Baker Mayfield vs Dak Prescott

[CATCH17]

Baker misses those soft and plump big 12 defenses.

 

[Runwildboys]

He’s an Int machine you say? Well playing our defense should be the best medicine for him.

Or our defense. Something's gotta give!

 

[Runwildboys]

He was never a Cowboys killer.

You'd only think that if all you watched were the highlights of his one handed grab, shown every time we've played the Giants since then.....I wonder how many times they'll show it on Sunday.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Baker had obvious weaknesses coming out and had no business going 1 overall.

At OU he showed a great ability to scramble and to complete an uncannily high % of passes but that was almost solely based upon passes under 10 yards (mostly tunnel screens and quick hitch type stuff) or deep stuff off play action where he had 4 star WRs facing secondaries they badly out-manned. He had no real targets in the NFL sweet spot of 10-30 yards.

He had compete and fight for sure.
But he also made things harder for himself at times with over the top insecurities.
He turned on Kliff Kingsbury who is the best QB coaching mind in recent NCAA history.
He ended up in the same offense most of his life (HS in Austin to Tech to OU) and was very well polished in it at OU.

His baseline athletic traits are actually below average and he was only a 3 star high school recruit that went the walk on route. (tho he's a rich kid so that's not really a huge story).
6 foot and a half inch at 215 pounds with a BMI of about 30.
4.84 40 time.

BUT he had some moxie and some quickness. He has enough arm if not truly plus. He is very comfortable with handling the ball and making play fakes.
He will take a hard hit and get up taunting the defense.
Lots to like there but he should have been a round 2 guy that sat a full year with lesser immediate expectations and went to a spread style/2 minute offense.

Baker played with better players/coaches around him then virtually every team he faced.
That always makes these things harder.
The NFL removes those advantages and asks you the QB to provide the difference.

I think he doesn't have the right arm strength, or pehaps that's me. his mechanics are not that great, which leads to inaccurate throws. he doesn't ahve the big size WRs that would make some of the catches when he is off, thus his inaccuracies make things worse. he also doesn't read defenses very well and his recognition lacks...

he has good players around him that help hide his inefficiencies. that's why the browns have been leaning on the run game a lot, and TOP to shorten the game for him.....he will make some plays against cowboys defense. every team has, but I don't see him at the same level as Ryan, Wilson, to be able to put the team on his back if it comes down to that.

 

[Bobhaze]

Baker Mayfield was a good college player, but at OU, he was the beneficiary of having superior talent playing with him in almost every game. It’s completely different in the NFL, where the talent gaps are usually razor thin.

I thought coming out of college, Mayfield was vastly overrated. He’s a decent NFL QB, but he throws a lot of silly INTs, and he has a little too much confidence in his arm, which is just average. He is relatively mobile in the pocket, but he can’t be considered one of the best. He can be rattled into making silly mistakes, and if he gets frustrated early, he has a tendency to put too much on himself instead of trusting teammates.

Certainly Mayfield is capable of having a good game Sunday, and I think he can have a decent career. Will he ever live up to being the #1 pick in the entire draft in 2019? I seriously doubt it. Quite frankly, Dak is better now, and I believe will have a far better career.

 

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[Direwolf63]

Does the name Trevor Siemian ring a bell to anyone? A couple years back, he roasted the Cowboys in Denver.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Mayfield do the same thing. Especially with this defense.

If this defense is good at anything, it's their ability to make any ham and egger QB look like Patrick Mahomes on steroids.

This defense needs to start figuring things out. And fast.

Mayfield will have a good day, bur the Cowboys win a high scoring one.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

You are ABSOLUTELY right..... i am really really sad... and to a point resigned that this will be our reality for years to come

Well damn I hope this is temporary lol.

 

[Jfconrow]

The browns have sucked for so long half their team is top 10 picks, personally I’m not sure I’d have drafted the Karate Kid, I’ll go with Dak. The only thing I’m concerned about is the Browns are maybe better in the trenches.

 

[Future]

Dak is a MUCH better quarterback. Baker has the QB iq and decision making of a potato compared to Dak.

Pretty much. I know he was kind of a system guy in college, but I never would have thought he'd have as much trouble seeing the field as he does.

 

[Swagger]

Mayfield is amongst the worst quarterbacks in the league and for that reason we start as favourites.

Interesting game. One which we really shouldn't lose.

One of the rare match ups where I would rather have Prescott as the QB!

 

[nalam]

We made Donald into a HOFer. Can't imagine how good Mayfield will look.....

You mean Miles Garett?

 

[Redball Express]

Going in into this Browns game, i'm hearing more concerns for Miles Garrett and Nick Chubb,..than
what i'm hearing about the great QB Baker Mayfield, (once the No.1 overall pick in the NFL draft)

- But Baker's game seems so erratic and wild and so unstable that he's not a passing strength vs the better teams , he's not an established strength,..his mechanics are so shoddy- those fadeaway jump shot passes, ..he panics in the pocket and bails out too many times.
He just does not connect and involve his WRs. ..and he's an INT machine

People gripe abut Dak Prescott in Cowboys nation - but compare the No.1 overall pick in NFL draft in
Baker Mayfield vs a 4th round pick in Dak Prescott .

Who is the more established QB ? Which player involves their WRs in the pass game ?

maybe gong thru all of these OC's sets Baker back some,.but i have to wonder about his coachability
and poise and composure.
And Mayfield is struggling..then OJ Beckham is gonna struggle.

