Sick of the entire QB scenerio in Dallas

[dbair1967]

I'm sick to death of hearing how wonderful Vinnie is....sick of hearing about Romo, our undrafte FA who might be better than Henson....sick of hearing about Henson's ability and how he IS going to be our franchise QB, and especially sick of hearing the lame excuses for why he's 3rd string behind Romo who has also done absolutely nothing in his NFL career, a guy who would have been cut and possibly on the practice squad if not for the release of "you know who."

Tell me this:

If we'd drafted Leftwich or Roethlisberger, or even Rex Grossman, do you think any of them would be sitting behind Romo and Vinnie the way Henson is?

I don't....potential potential potential....I'm sick of it....yes, young QB's do need to be prepared...yes, Henson was away from the game for a few years (funny how many of us were blasted for the opinion that he won't be ready to play anytime soon, but now all his supporters understand how he needs to be brought along slowly).

If Henson is so far behind that he can't supplant Romo, who also has no NFL game experience, what makes anyone think that sitting on the sideline running the scout team will have him ready to be our starter next year? If not next year, then he's a long term project we shouldn't even be discussing...we have no QB!!!

If Henson has all that wonderful ability and is the future of this franchise, then surely he should be able to do something well enough to be #2 and to think we could build a game plan around his strengths if we had to. Both of these guys, Romo and Henson, are supposed to have great potential to be our saviors (if you believe what you read on this site), yet both were behind Carter, and would have stayed behind Carter according to Parcells, if Carter was on the team...Vinnie was supposed to be the #2 guy as well. WE all know how crappy Carter was....he gave it his all...BP milked 10 wins out of a lesser team than we have now (according to the majority of posters) with CArter at QB.

Carter wasn't very good...that's a fact...but what does that say about these other 3 dudes?????? Keep telling me how Henson will be the starter in a few years; tell me how Romo might be the starter next year....Yadda Yadda Yadda ZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

We don't have a QB. Why doesn't that bother people just as much now as it did when Carter was starting??? OH yeah....I forgot.....several years ago when he was still in his mid-30's, Vinnie had a good year under Parcells (let's not even mention his entire "average or below" career). But now we have us a big improvement at QB.

I hope no one takes this and turns it into a CArter debate...it isn't. I just happen to be of the opinion that we still don't have a QB on this football team this season, and there's absolutely no excuse for it.

this is a horrible post...

David

 

[dbair1967]

Wayne...

I've watched Leftwich a lot this year and I'll tell you what, he hasn't knocked my socks off.

he hasnt knocked anyone's socks off, I think he's had one good game...in fact he has been so mediocre in a normal pro set offense that now they are talking of possibly having to shift from a drop back scheme to a shotgun scheme because his footwoork and timing are so poor otherwise

and bonehead mentioned Rex Grossman...***??? what has he done?

David

 

[dbair1967]

Good QB's play well everywhere....John Hadl, Vick in Atlanta?, Rattay in SF, you're good or you're not good.

Vick and Rattay are good QB's???

geez man, no wonder you think carter was a good player

David

 

[dbair1967]

If Henson is any good, then by golly stick his white butt in there and let's see what he can do...it's not like he's waiting behind a good QB or something.

the guy coaching the team with the super bowl rings certainly doesnt share your opinion Wayne...he belives in Vinny

David

 

[Nors]

this is a horrible post...

David

I am all for free speech, love to debate issues and interact on topic. Its amazing that you still are allowed to post after your relentless insults and putdowns and maligned attempts at puffing your views...........

Step up and bring something!

 

[dbair1967]

I am all for free speech, love to debate issues and interact on topic. Its amazing that you still are allowed to post after your relentless insults and putdowns and maligned attempts at puffing your views...........

Step up and bring something!

relentless insults?

puffing my views?

LOL

Hey I'm all for everyone having an opinion, but its apparent a couple people here just cant let go of the fact a certain mediocre starting QB from the past 3 yrs was released...its old and tired and its WAY past time to let it go....the people this applies to know who they are

people that suggest draft picks are busts after carying the ball 3 or 4 times and missing some games are being incredibly fickle and unreasonable...people that continue to slam Drew Henson because he isnt starting because the head coach HONESTLY believes that the guy starting now gives the team the best chance to win arnt being reasonable, and most of those doing it are people that the above applies to....

