More criticism of Julius Jones

[burmafrd]

http://www.bnbathletics.com/cowboysvids/site/index.html

there are a bunch of JJ vids there. For those that keep denying he has the ability.

 

[Doomsday101]

http://www.bnbathletics.com/cowboysvids/site/index.html

there are a bunch of JJ vids there. For those that keep denying he has the ability.

He has ability he would not be in the NFL if he had none, myself I'm not thrilled about what he brings to this team in the running game I expect more out of my starting RB. I hope he can do so this season but heading into year 4 and there are still question about his game says a lot.

 

[Cowboy4ever]

Why did he miss the holes? lack of vision on his part. I'm not going to fault the HC and the RB coach for the shortcoming of the player.

OR.. maybe.. the Coach said something like,, the play is designed to go behind the Guard,, now go behind the guard or I will find someone who will!

Some of you act like football is purely black and white. Its not. There are many variables to the game. Many of which none of us fans are privy to. We don't know what the coach has told a player. We don't know what the coach has game planned, and how not running to your assignment might effect that plan. Maybe the coach don't want his RB to cut back until he is on the second level because that effects how a misdirection play will be used later. Maybe the coachs want to get a feel of how the LB are reacting to a certain run to see where the passing lane is at for later.. which can't be determined if the RB don't run the proper play.

 

[Cowboy4ever]

RB have the option of looking to the cutback lane, if you want to say BP told him not to then fine believe what you want but I'm not buying into that. Evidently people want the sugar coated BS instead of dealing with the fact that Jones may not be that damn good to begin with.

You are assuming that he had that option! Some offensives are designed for the RB to take the Cutback,, some are not.

 

[Doomsday101]

You are assuming that he had that option! Some offensives are designed for the RB to take the Cutback,, some are not.

Barber used cutback lanes but Jones was not allowed? Sorry I guess you guys just want the candy coated take on Jones I'm not going to do that.

 

[Doomsday101]

OR.. maybe.. the Coach said something like,, the play is designed to go behind the Guard,, now go behind the guard or I will find someone who will!

Some of you act like football is purely black and white. Its not. There are many variables to the game. Many of which none of us fans are privy to. We don't know what the coach has told a player. We don't know what the coach has game planned, and how not running to your assignment might effect that plan. Maybe the coach don't want his RB to cut back until he is on the second level because that effects how a misdirection play will be used later. Maybe the coachs want to get a feel of how the LB are reacting to a certain run to see where the passing lane is at for later.. which can't be determined if the RB don't run the proper play.

And some of you will make any excuse under the sun. Your right we are not privy to some thing but it sure does not stop the talk of BP would not let him hit the open hole

 

[AbeBeta]

RB have the option of looking to the cutback lane, if you want to say BP told him not to then fine believe what you want but I'm not buying into that. Evidently people want the sugar coated BS instead of dealing with the fact that Jones may not be that damn good to begin with.

He may not be that "damn good" but I think I've provided some pretty solid evidence suggesting that there was a specific gameplan in place that appeared to be jab-jab-jab early to set up the uppercut later. Guys rarely get knockouts with jabs. And Julius had "jab" role.

So putting this all on a specific player may not be the most accurate assessment either.

 

[Doomsday101]

He may not be that "damn good" but I think I've provided some pretty solid evidence suggesting that there was a specific gameplan in place that appeared to be jab-jab-jab early to set up the uppercut later. Guys rarely get knockouts with jabs. And Julius had "jab" role.

So putting this all on a specific player may not be the most accurate assessment either.

You can see it however you want. I'm not making excuses for him. As for your jab, jab theory that is all it is a theory. Jones has been inconsistent in his play and needs to step it up

 

[InmanRoshi]

Some of you act like football is purely black and white. Its not. There are many variables to the game. Many of which none of us fans are privy to. We don't know what the coach has told a player.

I tend to go with Occam's Razor on such matters. For me, personally, a RB who has been mediocre his entire professional and collegiate career being limited in vision and instincts makes more sense to me than a HC who has coached several Pro Bowl RB's, including one of the all time greats, instructing his RB to not hit cutback lanes ... especially when we have another RB on the roster who is hitting cutback lanes. I mean, you got Joe Morris who is a 5'6" slasher going to two Pro Bowls under Parcells. Curtis Martin is the all around back who is among the league's all time greats. Otis Anderson is this slow, heavy moving plodder, wins NFL Comeback player of the Year his first season under Parcells. Dave Megget who is this converted option QB who becomes one of the great nickel backs of all time who goes to two Pro Bowls ... but Parcells doesn't know what to do with the great and unique talents of Julius Jones? Okay.