- And remember when WR OJ Beckham used to be a Cowboys killer ?
is anyone concerned about Beckham nowadays ? You would think with an No.1 overall pick QB
in Baker Mayfield that's supposed to be a might better advantage for OJ than aging Eli Manning,..

i frankly have not heard much from Beckham since he whined his way out of NY Giants ...

For your consideration..

 

[Maxmadden]

Thanknyou for saying this.

People dont realize that Dak now is judged like a top 5 qb because he is paid like one. The expectations werent that high when he was in his rookie contract. They arose after he demanded to be paid like an all pro. Now he is paid like that so lets play like it.

To compare a 2nd year rookie qb to a 5 year veteran is unfair also.

I expect dak zo light it up against the browns. It should be stats wise like wilson against dak last week. Everything else is a bad showing by dak.

It is actually his 3rd year, does that still qualify him as a rookie?

 

[ConstantReboot]

Thanknyou for saying this.

People dont realize that Dak now is judged like a top 5 qb because he is paid like one. The expectations werent that high when he was in his rookie contract. They arose after he demanded to be paid like an all pro. Now he is paid like that so lets play like it.

To compare a 2nd year rookie qb to a 5 year veteran is unfair also.

I expect dak zo light it up against the browns. It should be stats wise like wilson against dak last week. Everything else is a bad showing by dak.

On the flipside Dak was a 4th round pick that got paid as one of the lowest wages for a starting QB. Yet he has exceeded expectations - even surpassing QBs that gotten drafted before him and gotten big paychecks such Wentz, Goff, Cousins, etc.

Some of these top 5 picks haven't even equaled Dak's production in his first and 2nd year. Yet here we are. We expect Dak to play for peanuts and say that he needs to show that his top 5 in order to get a big pay day. Whether is his a top 5 QB or not is not my point.

My point is that Dak deserves his money. I don't think its 40 million a year. But he's not asking that. But he deserves more than just a mere million per. year don't you think? Certainly more than what Baker Mayfield is getting at the moment.

 

[BobbyFlame469]

Thanknyou for saying this.

People dont realize that Dak now is judged like a top 5 qb because he is paid like one. The expectations werent that high when he was in his rookie contract. They arose after he demanded to be paid like an all pro. Now he is paid like that so lets play like it.

To compare a 2nd year rookie qb to a 5 year veteran is unfair also.

I expect dak zo light it up against the browns. It should be stats wise like wilson against dak last week. Everything else is a bad showing by dak.

He’s in his third year

 

[Hadenough]

Let's start a Dak thread for every QB ever drafted.

Yeah, that'd be cool.

YES, Dallas got a steal getting Dak in the 4th.

He's in his 5th year now and, by the very definition of the franchise tag requirements, is getting paid like a top tier QB.
Can we get over the draft position finally?

Agree! Dak is no longer a bargain on a rookie 4th round contract. He is getting paid top money and now it's time to show he is worth it.

 

[TwentyOne]

He’s in his third year

Oops. Thanks for the heads up.

 

[TwentyOne]

On the flipside Dak was a 4th round pick that got paid as one of the lowest wages for a starting QB. Yet he has exceeded expectations - even surpassing QBs that gotten drafted before him and gotten big paychecks such Wentz, Goff, Cousins, etc.

Some of these top 5 picks haven't even equaled Dak's production in his first and 2nd year. Yet here we are. We expect Dak to play for peanuts and say that he needs to show that his top 5 in order to get a big pay day. Whether is his a top 5 QB or not is not my point.

My point is that Dak deserves his money. I don't think its 40 million a year. But he's not asking that. But he deserves more than just a mere million per. year don't you think? Certainly more than what Baker Mayfield is getting at the moment.

You are right he is a QB who should earn more than 1 mil/year. That was never the question for me (i consciously dont use the word "deserves" here because it has too much other emotional meanings involved). I dont even expect him to play for peanuts.

What you are missing is that Dak does not wait for his big pay day anymore. He got it this year. Given, this is not a longterm contract but the guy has been given a big paycheck. There is no more value in the saying "pay the man". He got payed.

Its also doesnt lead to anything to compare him to players who (in your mind) didnt pan out but were higher draft picks. There is a reason they were picked higher and there was a reason Prescott has been picked that low. It was their college career. You cant blame dallas for his past.

I do understand we were lucky having found him. But we also took a risk. It goes both ways. There were 4 rounds of 31 teams who thought of him else. Its not like it was a sure thing he panned out.

With the demands he has right now (salary) you have to compare him to the top 5 or 6 QBs in this league right now. And now that he got payed like them its time for him to play like that. And not the way he played when he was "underpayed".

To me its not about being a 4th rounder and having been cheap. Its what you have shown so far and what i do think you are talent wise being able to be in the future.

Thats being said the question to me is - and it is since the debatte started, and sorry if i did not change my mind till now - the question is: is this the QB that will be able to help me achieve my goals. Maybe some of the posters goals here have not the same like mine. That changes their approach and explains their believe. But mine are: i want to find a QB who is able to have my franchise compete for a championshipon on a regular basis.

That QB i will pay. A QB who is not able to do that i wont pay. If its 40 mils per year or 30 or 20 doesnt matter. I wont pay such a qb longterm. Because i dont want to bind my fate to that.

And as i said and will say again and again: what dak has shown me thru his college career and his 4 year nfl span he is not that guy. To me he is an slightly below average NFL QB. And that is - per (my) definition - not good enough to win a championship in the NFL.

See "deserve" has nothing to do with it. Not for me. Its too emotional.

 

[Cowboysheelsreds053]

well that cements that he will have like 250 & 4TD's against us Sunday.

After last 2 games, that is not far fetched, since our secondary could not cover an 80 year old Grandpa.