paying $8-9 million (which he will demand, and he will get) for a guy that we keep fresh and ask to come in to get those special yards. I think there are far better ways to do that, than to go get a guy like AP. I think by filling our holes on defense, we can make the defense really really good, like top 5 good (I think all the tools are there, especially with DLaw having another year and Hardy coming to town), but a defense is as good as it's weakest link. If we have a weak DT, it will allow them to double up guys like Hardy with impunity and they will run his way more. If we have a weak nickelback they will toss his way every play until we sacrifice to help him out, which leaves more guys one on one, etc. I would take a top 5 defense, over a slightly better offense... but that's just me.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

I don't like the thought of paying $8-9 million (which he will demand, and he will get) for a guy that we keep fresh and ask to come in to get those special yards. I think there are far better ways to do that, than to go get a guy like AP. I think by filling our holes on defense, we can make the defense really really good, like top 5 good (I think all the tools are there, especially with DLaw having another year and Hardy coming to town), but a defense is as good as it's weakest link. If we have a weak DT, it will allow them to double up guys like Hardy with impunity and they will run his way more. If we have a weak nickelback they will toss his way every play until we sacrifice to help him out, which leaves more guys one on one, etc. I would take a top 5 defense, over a slightly better offense... but that's just me.

No , thats a strong argument. Point taken.

I'm obsessed with AP behind this line.......................I admit it.

 

[joseephuss]

Everyone's saying Dallas cant afford him? Has Peterson even made any statements about how much money it will cost to sign him to a new contract. I say he plays for the Cowboys for 6 mil a year. Anyone else 13 Mil. Therefore nobody accept Dallas can afford him.
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He isn't playing for $6 million a year. He won't be taking a 60% pay cut.

 

[Stash]

He isn't playing for $6 million a year. He won't be taking a 60% pay cut.

If Minnesota ends up releasing him, he's taking a 100% pay cut. And then he's playing for what the market offers him or not at all. Based in his actions, money is clearly not his primary objective. If it were, he would be a good soldier in Minnesota, which is obviously not the case.

I think he gets a 3-4 year deal for $25-$30 million from Dallas with a funny money year in 2017 or 2018.

 

[JBS]

Cowboys don't want to pay ANY rb, 27 or older. Including AP at age 30. Because they know this draft is one of the deepest in rb talent.

Hypothetical situation....

Cowboys do go out and acquire Peterson...

Does that lead you to believe that they didn't think as highly of Murray as you think?

 

[JBS]

Fish also said no on Hardy a couple of days before he signed in Dallas....

 

[Broges74]

Hardy, Dez and AP? Are we offering free Domestic violence classes too? Wow. Cheerleaders with black eyes?

 

[joseephuss]

If Minnesota ends up releasing him, he's taking a 100% pay cut. And then he's playing for what the market offers him or not at all. Based in his actions, money is clearly not his primary objective. If it were, he would be a good soldier in Minnesota, which is obviously not the case.

I think he gets a 3-4 year deal for $25-$30 million from Dallas with a funny money year in 2017 or 2018.

That would still be more than $6 million a year, which is what I said he wouldn't accept.

As I said, money may not be his primary objective, but it does matter. He isn't playing for free or taking a 50% to 60% pay cut especially when he sees Marshawn Lynch getting $12 million a year and DeMarco Murray, Lesean McCoy and Arian Foster getting $8 million a year.

 

[Bowdown27]

Fish also said no on Hardy a couple of days before he signed in Dallas....

Yea I was thinking the same thing. He's been off lately

 

[Stash]

That would still be more than $6 million a year, which is what I said he wouldn't accept.

In that, we completely agree.

As I said, money may not be his primary objective, but it does matter. He isn't playing for free or taking a 50% to 60% pay cut especially when he sees Marshawn Lynch getting $12 million a year and DeMarco Murray, Lesean McCoy and Arian Foster getting $8 million a year.

I expect him to get that $8 million. The deal might even look like $10 million when it's initially announced. But the actual terms and length will prove to be shorter than the Murray or McCoy deals. In my opinion of course.

I think playing in Texas and for the Cowboys counts for an awful lot to he and his family.

An awful lot.

 

[Stash]

Hypothetical situation....

Cowboys do go out and acquire Peterson...

Does that lead you to believe that they didn't think as highly of Murray as you think?

Speaking for myself, I think they had a dollar amount on what they thought of Murray. He was '$6 million good'. And the rest they attributed to the offensive line and the rest of the offense.

 

[joseephuss]

In that, we completely agree.



I expect him to get that $8 million. The deal might even look like $10 million when it's initially announced. But the actual terms and length will prove to be shorter than the Murray or McCoy deals. In my opinion of course.

I think playing in Texas and for the Cowboys counts for an awful lot to he and his family.

An awful lot.

His current contract he is scheduled to make $45 million over the next 3 seasons. If he accepted $12 million a year like Lynch he would take home $36 million over the next 3 seasons. If he accepts $10 million a year then he would take home $30 million over the next 3 seasons. Accepting $9 million to $15 million less than he is currently scheduled to make is indeed an awful lot. So much so that is seems unreasonable. Dallas at most would probably offer $8 million a year and maybe not even that much, which would mean he would possibly take home $24 million over the next 3 seasons. That is just a lot of money to leave on the table for the best running back in the league.