Can Newman Stick with Moss?

[MichaelWinicki]

Kevin Smith shut down Jerry Rice in his prime consistently, playing man-on-man all day long...

I think Kevin Smith was greatly underrated as a corner prior to his injury. HOWEVER Kevin Smith was the beneficiary of perhaps the deepest defensive line rotation in NFL history. Newman has never had the pass rush that Kevin Smith experienced. Kevin Smith was a fine corner with better play making skills than Newman. But as a physical talent Newman was superior to Smith and probably a little better in coverage. I doubt that Kevin Smith could have kept all opponents from scoring a TD against him in '05 like Newman did-- not with the pass rush (or lack there of) that Newman had to put up with.

 

[Doomsday101]

Moss doesn't go over the middle and shies away from contact. Plus, Brady has been getting all day to pass from the pocket... He has seen very little pressure, so it gives plenty of time for Moss to run downfield...

the plays Moss scores on, I see him wide-open, except for the TD last night, where he just out-leaped the defender...

Brady did good avoid the rush last night when Cinn went 4 man front he had all day when they sent rushers he was able to side step them and move out of the pocket and still make the throws. As for Moss his only weakness I have seen is he tends to run sloppy routs and I agree he does not do a lot of work over the middle but Brady has targets he can find over the middle who can make the plays. I think Dallas can win this game but I expect this to be a very big challenge for the Cowboys and expect this one to go down to the wire.

 

[CATCH17]

I think Kevin Smith was greatly underrated as a corner prior to his injury. HOWEVER Kevin Smith was the beneficiary of perhaps the deepest defensive line rotation in NFL history. Newman has never had the pass rush that Kevin Smith experienced. Kevin Smith was a fine corner with better play making skills than Newman. But as a physical talent Newman was superior to Smith and probably a little better in coverage. I doubt that Kevin Smith could have kept all opponents from scoring a TD against him in '05 like Newman did-- not with the pass rush (or lack there of) that Newman had to put up with.

Thank you

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

As for Moss his only weakness I have seen is he tends to run sloppy routs and I agree he does not do a lot of work over the middle but Brady has targets he can find over the middle who can make the plays. I think Dallas can win this game but I expect this to be a very big challenge for the Cowboys and expect this one to go down to the wire.

Moss goes over the middle.. but like you said not alot. I do see him diving for the turf when he see's a hit coming. <== that is key(another weakness)... gotta whack him when gets the ball... or goes for it. He aint made of much... gotta break him down.... like a boxer... "to the body"

 

[Doomsday101]

Moss goes over the middle.. but like you said not alot. I do see him diving for the turf when he see's a hit coming. <== that is key(another weakness)... gotta whack him when gets the ball... or goes for it. He aint made of much... gotta break him down.... like a boxer... "to the body"

I agree. It is important that if the CB is playing off and allowing him to catch it then the CB has to punish him as soon as he makes the catch. I don't think Moss is a guy you will shut down but if we can contain him and punish him when he does make the catches it could pay off late in the game.

 

[YosemiteSam]

I think Kevin Smith was greatly underrated as a corner prior to his injury. HOWEVER Kevin Smith was the beneficiary of perhaps the deepest defensive line rotation in NFL history. Newman has never had the pass rush that Kevin Smith experienced. Kevin Smith was a fine corner with better play making skills than Newman. But as a physical talent Newman was superior to Smith and probably a little better in coverage. I doubt that Kevin Smith could have kept all opponents from scoring a TD against him in '05 like Newman did-- not with the pass rush (or lack there of) that Newman had to put up with.

Haley was the only truly dominating defense lineman the Cowboys had from 92'-94'. Lett was pretty good too, but beyond that, it was a team effort for the Cowboys. Everyone likes to say how great Tolbert was, but he was wasn't all that great. Haley pressured QBs into Tolbert. Tolbert was about as good as Ellis is tops. Even Russell Maryland was overrated while with the Cowboys. Don't give me that pass rush garbage. Newman never faced Jerry Rice in his prime who is better than all the receivers playing today. Not only was he the greatest receiver of all time, he is the greatest offensive weapon of all time. He has the stats to prove it. (except when he faced Kevin Smith prior to Kevin's injury)

 

[YosemiteSam]

Thank you

I'm guessing you were to young to really remember the '92-'94 Cowboys.

I do. My brother was a SF fan and he HATED Kevin Smith. He hated everything about him. How he talked so much smack to Rice and then followed it up by owning Rice. He never pulled a DeAngelo Hall and talk all kinds of garbage only to get owned.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I agree. It is important that if the CB is playing off and allowing him to catch it then the CB has to punish him as soon as he makes the catch. I don't think Moss is a guy you will shut down but if we can contain him and punish him when he does make the catches it could pay off late in the game.

That's really it.


Just don't let Moss have more than 6 catches for 100 yards and a TD. Don't let him get behind the defense and then punish him after each and every catch.

 

[DallasEast]

Nobody can cover Moss on every play . He'll get his , and all you can do is hope to limit it . Put Newman man up with Stallworth and double Moss . The key for Dallas will be pretty simple . They must not turn the ball over and give Brady additional opportunities , they must tackle well and not allow Moss and Stallworth yards after the catch , and they must put pressure on Brady .

Wow, some funny stuff in this thread.

