Baker Mayfield vs Dak Prescott

[TwentyOne]

It is actually his 3rd year, does that still qualify him as a rookie?

From what i read from pro-Dak-people you are a rookie even after your 4th year

 

[Maxmadden]

From what i read from pro-Dak-people you are a rookie even after your 4th year

The pro Dak or Pro Romo and all the haters are just a minority on this board that like to argue in the wind.

Most fans couldn't give a ****, because we realize we don't have a choice.

 

[ConstantReboot]

You are right he is a QB who should earn more than 1 mil/year. That was never the question for me (i consciously dont use the word "deserves" here because it has too much other emotional meanings involved). I dont even expect him to play for peanuts.

What you are missing is that Dak does not wait for his big pay day anymore. He got it this year. Given, this is not a longterm contract but the guy has been given a big paycheck. There is no more value in the saying "pay the man". He got payed.

Its also doesnt lead to anything to compare him to players who (in your mind) didnt pan out but were higher draft picks. There is a reason they were picked higher and there was a reason Prescott has been picked that low. It was their college career. You cant blame dallas for his past.

I do understand we were lucky having found him. But we also took a risk. It goes both ways. There were 4 rounds of 31 teams who thought of him else. Its not like it was a sure thing he panned out.

With the demands he has right now (salary) you have to compare him to the top 5 or 6 QBs in this league right now. And now that he got payed like them its time for him to play like that. And not the way he played when he was "underpayed".

To me its not about being a 4th rounder and having been cheap. Its what you have shown so far and what i do think you are talent wise being able to be in the future.

Thats being said the question to me is - and it is since the debatte started, and sorry if i did not change my mind till now - the question is: is this the QB that will be able to help me achieve my goals. Maybe some of the posters goals here have not the same like mine. That changes their approach and explains their believe. But mine are: i want to find a QB who is able to have my franchise compete for a championshipon on a regular basis.

That QB i will pay. A QB who is not able to do that i wont pay. If its 40 mils per year or 30 or 20 doesnt matter. I wont pay such a qb longterm. Because i dont want to bind my fate to that.

And as i said and will say again and again: what dak has shown me thru his college career and his 4 year nfl span he is not that guy. To me he is an slightly below average NFL QB. And that is - per (my) definition - not good enough to win a championship in the NFL.

See "deserve" has nothing to do with it. Not for me. It's too emotional.

Thanks for the lengthy response.

All I ask is that if it's not Dak Prescott than who?

What I'm seeing in this year's Dallas team is that Dak is the only one living up to expectation.

Our defense is certainly not living up to expectations. In fact, it's our Achilles heel. Why are very few people pointing out that our defense is our #1 issue? Not Dak.

Special teams have been a disaster.

Coaching has been atrocious.

Zeke and the running game has played terribly. Zeke is getting paid top dollar and is having a 4 yards a carry. Why is there more finger-pointing to Dak than there is to Zeke?

In my opinion, Dak has played well enough and more than what is expected of him. What has the rest of the team done lately?

 

[basel90]

Baker is a very solid QB . He should be taken very seriously . He can have a fantastic game against anyone. Watched him torch baltimore at their home last year. He is very accurate but takes chances sometimes and he has had 4 offensive coordinators to deal with . If he gets hot , watch out.

 

[GORICO]

Going in into this Browns game, i'm hearing more concerns for Miles Garrett and Nick Chubb,..than
what i'm hearing about the great QB Baker Mayfield, (once the No.1 overall pick in the NFL draft)

- But Baker's game seems so erratic and wild and so unstable that he's not a passing strength vs the better teams , he's not an established strength,..his mechanics are so shoddy- those fadeaway jump shot passes, ..he panics in the pocket and bails out too many times.
He just does not connect and involve his WRs. ..and he's an INT machine

People gripe abut Dak Prescott in Cowboys nation - but compare the No.1 overall pick in NFL draft in
Baker Mayfield vs a 4th round pick in Dak Prescott .

Who is the more established QB ? Which player involves their WRs in the pass game ?

maybe gong thru all of these OC's sets Baker back some,.but i have to wonder about his coachability
and poise and composure.
And Mayfield is struggling..then OJ Beckham is gonna struggle.

- And remember when WR OJ Beckham used to be a Cowboys killer ?
is anyone concerned about Beckham nowadays ? You would think with an No.1 overall pick QB
in Baker Mayfield that's supposed to be a might better advantage for OJ than aging Eli Manning,..

i frankly have not heard much from Beckham since he whined his way out of NY Giants ...

Quick---- Mayfield had a real decent rookie year but since then he has not materialized

 

[GORICO]

Going in into this Browns game, i'm hearing more concerns for Miles Garrett and Nick Chubb,..than
what i'm hearing about the great QB Baker Mayfield, (once the No.1 overall pick in the NFL draft)

- But Baker's game seems so erratic and wild and so unstable that he's not a passing strength vs the better teams , he's not an established strength,..his mechanics are so shoddy- those fadeaway jump shot passes, ..he panics in the pocket and bails out too many times.
He just does not connect and involve his WRs. ..and he's an INT machine

People gripe abut Dak Prescott in Cowboys nation - but compare the No.1 overall pick in NFL draft in
Baker Mayfield vs a 4th round pick in Dak Prescott .

Who is the more established QB ? Which player involves their WRs in the pass game ?

maybe gong thru all of these OC's sets Baker back some,.but i have to wonder about his coachability
and poise and composure.
And Mayfield is struggling..then OJ Beckham is gonna struggle.

