First Round QB Success Rate in last 15 years

[Whiskey Cowboy]

I like Penix. He's got potential. My issue is if the Cowboys use their 1st or 2nd round pick to draft Penix, it clearly proves Jerry wanted a costly 4th round pick to trade for Trey Lance last year. Jerry throws so many costly picks away, plus gets rid of talent which goes and performs better elsewhere

He's made some pretty awful moves, for sure. I doubt I'll ever get over the Cooper trade. If they were to take Penix, I still wouldn't be upset about the Lance trade. Jerral remembers Carter, Hutch, Henson, Stoerner, et all. If there's a chance your QB1 will leave, you need to do everything you can to solidify the position. Having a young, talented, yet unproven vet around to challenge a promising rookie isn't a bad start.

 

[America's Cowboy]

By all accounts Dak is a #3 - mixed result - maybe you could argue low #2.

Do you pay $60 for a mixed result?

The only thing mixed is your opinion. Dak is a bonafied top 10 QB who arguably might be top 5.

 

[Cowboysfandarin]

We think of the triplets, elite quarterback, elite, running back, elite, wide receiver. But in today’s game, it’s elite quarterback, elite, wide receiver, and elite tight end.

 

[KJJ]

Yep very true as I have a hard time myself separating Dak and Tom Brady jeez so confusing I swear they are the same player or identical twins with the only exception of this.........................

Dak is better than Mark Rypien.

 

[America's Cowboy]

He's made some pretty awful moves, for sure. I doubt I'll ever get over the Cooper trade. If they were to take Penix, I still wouldn't be upset about the Lance trade. Jerral remembers Carter, Hutch, Henson, Stoerner, et all. If there's a chance your QB1 will leave, you need to do everything you can to solidify the position. Having a young, talented, yet unproven vet around to challenge a promising rookie isn't a bad start.

I get it, but it still would mean Jerry wasted this year's 4th round pick on a position not needed last year or this year. We needed that 4th round pick this year to help address other more serious positions of need. Jerry is an idiot. He doesn't know what he's doing.

 

[Mr_437]

This Rush had a 5-1 record is such a BS. The defense averaged 13 points a game and scored in that stretch. Give me that defense and we win a championship.

And seems you like to go based on exception rather than the rule. Purdy is an Anatoly. How manyb7th rounders have made it?

And lastly, it all requires a GM that can actually build a team. Something we don't have

You proved my point, Rush had a good team around him. Purdy has a good team around him. So, just build a good team, and don't over pay a QB that's not elite.

 

[jterrell]

Having a mahomes comparison qb in the draft is worth the risk every time

Mahomes would go down as a top 5 QB of all-time if he played 2-3 more years playing like his worst overall season and then retired.
You don't get that in even every 5 drafts, Maybe every 10 but even that is a stretch.

Brady and Mahomes are wayyyyyyyyyy better than Dak Prescott but have ALSO had wayyyyyy better defenses than Dak Prescott.

Dak is a better QB than Purdy or Jalen Hurts. Flacco and Tannehill and most definitely Cam.
But you put the right teammates around a QB and they get the right match ups they can win the in the playoffs.
Otherwise you don't.

Rodgers is an elite QB, no doubt top 10 of all-time in talent and he has 1 SB. He is only 11-10 in the playoffs.

 

[CowboyFrog]

You proved my point, Rush had a good team around him. Purdy has a good team around him. So, just build a good team, and don't over pay a QB that's not elite.

and this is a valid strategy, Im not sure its one this FO can execute...point in case the run defense/offense when Dak/Romo were not making big money...they had the chance multiple years with 2 QB's that were better than solid on low deals and could not get it done...

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

And your chances of winning a SB with a 4th round QB are 0%.

No..not really. Just can;t have one that poops himself when marching toward one.

 

[GINeric]

You proved my point, Rush had a good team around him. Purdy has a good team around him. So, just build a good team, and don't over pay a QB that's not elite.

Rush barely averages 100 yards passing per game. I don't think Rush is better than some collegiate quarterbacks at this point.

There is a reason why Rush spent most of his career getting released and resigned onto practice squads and he has been in the league almost as long as Dak.

So no.... we don't want to build our team around a 3rd string, career back up, AT BEST, quarterback. It's extremely hilarious how yall could put Rush's name in the same breath as Dak.

If Rush is that solid, why haven't 31 other GMs and coaches plucked him off of our practice squad over his 8 year career?

(Nobody ever answers that last question)

 

[jterrell]

Rush barely averages 100 yards passing per game. I don't think Rush is better than some collegiate quarterbacks at this point.

There is a reason why Rush spent most of his career getting released and resigned onto practice squads and he has been in the league almost as long as Dak.

So no.... we don't want to build our team around a 3rd string, career back up, AT BEST, quarterback. It's extremely hilarious how yall could put Rush's name in the same breath as Dak.

If Rush is that solid, why haven't 31 other GMs and coaches plucked him off of our practice squad over his 8 year career?