David

 

[Nors]

relentless insults?

puffing my views?

LOL

Hey I'm all for everyone having an opinion, but its apparent a couple people here just cant let go of the fact a certain mediocre starting QB from the past 3 yrs was released...its old and tired and its WAY past time to let it go....the people this applies to know who they are

people that suggest draft picks are busts after carying the ball 3 or 4 times and missing some games are being incredibly fickle and unreasonable...people that continue to slam Drew Henson because he isnt starting because the head coach HONESTLY believes that the guy starting now gives the team the best chance to win arnt being reasonable, and most of those doing it are people that the above applies to....

David

You have demons - its ok as this is not a perfect Dallas world today. HESTER?

 

[jay cee]

I still don't think the drugs cost Carter his job....so what if he got a 4 game suspension....then you're right where you are today anyway, with Vinnie. Keeping carter with no suspension looming was not the huge risk everyone said...the kid wasn't making big money...i happen to believe they cut him because they thought he was not the long term solution and that he'd never accept the backup role in Dallas....I still don't think this is about Carter...I just want a decent QB, and I think we've waited long enough.

I feel your pain Wayne. And I expect that we had better be patient if Henson is going to be the qb that leads the Cowboys to greatness.

These guys are talking about how Leftwich has not played that great in this his 2nd season. But they KNOW that Henson will be ready to play well next year. Next year Henson will be going into his 2nd season of football after a failed 3 year baseball attempt which followed a 3 year college football career in which he started about 8 or 9 games.

Other than the fact that he plays for our beloved Cowboys, why would anyone be so positive that he will be ready to play at such a high level when players like Carr and Harrington who have just entered their 3rd seasons have really only just now started showing they may be solid performers? And these guys have played a lot more football than Henson over the past 4 years.

I think Henson may turn out to be a good player, but the fans need to be a little more patient for the players to develop. I don't expect much from Henson for the next couple of seasons. If he performs better than I expect, that's a bonus IMO.

 

[jay cee]

I don't think Vinny has done that bad, I knew when we brought him in he was not going to be a savior he is here as a stop gap until we can get Henson ready and that is what they are doing. Parcells still has intention of winning this year regardless if you think Dallas can win or not. We are fans it is his job and Parcells is doing his job and doing what he feels is best for the team.

Dooms you were one of the main guys complaining about the lack of points last season and placing the blame on the qb. Now that there is a different qb, it's ok not to score points?

And as much as you complained about Parcells decision last year, now you wanna play the Parcells is doing what he feels is best card. I don't remember you being that supportive last year.

 

[Doomsday101]

Dooms you were one of the main guys complaining about the lack of points last season and placing the blame on the qb. Now that there is a different qb, it's ok not to score points?

And as much as you complained about Parcells decision last year, now you wanna play the Parcells is doing what he feels is best card. I don't remember you being that supportive last year.

Not scoring points is a problem, where have I said that it was not? I have not claimed Vinny as a savior or some franchise QB I have called him what he is a stop gap player. As for the blame I blamed Carter for his indecisiveness and his poor play and said he was not the future of the Cowboys. I never once laid a loss at his feet and have said time and again TEAMS win games not individuals. I also held any negative comments on Carter until the season was over and judged him on the whole season not 1 game here or 1 game there as your sorry ars and other Carter jock sniffers are doing. Judge people on the whole season!!!

 

[Jimz31]

Dooms you were one of the main guys complaining about the lack of points last season and placing the blame on the qb. Now that there is a different qb, it's ok not to score points?

And as much as you complained about Parcells decision last year, now you wanna play the Parcells is doing what he feels is best card. I don't remember you being that supportive last year.

You've gotta admit that it is quite funny how attitudes have changed about the QB since he's gone. No longer is the QB to blame. All most of these people wanted was a QB that wasn't throwing INT's and one that was getting into the end-zone. What do we have now? A guy still throwing INT'S and near INT's and he's not getting us into the end-zone. BUT, it's OK. He just LOOKS better doing it. Forget the end results.

 

[kmd24]

I truly believe some people are suffering from withdrawal from the Hutch vs Carter threads. Now they are trying to start a Henson vs Romo flame war. I just don't think it will fly.

