Goose: Cowboys should do what it takes to move up for McFadden...

[YosemiteSam]

Uhh...Bowman is incredibly smooth. He looks much better running routes than Kelly.

Actually, that last statement tells me all I need to know about where this conversation is headed.

You are on freakin drugs if you think Bowman is more fluid than Kelly. Hell even scouting YouTube would prove you wrong.

Malcolm Kelly

Adarius Bowman

Bowman is Frankenstein in comparison.

As Catch17 said earler. Put the pipe down. :laugh2:

 

[theogt]

You are on freakin drugs if you think Bowman is more fluid than Kelly. Hell even scouting YouTube would prove you wrong.

Malcolm Kelly

Adarius Bowman

Bowman is Frankenstein in comparison.

As Catch17 said earler. Put the pipe down. :laugh2:

Well, you've convinced me.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Well, you've convinced me.

Good, because I was almost convinced you were nuts. :laugh2:

 

[cowboyjoe]

Ok, guys this is what I think happens, Cleveland, if they get beat by Pittsburgh, and Pittsburgh shows how to beat Cleveland, kinda like the Saints did us last year in dallas. If that happens, I see cleveland going 7-9, or 8-8, that should put the cowboys around the 12th pick to 15th.
Now, from what I heard from the Goose, he stated that jerry jones would trade his 2 # 1 picks this year with # 1 pick in 2009 to move up and get McFadden. I dont think Jerry Jones would give away 3 # 1 picks to get McFadden. I do think however that the -3 top positions wil be QB. McFadden will probably go 3rd to 7th overall.
Then, you got to take in what we are going to lose in free agency next year, I see Flozell Adams leaving, (if he doenst take a pay cut) and Julius Jones leaving for sure, that should be worth 2 # 3 compensation picks, or a # 3 and a # 4 compensation pick. That then would free up your 3rd round draft choice this year to be traded away.
So, that would leave you with Clevelands # 1, Dallas # 1,(Dallas # 2, which I dont see them trading ), and Dallas # 3 pick which I see being traded. Also, I am jumping way out here on a bandwagon by myself, but if you see the Cowboys resign Ken Hamlin in March, then I think you might see the Cowboys trade Roy Williams, package him with Clevelands # 1 pick, Roy Williams and possibly our 3rd draft choice to move up and get McFadden.
Now, I havent see Ray Rice, but I am hearing good things about him, lots of people say he reminds them of Emmitt Smith, same size and Rice has a little better speed. If the cowboys dont trade up to get McFadden, then like the Goose said, I see the Cowboys trading up to be Jackson the WR, he should be gone by the 12th pick or so. You wouldnt have to give up to much to get him. Then, you could move up with Dallas # 1 pick, with your 3rd rounder and possibly get Ray Rice. That would give you 2 pretty good players, with Jackson WR and Ray Rice, then with your 2nd pick, and possibly future picks you could trade back up in the 2nd round and get a decent cb.
I dont think the Cowboys would do it, and you probably couldnt get anything for him, but if Tank Johnson works out, you might see Jason Fergueson traded and used to trade up in the draft too. Then, that should give you 3 pretty darn good players to help the Cowboys. If Hamlin isnt resigned, then roy williams probably wont be traded, but if Hamlin is resigned, then I see roy williams possibly being traded, we need a safety that can cover and hit, not just hit.
Just some things to think about guys.

 

[cobra]

scouting YouTube

Watching youtube highlights is scouting in the same way that watching Judge Judy is practicing law.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Watching youtube highlights is scouting in the same way that watching Judge Judy is practicing law.

I agree, and listening to the so called "Experts" who are actually just media personalities or just listening to what people are saying on an anonymous BBS is like getting your stock tips from SPAM emails.

 

[sjordan6]

You guys are nuts if you dont think that McFadden is worth two first round picks. At first I was thinking of trading our two picks of 08 but I think it will be better for the boys if they traded their Cleveland 08 pick and their 09 first round picks. The logic is we still get a low first round pick this season on good player and hopefully a good player in the second round.