(Nobody ever answers that last question)

Because people are very unserious and don't actually watch the games.
Or they'd know Rush won games versus lesser teams when our defense was at its apex.
Sadly, we lost 2 CB that same season so didn't have them for the playoffs.--AB, JLew and were signing street guys to play CB in the playoffs.

 

[VaqueroTD]

Dak is the only quarterback in NFL salary cap history to be allowed to start for the same team after so many years of early round losses. I posted it in a thread not long ago with the data to back it up. The only player who comes close is of course, Tony Romo. Dalton on the Bengals had a streak running but they kicked him to the curb. I think Warren Moon was the only quarterback I could find since the 1980s who lasted so long on one team with so many early exits.

So what does that mean if we sign Dak and hope for a Super Bowl? It means we are really playing against the odds, we are playing against the house and everything else. We hold onto our coaches too long, we hold onto our quarterbacks too long, and we definitely hold onto our owner/GMs too long. I’m sure there will be some growing pains because I do not fool myself thinking that Trey Lance is the future, but who‘s fault is that? That would be ol’Jethro.

 

[Hadenough]

The only thing mixed is your opinion. Dak is a bonafied top 10 QB who arguably might be top 5.

Regular season QB. Bottom 5 in the league his last 3 playoff games. Dak is trash!

 

[CowboyFrog]

Dak is the only quarterback in NFL salary cap history to be allowed to start for the same team after so many years of early round losses. I posted it in a thread not long ago with the data to back it up. The only player who comes close is of course, Tony Romo. Dalton on the Bengals had a streak running but they kicked him to the curb. I think Warren Moon was the only quarterback I could find since the 1980s who lasted so long on one team with so many early exits.

So what does that mean if we sign Dak and hope for a Super Bowl? It means we are really playing against the odds, we are playing against the house and everything else. We hold onto our coaches too long, we hold onto our quarterbacks too long, and we definitely hold onto our owner/GMs too long. I’m sure there will be some growing pains because I do not fool myself thinking that Trey Lance is the future, but who‘s fault is that? That would be ol’Jethro.

its not the normal "Find a QB" growing pains I'm worried about..this will be Jerry and Son doing this so they could set a new standard for bad...think of how lucky they got with the QB plans they have had so far...and UDFA and 4th round "Damn we missed the 3 guys we wanted" pick...so yeah I'm gonna side eye the posters saying "Could it be any worse" yeah it could pay attention to who is driving this boat!

 

[America's Cowboy]

Regular season QB. Bottom 5 in the league his last 3 playoff games. Dak is trash!

Go study playoff film breakdown by Kurt Warner instead of spewing trash.

 

[MapleLeaf]

... but he has spent enough time to prove he is not Tom Brady, and the team is unable to build a team around him in the manner of Brock Purdy.

This is where I feel the crux of the team is stuck.

Dak is Dak, and he has shown repeatedly what his capability has been.

Do we have a plan that makes sense around that capability?

 

[ICP]

I'd like to see the numbers for QB's taken in the middle rounds

 

[HMJYay]

You are being too kind. Most highly drafted QBs go to dog **** terrible squads run by newly appointed front offices and coaching staffs that are given 2-3 years max to turn vinegar into wine. Then the process begins again with every player drafted in their tenure thrown in the waste bin. People here think it’s because they cannot find the correct QB because that is what the media tells them. It’s because the owners run a dog **** franchise and push the reset button way too often and too soon.

Yep. It’s funny because if Dak had gone to one of those teams he would be a backup or out of the league probably. If the 2016 Cowboys had gotten one of those 1st round busts from this article and he was forced into play and given an extremely long leash like Dak they are probably still in the league. Dak isn’t more talented than those guys. He was given a better team. So much is about the team and supporting cast/players you go to play with.

 

[Mr_437]

Rush barely averages 100 yards passing per game. I don't think Rush is better than some collegiate quarterbacks at this point.

There is a reason why Rush spent most of his career getting released and resigned onto practice squads and he has been in the league almost as long as Dak.

So no.... we don't want to build our team around a 3rd string, career back up, AT BEST, quarterback. It's extremely hilarious how yall could put Rush's name in the same breath as Dak.

If Rush is that solid, why haven't 31 other GMs and coaches plucked him off of our practice squad over his 8 year career?

(Nobody ever answers that last question)

I'm using Rush as an example, of course, you/I would want a better QB. I just like having the type of team that helps a guy like Rush go 5-1.

 

[VaqueroTD]

I'm using Rush as an example, of course, you/I would want a better QB. I just like having the type of team that helps a guy like Rush go 5-1.

That was the best I think our defense ever played in those years under Dan Quinn during the few games that Cooper Rush had to start. That still doesn’t take away from his good game management, and Dak had his fair share of the defensive dominant games too. But just being realistic, we saw how many issues the offensive line had last year, and how the defense started to fall apart. Giving Dak at least some credit, I don’t foresee Cooper Rush being able to do the same thing last year. It’s those other years against San Francisco that I worry about like I guarantee Cooper Rush wouldn’t have tried to run the ball to end the game. LOL