As far as what MikeD17 said about me earlier, it's just that simple. Henson bobbled a few snaps in the preseason. At that point, Parcells decided to try the punter, which would have enabled him to make Henson number 2 sooner, had the punter worked out. That didn't work out, so he was forced to go to the only guy he trusted as the holder, Romo. If Romo was listed as number 3 emergency QB, he could not come in and hold snaps. The only way Romo can hold snaps is to be number 2 and active. What is so hard about it? It says nothing about Henson's ability to pass Romo on the depth chart. For all we know, Henson has made leaps and bounds of improvements over the last five weeks. That would not change anything. Romo would still have to be number 2 in order to hold. Get it? What is so complicated about it?

Nice theory, but it doesn't hold water. McBriar was designated as the holder for the Vikings game, and yet Romo was the second string QB for that game.

 

[Kittymama]

I'm fascinated at the people who somehow think starting Henson will magically solve everything. I don't see Eli Manning starting--if you follow the logic many of you are posting here, the Giants should have thrown Eli in on day one & let the *(&^ get knocked out of him. Aikman himself has spoken numerous times about starting in his rookie season & all the hits he took. It may have shortened his career by a few years. Yes, Roethlisberger is looking good right now--but he's an exception. And what happens if he gets seriously hurt because of his inexperience? Manning isn't starting, Rivers isn't starting, Losman isn't starting--Boller & Leftwich didn't start last year until the QBs in front of them went down (& neither are exactly setting the house on fire this year). And, here in DC, I watched poor Patrick Ramsey probably have his career ended because he started too soon & took major punishment. Gibbs is making it quite clear he doesn't trust Ramsey, & I doubt the kid will ever be the premier QB he was predicted to be.

What happens if Henson starts this year & doesn't look good? Will everyone then be screaming for another QB next year? That's probably one of the things Parcells is trying to avoid. Who knows what Hutch may have turned into if he hadn't been rushed in too early & pumped up too much by the coaches at the time. BP is keeping expectations (& pressure) low on Henson/Romo for now. And yes, they need to keep costs down. The Colts are going to break under Manning's ridiculous contract--can you imagine how Vick is going to hold Atlanta hostage? Brady is an exception in that he was willing to take a relatively low salary. But with all 3 teams--if their QBs go down, they're sunk (yes, even the Pats). Reality of today's NFL is that you can't have a team that relies on one or two "stars." You need a solid dependable, & reasonably inexpensive, team of good players. That includes a decent (but maybe not star) QB--& A BACKUP QB! Right now, it's looking as though we may have that with Henson/Romo. Why now let them get as much seasoning as possible?

 

[jay cee]

Not scoring points is a problem, where have I said that it was not? I have not claimed Vinny as a savior or some franchise QB I have called him what he is a stop gap player. As for the blame I blamed Carter for his indecisiveness and his poor play and said he was not the future of the Cowboys. I never once laid a loss at his feet and have said time and again TEAMS win games not individuals. I also held any negative comments on Carter until the season was over and judged him on the whole season not 1 game here or 1 game there as your sorry ars and other Carter jock sniffers are doing. Judge people on the whole season!!!

You got me mixed up dude. No need to get into that cyber tough talk with me. I prefer to be cordial in my posts, it's not like we would ever get an opportunity to meet and settle our differences.

If you are a different doomsday than the one that spent all last season complaining about a certain Parcells decision, I apologize.

But for your infomation, I judge the team as a whole, not any one player. But I do find it odd that some of the most critical of posters last season seem to be happy with the results so far this season. But the team does not look any better IMO.

 

[Doomsday101]

You've gotta admit that it is quite funny how attitudes have changed about the QB since he's gone. No longer is the QB to blame. All most of these people wanted was a QB that wasn't throwing INT's and one that was getting into the end-zone. What do we have now? A guy still throwing INT'S and near INT's and he's not getting us into the end-zone. BUT, it's OK. He just LOOKS better doing it. Forget the end results.

There is no change in additude, I'm treating Vinny just as I did any other QB. His 3 int game aginst Cleveland was poor even though this team won the game. No where did I claim Vinny went out and won the game and he deserves the credit for a win in which he did not play good, unlike all the credit Carter was getting depite the fact he played like **** you and others clamored about how Carter deserved the credit. Again I do not look at Vinny as some savior QB he is here to hold down the fort until we can get Henson and or Romo time to develope. Right now what I'm seeing is sour grapes by Carter Jock sniffers just like I saw with the Hutch crowd when Carter took the job away from him.