- And remember when WR OJ Beckham used to be a Cowboys killer ?
is anyone concerned about Beckham nowadays ? You would think with an No.1 overall pick QB
in Baker Mayfield that's supposed to be a might better advantage for OJ than aging Eli Manning,..

i frankly have not heard much from Beckham since he whined his way out of NY Giants ...

i am just as concerned about Chubb as i am Miles Garrett

 

[CWR]

Going in into this Browns game, i'm hearing more concerns for Miles Garrett and Nick Chubb,..than
what i'm hearing about the great QB Baker Mayfield, (once the No.1 overall pick in the NFL draft)

- But Baker's game seems so erratic and wild and so unstable that he's not a passing strength vs the better teams , he's not an established strength,..his mechanics are so shoddy- those fadeaway jump shot passes, ..he panics in the pocket and bails out too many times.
He just does not connect and involve his WRs. ..and he's an INT machine

People gripe abut Dak Prescott in Cowboys nation - but compare the No.1 overall pick in NFL draft in
Baker Mayfield vs a 4th round pick in Dak Prescott .

Who is the more established QB ? Which player involves their WRs in the pass game ?

maybe gong thru all of these OC's sets Baker back some,.but i have to wonder about his coachability
and poise and composure.
And Mayfield is struggling..then OJ Beckham is gonna struggle.

- And remember when WR OJ Beckham used to be a Cowboys killer ?
is anyone concerned about Beckham nowadays ? You would think with an No.1 overall pick QB
in Baker Mayfield that's supposed to be a might better advantage for OJ than aging Eli Manning,..

i frankly have not heard much from Beckham since he whined his way out of NY Giants ...

People around here don't watch how much some of the leagues other qbs suck. Its laughable to think getting rid of Dak means we get an automatic upgrade. The odds are we end up worse off.

 

[blueblood70]

the qb comps get old and the saying Aqb vs Bqb is moot really insignificant IMHO.. they paly the defense not each other, they play with different players and coaches in a different scheme and play different opponents at different times..

hard to say how Baker would have done here and Dak there in equal situations.

this game is the DC vs The browns not Dak vs baker..

 

[blueblood70]

i am just as concerned about Chubb as i am Miles Garrett

and they need to be concerned about Zeke and Asmith

 

[JJHLH1]

Dak is by far the superior QB compared to Mayfield.

Having said that I fully expect Mayfield to light it up against our weak defense.

 

[GMO415]

They can do that.

And do it exceptionality well.

 

[DFWJC]

Can't say I ever thought Baker was all that.

Murray > Mayfield fo-sho

 

[catiii]

I'll say it again. He's going to shred our D like Steve Lukather (Toto) shreds on guitar. especially now that you said he was no good. It's a jinx I tell ya!

 

[DandyDon52]

I saw the 1st half of the 2nd game with Cin, and he looked pretty good to me. better than last year.
Him and beckham are just now starting to click.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Going in into this Browns game, i'm hearing more concerns for Miles Garrett and Nick Chubb,..than
what i'm hearing about the great QB Baker Mayfield, (once the No.1 overall pick in the NFL draft)

- But Baker's game seems so erratic and wild and so unstable that he's not a passing strength vs the better teams , he's not an established strength,..his mechanics are so shoddy- those fadeaway jump shot passes, ..he panics in the pocket and bails out too many times.
He just does not connect and involve his WRs. ..and he's an INT machine

People gripe abut Dak Prescott in Cowboys nation - but compare the No.1 overall pick in NFL draft in
Baker Mayfield vs a 4th round pick in Dak Prescott .

Who is the more established QB ? Which player involves their WRs in the pass game ?

maybe gong thru all of these OC's sets Baker back some,.but i have to wonder about his coachability
and poise and composure.
And Mayfield is struggling..then OJ Beckham is gonna struggle.

- And remember when WR OJ Beckham used to be a Cowboys killer ?
is anyone concerned about Beckham nowadays ? You would think with an No.1 overall pick QB
in Baker Mayfield that's supposed to be a might better advantage for OJ than aging Eli Manning,..

i frankly have not heard much from Beckham since he whined his way out of NY Giants ...

Yet, so many want to tank in order to get a high 1st round pick next year while getting rid of Dak. Crazy.

 

[DandyDon52]

I'll say it again. He's going to shred our D like Steve Lukather (Toto) shreds on guitar. especially now that you said he was no good. It's a jinx I tell ya!

yeah and if Dallas covers beckham like they did lockett, it could get ugly.

 

[khiladi]

Baker Mayfiekd now has BC operating the OL and he’s essentially putting up Dak like numbers of 69% completion percentage the last two games in year 3. Dak was UTTER trash in year 3, when they didn’t have Cooper and couldn’t break 200 yards passing for multiple games. Dak still had on OC with multiple years of experience, while BM now has Alex Van Pelt. Last year, Baker Mayfiekd was sacked 40 times and they had one of the worst OLs in football.

So essentially two scrub QBs surrounded by lots of talent, Dak surrounded by way more talent the majority of his career and both of them are essentially driving the bus.

 

[khiladi]

We already have an upgrade over Dak with Dalton, and much cheaper. Then Moore can actually employ a traditional 5-7 step drop regularly with this guy, surrounded by all this talent. There is a reason dudes numbers were better than Dak’s in pre-season, running similar snaps.

 

[Carson]

According to Cowherd

Browns are 7-1 when Baker throws less than 26 times. 8-17 when he throws more.

 

[JayFord]

It dont matter who plays qb if they keep letting wr get 15 yards behind him

no qb is reading anything or fitting it into tight windows

its just step back and launch it......men are 20 yards behind our secondary