Some random thoughts:

-- Newman did great on T.O. when we finally matched him up on him. Like someone said, is Moss *that* much better than T.O.? No.

-- It seems to me that many Cowboys fans are scarred for life regarding Moss based on what he did six or seven years ago when he was at his peak and beating guys like Izell Reese and Kareem Larrimore and the other garbage defenses we threw out there at that time.

-- Does *anyone* remember when we played the Raiders a couple years ago and Newman walked down Moss even thouugh he had a 10-yard head start? (And where's that clip -- I couldn't find it on Youtube.)

-- But oh well, like I was saying, I don't think Newman is even close to 100% right now anyway. So we might not match him up anyway.

-- It'll be interesting to see how we even play Moss. I doubt we man up on him very much. But I can't wait to see if we pressure Brady or if we play coverage. We might try to just play everything over the top since Moss isn't much of an after-the-catch runner like T.O. is.

-- We could totally shut down Moss, but Welker and Stallworth could get us. Or even more worse, guys like Ben Watson. Anyone want to see Bradie James covering a guy as fast as Watson?

-- Agree with Mike that Roy needs to lay some hits out there. Stallworth and Moss can be soft.

-- Whatever we do, I think Wade will have a good plan. He played Brady pretty well last year.

Absolutely two great posts.

 

[khiladi]

Brady did good avoid the rush last night when Cinn went 4 man front he had all day when they sent rushers he was able to side step them and move out of the pocket and still make the throws. As for Moss his only weakness I have seen is he tends to run sloppy routs and I agree he does not do a lot of work over the middle but Brady has targets he can find over the middle who can make the plays. I think Dallas can win this game but I expect this to be a very big challenge for the Cowboys and expect this one to go down to the wire.

Cincinatti is garbage... Last year against San Diego, Brady threw four interceptions, because the pressure was brought... if Dallas brings the pressure, I have no doubt in the fact that we are more than adequate to handle the Patriots...

 

[YosemiteSam]

Great post Chocolate Lab. (didn't want to quote the whole thing)

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Haley was the only truly dominating defense lineman the Cowboys had from 92'-94'. Lett was pretty good too, but beyond that, it was a team effort for the Cowboys. Everyone likes to say how great Tolbert was, but he was wasn't all that great. Haley pressured QBs into Tolbert. Tolbert was about as good as Ellis is tops. Even Russell Maryland was overrated while with the Cowboys. Don't give me that pass rush garbage. Newman never faced Jerry Rice in his prime who is better than all the receivers playing today. Not only was he the greatest receiver of all time, he is the greatest offensive weapon of all time. He has the stats to prove it. (except when he faced Kevin Smith prior to Kevin's injury)

I call BS on your entire post.

Jimmie Jones was a wonderful pass rusher.

And you've forgotten Jeffcoat.

 

[YosemiteSam]

I call BS on your entire post.

Jimmie Jones was a wonderful pass rusher.

And you've forgotten Jeffcoat.

And I call your homerism. How many ProBowls did Jones and Jeffcoat get? Thats right. ZERO.

 

[Carl23]

I think that Wolfpack has it right.

Use Newman on their 2nd (Stallworth). Keep Henry up close to jam him and use Watkins over the top (because of his size/speed). Unfortunately...this will keep Roy on the sidelines more than normal...but to me, it is worth it.

As much as I hate to say it, I would stay in a nickel 'D' for most of the game and hope...hope that our front seven can get some pressure.

 

[BouncingCheese]

Dont any of you guys remember Newman running Randy Moss down during the Raiders game? Everybody was clear away from moss and he was about to go for a quick six but Newman caught up to up him.

I just dont know how Newman will fare since he is injured.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

And I call your homerism. How many ProBowls did Jones and Jeffcoat get? Thats right. ZERO.

At the end of Super Bowl 27 during the interviews someone asked Ken Norton why not a single member of the defense had not been selected for the probowl. His answer was, "We may not have any pro bowlers but we have 11 Super Bowlers." In other words he, like many of us Cowboy fans, knew the defense had been shafted to some extent by the pro bowl selection process.

You're embarrassing yourself now. You obviously have little or no recollection of that period of Cowboy's history. Please feel free to slink away quietly from this argument and we won't think any less of you.

 

[Jake0]

the plays Moss scores on, I see him wide-open, except for the TD last night, where he just out-leaped the defender...

Other than the times where he catches touchdowns over triple coverage (jets), double coverage (bills) and whatnot.... yeah, all his TDs are wide open.

 

[88 enough said]

MOSS is a Cowboy Killer, I still have nightmares watching him in purple an scoring at will againts the Cowboys

 

[CATCH17]

The pressure we used to put on Quarterbacks in the early 90s was rediculous and we had guys who were 2nd and 3rd string who would have started for other teams.

We did have the #1 D in the league for a reason. 1992 we really, REALLY, got after the QB.

 

[khiladi]

Other than the times where he catches touchdowns over triple coverage (jets), double coverage (bills) and whatnot.... yeah, all his TDs are wide open.

Yeah, all his TDs were in triple coverage, double coverage, and what not.. he must be Superman...

Jets are 28th in team defense, Cincinatti is 30th. San Diego is 25th... Buffalo Bills are a whopping 32nd...

yes, Brady has had all day to throw, and Moss is catching wide open balls... that doesn't mean Moss isn't good, but this year, he hasn't even been challenged, and Brady has been getting all day to throw...