 

[Jimz31]

Nice theory, but it doesn't hold water. McBriar was designated as the holder for the Vikings game, and yet Romo was the second string QB for that game.

I predict you will argue that Parcells didn't really trust McBriar and listed Romo as the #2 just in case.

I would like to see the rule that says the Number 3 QB can't be the holder.

 

[jay cee]

You've gotta admit that it is quite funny how attitudes have changed about the QB since he's gone. No longer is the QB to blame. All most of these people wanted was a QB that wasn't throwing INT's and one that was getting into the end-zone. What do we have now? A guy still throwing INT'S and near INT's and he's not getting us into the end-zone. BUT, it's OK. He just LOOKS better doing it. Forget the end results.

I know man, it is pretty funny IMO.

 

[Doomsday101]

You got me mixed up dude. No need to get into that cyber tough talk with me. I prefer to be cordial in my posts, it's not like we would ever get an opportunity to meet and settle our differences.

If you are a different doomsday than the one that spent all last season complaining about a certain Parcells decision, I apologize.

But for your infomation, I judge the team as a whole, not any one player. But I do find it odd that some of the most critical of posters last season seem to be happy with the results so far this season. But the team does not look any better IMO.

I did not complain about Parcells I complained about a poor QB in Carter but was willing to support him or any other QB once the coaches made the call of who was to play the position. I have no problem saying I was hoping Hutchinson would become that guy but once that proved not to be the case I supported Carter through out the season. Once the season was completed and we start looking at where improvment needed to take place I said Carter,Hambrick and Ekuban needed to be gone. I felt that way then and feel that way today.

 

[Jimz31]

There is no change in additude, I'm treating Vinny just as I did any other QB. His 3 int game aginst Cleveland was poor even though this team won the game. No where did I claim Vinny went out and won the game and he deserves the credit for a win in which he did not play good, unlike all the credit Carter was getting depite the fact he played like **** you and others clamored about how Carter deserved the credit. Again I do not look at Vinny as some savior QB he is here to hold down the fort until we can get Henson and or Romo time to develope. Right now what I'm seeing is sour grapes by Carter Jock sniffers just like I saw with the Hutch crowd when Carter took the job away from him.

Who said that I was pointing YOU out? Are you saying that VT has been immensly better than QC? If so, then where are the points? He's got a better receiving corps, he's got arguably better RB committee.....are we really improved?

You can say sour grapes....I say we've been fed alot of bullcrap about VT that alot of you bought and swallowed.

Just admit it.....if Carter played the way that VT has, he would have been blamed for both losses....he was always getting crucified for his "near-INT's", yet VT gets a pass at every turn from most people here. To say that you can't see a difference in attitude just isn't being honest.

I never "clamored" about how Carter deserved credit. I was just one of them that said that this is a team sport and he doesn't lose games on his own. Neither does VT, but the change in how the QB position is looked at is obvious.

 

[Doomsday101]

Who said that I was pointing YOU out? Are you saying that VT has been immensly better than QC? If so, then where are the points? He's got a better receiving corps, he's got arguably better RB committee.....are we really improved?

You can say sour grapes....I say we've been fed alot of bullcrap about VT that alot of you bought and swallowed.

Just admit it.....if Carter played the way that VT has, he would have been blamed for both losses....he was always getting crucified for his "near-INT's", yet VT gets a pass at every turn from most people here. To say that you can't see a difference in attitude just isn't being honest.

I never "clamored" about how Carter deserved credit. I was just one of them that said that this is a team sport and he doesn't lose games on his own. Neither does VT, but the change in how the QB position is looked at is obvious.

Well then the post was not directed to me, tell me or please go back and find where I ever blamed Carter for a loss, or anytime last year where I claimed he should be benched? Personally I don't like the notion of replacing QB in the middle of the season, once the season is over or the team is no longer in the running then that is a different story. When Dallas finished last season and everyone was looking at what needed to change I made myself clear that Carter,Hambrick and Ek needed to go and I stick by that. However you will be hard pressed to find anything from me during last season where I said Carter needed to be benched.