Ever notice how there are some RB's who just seem to produce everywhere they go? Shaun Alexander broke Alabama's single game rushing record as a freshman. He then proceeds to break their all time records in yards and TD's over the course of his career. Then he goes to the NFL. After a year of sitting behind Ricky Watters he almost immediately becomes of the more productive runners in the NFL. He's one of those guys. Meanwhile, when including college, we've now been waiting for Julius' "breakout" season for upwards of 7 years now. There are some things you can set your clock to. One of them being NEXT year is going to be Julius' year. The second is, if it's not his year, then its someone else's fault.

 

[theogt]

Barber used cutback lanes but Jones was not allowed? Sorry I guess you guys just want the candy coated take on Jones I'm not going to do that.

And Barber, despite using the cutback lanes and getting more out of carries than Jones still couldn't grab the starting job. Why? My theory is that he wouldn't do exactly as told, whereas Julius would.

For some reason you're not willing to accept that Parcells would tell Jones not to ad lib, but you're trying to sell us on the notion that despite having one back that did ad lib *and* gained more yardage, he wanted the other back to get more carries.

In your scenario, Parcells is irrational. In ours, he's not.

 

[Doomsday101]

And Barber, despite getting more out of carries than Jones still couldn't grab the starting job. Why? My theory is that he wouldn't do exactly as told, whereas Julius would.

I think Parcells felt Jones was more suited to the role he was given, I agreed with that view for a while but as the season wore on I think Barber should have gotten more chances than he did.

 

[theogt]

I think Parcells felt Jones was more suited to the role he was given, I agreed with that view for a while but as the season wore on I think Barber should have gotten more chances than he did.

But he didn't. So is Parcells just an idiot?

 

[Cowboy4ever]

I think Parcells felt Jones was more suited to the role he was given, I agreed with that view for a while but as the season wore on I think Barber should have gotten more chances than he did.

So why do you think Barber was not given more chances?? Bledsoe was BP guy, but he was benched for poor performance for Tony R,, so why would BP not bench JJ??

 

[burmafrd]

You DO remember BP getting all over MB3 for freelancing don't you?
By the way Iman- JJ did extremely well his senior year at ND. I guess being the ND #3 all time rushing total in 2004 is not enough of a breakout for you?

 

[jobberone]

JJ has done a pretty good job. Not great. Stats don't say it all. Neither does subjectively looking at him.

But irregardless there is no mistaking JJ for TD, Walker, or Smith. That's not a terrible thing tho. Very few RBs are but are still good NFL players.

JJ has teased us IMO. He did look a little like TD his first year. He looks fantastic some plays and some games. But he isn't an elite RB. Is that one reason why he's getting so much flak?

 

[Doomsday101]

But he didn't. So is Parcells just an idiot?

Because I don't agree with every move he made?

 

[Doomsday101]

So why do you think Barber was not given more chances?? Bledsoe was BP guy, but he was benched for poor performance for Tony R,, so why would BP not bench JJ??

Who is to say things would not have changed heading into this year? Either way that does not change the fact that I think Jones game needs to improve and become more consistent. For a guy who has the game breaking ability he sure as hell did break many of them. Lastly how many years did Romo wait until he was given that opportunity?

 

[theogt]

Because I don't agree with every move he made?

No, you don't have to agree with every move he made. But if it's obvious that Julius was missing holes, and it's obvious that Barber was getting more out of plays than Jones, you have to accept that either (1) Julius was doing as asked, or (2) Parcells is irrational.

 

[Doomsday101]

No, you don't have to agree with every move he made. But if it's obvious that Julius was missing holes, and it's obvious that Barber was getting more out of plays than Jones, you have to accept that either (1) Julius was doing as asked, or (2) Parcells is irrational.

In this situation yes I think Parcells should have given Barber more opportunities than he got. Hell he had Eddie George playing too did you agree with that or was he being irrational? By the way you left out #3 which is to give a player ample opportunity and BP did that even if I disagree with it.

 

[tyke1doe]

Emmitt didnt start the first couple of games, but after that he did and was our number one RB...also, Aikman went down in the 1st qtr of the 15th game...Laufenberg had 6+ quarters to stink up the joint and show everyone why he was meant for broadcasting and not QB-ing

Norv had a huge impact on this franchise, and we were just as lucky to land him as we were to land 8, 22 & 88

David

I remember attending that last game against Atlanta. I was hoping Emmitt would break the 1,000 yard barrier and the Cowboys would win and get in the playoffs with an 8-8 record. Neither happened.