What you guys must come to understand is, just like the QB situation, the Cowboys have yet to have an explosive running back since Emmitt. We all know about him but this team has struggled in the running game in the past and we still dont have a very good running game. Yes, we all love MB and he is the truth but he is no McFadden. It is one thing to have a decent running and their is another to have an explosive back! Couple that with a good QB in Romo and you have the makings of a good team to build around. McFadden will be the final piece to a dominant team and two first round picks is worth McFadden.

I was hoping we would do it for Peterson buts thats another story.

And for all you guys who want to talk about the busts of some guys. MCfadden is definitely a sure thing. I think JJ will be more inclined to do it now because of the success of Peterson. He sees how one player can change the dynamics of a game and McFadden is the same type of player.

The fact the we are mentioning him in the same breathe as Peterson says something about his potential. No one has ever witness a back like Peterson. Randy Moss had the same type of impact with his height, speed, and hands. McFadden is the same type of revolutionary. 4.35 speed. Check. 6.2 height. check. Strong? Check. Character? check. Arkansas Alum of JJ? Bonus!!!

See you in Cowboys uniform. Did we mention he was second in the Heisman voting last season? Did we mention he had over 300 yards last week? Did we mention that teams KNOW he is getting the ball and still cant stop him. I can go on and on about this guy but the bottom line is he will be worth two first round picks.

 

[TwentyOne]

Goose should stick to the draft and leave the picking to the pimples on his arse.

 

[EMMITSWIFT]

You guys are nuts if you dont think that McFadden is worth two first round picks. At first I was thinking of trading our two picks of 08 but I think it will be better for the boys if they traded their Cleveland 08 pick and their 09 first round picks. The logic is we still get a low first round pick this season on good player and hopefully a good player in the second round.

What you guys must come to understand is, just like the QB situation, the Cowboys have yet to have an explosive running back since Emmitt. We all know about him but this team has struggled in the running game in the past and we still dont have a very good running game. Yes, we all love MB and he is the truth but he is no McFadden. It is one thing to have a decent running and their is another to have an explosive back! Couple that with a good QB in Romo and you have the makings of a good team to build around. McFadden will be the final piece to a dominant team and two first round picks is worth McFadden.

I was hoping we would do it for Peterson buts thats another story.

And for all you guys who want to talk about the busts of some guys. MCfadden is definitely a sure thing. I think JJ will be more inclined to do it now because of the success of Peterson. He sees how one player can change the dynamics of a game and McFadden is the same type of player.

The fact the we are mentioning him in the same breathe as Peterson says something about his potential. No one has ever witness a back like Peterson. Randy Moss had the same type of impact with his height, speed, and hands. McFadden is the same type of revolutionary. 4.35 speed. Check. 6.2 height. check. Strong? Check. Character? check. Arkansas Alum of JJ? Bonus!!!

See you in Cowboys uniform. Did we mention he was second in the Heisman voting last season? Did we mention he had over 300 yards last week? Did we mention that teams KNOW he is getting the ball and still cant stop him. I can go on and on about this guy but the bottom line is he will be worth two first round picks.

Great post . Hopefully we dont draft more busts as usual . for the last few years we have wasted alot of picks i hope this year is a lil different .

 

[YosemiteSam]

sjordan6,

The Cowboys average 127.9 yards per game without him. They aren't hurting for a running back like say Green Bay is. The Cowboys have bigger fish to fry than a RB. WR, CB, and FS. Why trade up for one guy that will cost multiple #1 picks when you can take those #1 picks and fill needs with them?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

thecollege season isnt even over and talking about WR without combine numbers is truly a futile endeavor.

 

[sjordan6]

Great post . Hopefully we dont draft more busts as usual . for the last few years we have wasted alot of picks i hope this year is a lil different .

Actually the Cowboys have done pretty well with their draft picks in the last few years. Sure we are going to have those Skyler Green types that dont make the cut but overall the scouting department has done well.

I just think that guys dont realize how much the Cowboys have nor realize how significant an explosive back can be. The Cowboys got lucky with Tono Romo and cant take that for granted by not having a good supporting cast around him. Signing Romo to a new contract says this is who we are going with. Getting a Darren McFadden with a Romo and Witten also signed sets you up for a team in the making for years to come, especially if you are moving into a new stadium. I think JJ needs to get McFadden to sell the fans on the team.

