BrAinPaiNt said:
I was mostly playing devils advocate but at the same time we should stop and think...well others should stop and think....that if a player has the great tools yet can not get it done on the field (at QB)...then most will be labled a flop and just not have a head for the game.
One other thing can be considered...I really don't hear many (of course you will always have some) people question McNabbs and Vicks intelligence...Normally they question their accuracy.
Not too many people Dante Culpeppers intelligence...they question if he can hold onto the ball or not.
If there were two black QBs of late that do get questions (fair or not) of intelligence...I think it would be QC and Kordell Stewart.
I have also noticed something else the last couple of years....
Kyle Boller was pumped up not just because of his arm strength...but also because of his "mobility"....while Byron Leftwich had one main knock on him...the percieved lack of mobility.....in many ways this thought process kind of flew the opposite of those preconcieved notions that black QBs are just mobile athletic QBs while the white guys are just pocket passers.
I think some of those notions of steretypes are breakind down...however sad to say I am sure some will always have those things in their minds.
I hear ya. QBs must have more mobility than in the past. The days of the statues in the pocket are dead. I think Tom Brady is the new prototype QB. A so called elite bus drive, who can hustle.
Oh I am not sure about that...I think it was a combo of people thinking he was just a big dumb jock who could not feel the pressure and when it was there he was not smart enough to hold onto the ball or get rid of it....hell the number of funny photoshops to make him look dumb are partial evidence of how some saw him.
I felt if Chad hadn't been a Stanford grad, folks wouldn't have taken that risk of making him "look" dumb. It's when there is confidence enough in something that humour can kick in successfully, and not be 'threatening.' The Hutchs at MacDonalds stuff didn''t come across as a critique of his brains, but as a spin on the old "you'll be flipping burgers because you're no pro football player" smack.
I never saw any of the big dumb jock take on Hutch. Not doubting it was out there, but I missed it.
Another example of how humour has to come from sterngth to work is Mike Winicki's current cute sig pic. Last summer, when Carter was so beleagured and expected by almost everyone to lose out to Hutch, that pic would not have made me laugh. It would have come across as mean spirited. This year, I can find it hilarious. This year, pics of Hutch flipping burgers would tick me off bigtime. It's our uniquely American brand of humour - we laugh at successes, not failures. Top cats, not underdogs
Yes Hollywood said that if you spot bradshaw the C and T he still could not spell cat.
Also what bradshaw said was that he felt bad for Joe because of the notions that came about were more of slap in the face of Joe then it was to him...because of the racial issue.
Thanks, that was it. C-A-T. lol
BP, I do a lot of defending of Carter, both directly and in peripheral issues like the one in this thread. And intend to continue doing so. But I really haven't glommed onto him as a favorite. I don't have any of the speical love I had and stlil hold for Vinnie, or Ray Lucas, or Terry, and which I have developed for some Cowboys as diverse in talent as Woody and Matt. Greg Ellis has also become dear to me.
I support Q because
1. He's (at least for now) BILL'S BOY. If Tuna put a three legged armadillo behind center, I'd root it on.
2. He's
currently the best chance for success. Might not be in Sept. Might not be in Dec. but he is now.
3. I think he's got some intriguing talent. Unlike those who grit their teeth and feel the knot in their tummy whenever Q lofts one, I have a fair expectation of something GOOD happening. First time I saw him I thought "Jake Plummer type". "Bill's caught himself a live one, let's see how it plays out."
4. And finally, the Dale Hanson defense once again. For me, it has become about a certain segment of Carter's detractors as well. And I think there is a widespread double standard existing for him, beyond the extremists. He was not ready in 01, and it is not on him he was inserted too soon.
But I won't be losing any sleep if this doesn't play out that Q stays in Dallas as the starter for the next decade. If an Emmitt Smith can't retire from his team, who can expect to do so? If Carter plays fairly well this year, and then is allowed to go in order to play Henson, so be it. He will have done well enough to start or at least back up on some NFL team, and how many young men have gotten so far. He, like all of them, is living the dream. I save my compassion for players cut down with injuries in their early years, with all their hopes crushed forever. Or for the Pat Tillmans of this world.
I'm not so tied up with Quincy, he has to be the starter. It's not a "I must be right at all costs" thing. I will wish him luck whatever he does, wherever he plays, and root him on, but he has not become 'special' to me, so I have no emotional investment. He hasn't the skill, level of raw talent, underdog status based on lack of god given talent but tremendous drive, personality, sad past, or notable Parcells Guy heart for me to really identify with him. If Vinnie starts over Quincy, I won't be crying on it. In fact, part of me would love to see a last hurrah for Testaverde.
But for how he keeps things poppin' around Cowboys land, I salute him,