It baffles me to hear of what we could get with the extra Cleveland pick. Sure, you can get a CB or LB or even a offensive lineman or receiver. But we all know that it becomes a crap shoot at times and these are all positions that will not be a benefit until a fews years down the line.

I challenge anyone to name me a player in the last 10 years that the Cowboys chose in the first round, that was not a top 10 pick, that had an impact in his first season. That left you drooling to see them play. Anybody? I will give you Demarcus ( #11 pick) Ware because he is a stud but when I think of the players the Cowboys have gotten in the first round that were not top ten picks then my mouth gets sour. Sorry but I have not been impressed with the Eckubans, Spears, Carpenters, or even the Spencers of the world. Now maybe they will turn out to be good players but we are still talking about IMPACT players.

I think it is finally time to make a move a get a player that will have an immediate impact on an already good team. Sure, we will always draft players and develop them and hope they will eventually contribute on your team but sometimes there are players that will change the dynamics of your team and allow you to build around them. These type of players dont come around often but you have to know that when they do, get them!

 

[EMMITSWIFT]

Actually the Cowboys have done pretty well with their draft picks in the last few years. Sure we are going to have those Skyler Green types that dont make the cut but overall the scouting department has done well.

I just think that guys dont realize how much the Cowboys have nor realize how significant an explosive back can be. The Cowboys got lucky with Tono Romo and cant take that for granted by not having a good supporting cast around him. Signing Romo to a new contract says this is who we are going with. Getting a Darren McFadden with a Romo and Witten also signed sets you up for a team in the making for years to come, especially if you are moving into a new stadium. I think JJ needs to get McFadden to sell the fans on the team.

It baffles me to hear of what we could get with the extra Cleveland pick. Sure, you can get a CB or LB or even a offensive lineman or receiver. But we all know that it becomes a crap shoot at times and these are all positions that will not be a benefit until a fews years down the line.

I challenge anyone to name me a player in the last 10 years that the Cowboys chose in the first round, that was not a top 10 pick, that had an impact in his first season. That left you drooling to see them play. Anybody? I will give you Demarcus ( #11 pick) Ware because he is a stud but when I think of the players the Cowboys have gotten in the first round that were not top ten picks then my mouth gets sour. Sorry but I have not been impressed with the Eckubans, Spears, Carpenters, or even the Spencers of the world. Now maybe they will turn out to be good players but we are still talking about IMPACT players.

I think it is finally time to make a move a get a player that will have an immediate impact on an already good team. Sure, we will always draft players and develop them and hope they will eventually contribute on your team but sometimes there are players that will change the dynamics of your team and allow you to build around them. These type of players dont come around often but you have to know that when they do, get them!

how bout jacob rogers ,carpenter , fasano , green , burnett , peterson , bruce thorton , sean ryan , al johnson , bj tucker , zuriel smith (lol) antonio bryant , derek ross , quincy carter , tony dixon , duane goodrich ... need i go on .... look at how many draft picks we waste .. a lot of 2nds and thirds at that ... mcfadden is as much a sure shot as anybody .. LETS GET HIM !!!

 

[Maikeru-sama]

I think it would be a monumental mistake.

My contention is that you do not need an elite running back to have success in the NFL. As long as you have good and consistent play at the Quarterback position and similar attributes on the defensive side of the ball, you can be very successful.

It would be a huge mistake to start packaging 1st round picks for a Running Back, when that position is not the one that will put your team over the hump.

A Wide Receiver such as Calvin Johnson (he is injured), a ballhawking Safety and a/or a Cornerback that can contribute right way puts this team over the hump, not a Running Back.

- Mike G.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Think about this Hypothetical.

If McFadden is on our team this year, do we beat the Patriots? I don't think we do. We had problems in the secondary, not moving the ball.

I cannot think of a top rated Cornerback in college that could play right away. Whatever that Cornerback's name is, if he were on our team right now, do we beat the Patriots? I think he gives us a better chance than does McFadden because we would have more playmakers in the Secondary, which is where we struggled (along with penalties) in the 2nd Half against them.

You throw a player like Calvin Johnson (last year's draft) on this roster, I think he has a bigger impact against the Patriots, Giants and Green Bay than McFadden Does.

The scenario outlined by TOP would be great for a club like Green Bay, not Dallas.

- Mike G.

 

[gbrittain]

I think it would be a monumental mistake.

My contention is that you do not need an elite running back to have success in the NFL. As long as you have good and consistent play at the Quarterback position and similar attributes on the defensive side of the ball, you can be very successful.

It would be a huge mistake to start packaging 1st round picks for a Running Back, when that position is not the one that will put your team over the hump.

A Wide Receiver such as Calvin Johnson (he is injured), a ballhawking Safety and a/or a Cornerback that can contribute right way puts this team over the hump, not a Running Back.

- Mike G.

I agree that you have to have good and consistent QB play, which we do have now.

I am not even sure how much I would or would not package in terms of draft picks to move up at this point. It is too early for that IMO.

However, I am not sure why you say a big time RB is not position that will put your team over the hump?

I can only imagine what Dallas offense would look like with Adrian Peterson lined up in the back field. I love MBIII, but Adrian Peterson would add a dimension that would make Dallas more dangerous than they already are.

I have nothing against getting a new young receiver. I think Glenn is done, Crayton is a fine #3 WR, and TO is at the age where he could start breaking down.

FS...we could definitely use a good one.

CB we are solid at, but in this day and age with more and more offenses spreading the field it never hurts to have another capable CB.

So I am not disagreeing with you that Dallas could use some other position. I do think though that if McFadden is determined (Jeff Ireland and crew) to be a special player and the other positions do not quite measure up on the potential star scale, it would be something worth considering.

 

[CATCH17]

Think about this Hypothetical.

If McFadden is on our team this year, do we beat the Patriots? I don't think we do. We had problems in the secondary, not moving the ball.

I cannot think of a top rated Cornerback in college that could play right away. Whatever that Cornerback's name is, if he were on our team right now, do we beat the Patriots? I think he gives us a better chance than does McFadden because we would have more playmakers in the Secondary, which is where we struggled (along with penalties) in the 2nd Half against them.

You throw a player like Calvin Johnson (last year's draft) on this roster, I think he has a bigger impact against the Patriots, Giants and Green Bay than McFadden Does.

The scenario outlined by TOP would be great for a club like Green Bay, not Dallas.

- Mike G.

I dont think any corner in college would have helped us more than just having our own Anthony Henry.

We do need a corner. Its time to get a young guy developed.

But if you get a shot at McFadden you take him. He is going to make a bigger impact than any college WR or Corner that we could ever bring in.

I'd even package some picks to move up and get him.

And we dont know if McFadden wouldnt have helped us. Maybe we dont go 3 and out in the first 3 drives.

 

[ZeroClub]

IMO, the Cowboys have enough pieces in place now to afford the luxury of trading two #1's and a #3 for a great RB. It's a steep price, but the Cowboys have a lot of talent and, IMO, can absorb the cost without losing their edge.

For me, the question isn't whether or not the Cowboys can afford to make such a trade (I think they can afford it).

I think the question comes down to impact - Would McFadden make a truly huge impact on the offense?

That's a tough question. He'd likely split time with MB3. It's possible that Garrett would find a way to have them both on the field sometimes, but it wouldn't be often.

But if the Cowboys are convinced that McFadden is a truly special player and significantly better than Rice and the others, I'd go for it.

 

[tomson75]

I'd give our highest pick this year, our first next year and a third for McFadden in a heartbeat.

As long as we retain one of our firsts this year, I'm down with this 100%. It's likely our first next year would be the 32nd pick anyway.

I just don't see this adding up. I think it would take significantly more to get him now that the browns have started playing ball.

 

[Angus]

Everybody relax.

Jerry Jones is going to listen to Jeff Ireland, who won't let him waste valuable draft picks on flashy, sentimental favorites.

If Wade Phillips instead of Parcells had been in Dallas two years ago, Cromarte would be on the team instead of Carpenter, I believe.

It will all come out in the wash.