Sick of the entire QB scenerio in Dallas

[jay cee]

I did not complain about Parcells I complained about a poor QB in Carter but was willing to support him or any other QB once the coaches made the call of who was to play the position. I have no problem saying I was hoping Hutchinson would become that guy but once that proved not to be the case I supported Carter through out the season. Once the season was completed and we start looking at where improvment needed to take place I said Carter,Hambrick and Ekuban needed to be gone. I felt that way then and feel that way today.

OK Dooms, you keep selling that one.

 

[JR HELFRICK]

How long was Roger out of the game with his obligation to the Navy ?

 

[dbair1967]

I would like to see the rule that says the Number 3 QB can't be the holder.

the #3 QB is technically inactive, if he enters the game for any reason then the #1 an #2 QB's cant go back in the game....I think thats the rule,somebody might have access to the exact rule but I think thats the gist of it

David

 

[dbair1967]

How long was Roger out of the game with his obligation to the Navy ?

pretty sure it was 5 years

David

 

[Doomsday101]

OK Dooms, you keep selling that one.

Then go back and check my posting yourself wise guy. Never once did I blame Carter for a single loss what I did do was not give him credit for the season because I felt his play for the season was poor and I do not credit poor play for a team acomplishment. Or go check out how many times last season where I said Carter should be benched, you will not find one single post during the season where I said that. I did come down on him and other players on the team that I felt played poorly and felt he had no future with the Cowboys and was more than happy to see them being shown the door.

 

[Jimz31]

Well then the post was not directed to me, tell me or please go back and find where I ever blamed Carter for a loss, or anytime last year where I claimed he should be benched? Personally I don't like the notion of replacing QB in the middle of the season, once the season is over or the team is no longer in the running then that is a different story. When Dallas finished last season and everyone was looking at what needed to change I made myself clear that Carter,Hambrick and Ek needed to go and I stick by that. However you will be hard pressed to find anything from me during last season where I said Carter needed to be benched.

Who's saying that VT needs to be benched? Although I do understand the logic of getting Romo/Henson in there once we are out of it as VT probably won't be back next year.

Again....my post wasn't necessarily directed at you, so why would I need to go find some post by you about that?

Do you not find the difference in attitudes about the QB situation? We now have a veteran QB that is playing just as poorly as any of our QB's have since Aikman retired. The funny thing is that the veteran QB gets the pass for mistakes that only a rookie or second year player should be making. Yet, we were harder on our rookies and 2nd year players for mistakes that are understandable. It's stupid, it's backwards, it just doesn't make sense.

 

[Jimz31]

How long was Roger out of the game with his obligation to the Navy ?

This whole "Navy" thing is stupid.

Roger was with the Cowboys during training camps. He had the play-book to study. He was with them when he had free time.

Roger KNEW where he was going when his obligation was finished.

 

[Doomsday101]

Who's saying that VT needs to be benched? Although I do understand the logic of getting Romo/Henson in there once we are out of it as VT probably won't be back next year.

Again....my post wasn't necessarily directed at you, so why would I need to go find some post by you about that?

Do you not find the difference in attitudes about the QB situation? We now have a veteran QB that is playing just as poorly as any of our QB's have since Aikman retired. The funny thing is that the veteran QB gets the pass for mistakes that only a rookie or second year player should be making. Yet, we were harder on our rookies and 2nd year players for mistakes that are understandable. It's stupid, it's backwards, it just doesn't make sense.

I agree some do have a different additude just as it was with the Hutch/Carter debates which I was glad to stay out of for the most part. Myself I was all for getting a vet in here be it Collins,Warner or yes Vinny to be the stop gap guy until we could get a young QB trained to take over but was never convinced after 3 years of Carter that he would be the guy to take over.

 

[Jimz31]

I agree some do have a different additude just as it was with the Hutch/Carter debates which I was glad to stay out of for the most part. Myself I was all for getting a vet in here be it Collins,Warner or yes Vinny to be the stop gap guy until we could get a young QB trained to take over but was never convinced after 3 years of Carter that he would be the guy to take over.

My point is that alot of people said that they judged all QB's the same. The VT/QC experiment just proves that they in fact do NOT evaluate all QB's the same.

I said last year and the year before that, that if you changed the name on Carter's jersey to someone else, you would get a different reaction. That is essentially what has happened. Carter's name has been changed to Testeverde. The results are arguably the same except that I believe we are now below the points scored from last year.

 

[Doomsday101]

My point is that alot of people said that they judged all QB's the same. The VT/QC experiment just proves that they in fact do NOT evaluate all QB's the same.

I said last year and the year before that, that if you changed the name on Carter's jersey to someone else, you would get a different reaction. That is essentially what has happened. Carter's name has been changed to Testeverde. The results are arguably the same except that I believe we are now below the points scored from last year.

I judged Carter based on an entire season and I'll base my opinion on Vinny the same way within a season. I'm not saying your wrong I agree there were some last year that would pounce on Carter right after a game in which we lost, I did not do that and held off judgement until the season and the entire picture was finished. Too me that is the only fair way to do it.

 

[jay cee]

Then go back and check my posting yourself wise guy. Never once did I blame Carter for a single loss what I did do was not give him credit for the season because I felt his play for the season was poor and I do not credit poor play for a team acomplishment. Or go check out how many times last season where I said Carter should be benched, you will not find one single post during the season where I said that. I did come down on him and other players on the team that I felt played poorly and felt he had no future with the Cowboys and was more than happy to see them being shown the door.

You go back and check my posts. I never said that you blamed Carter for a loss, I never said that you thought Testeverde was great. As for me I never said Carter was great or even good. I certainly did not give him credit for the Cowboys record last season. But my post was not about Carter, as much as it was about the change in attitudes from many of the most critical posters from last season.

 

[Doomsday101]

You go back and check my posts. I never said that you blamed Carter for a loss, I never said that you thought Testeverde was great. As for me I never said Carter was great or even good. I certainly did not give him credit for the Cowboys record last season. But my post was not about Carter, as much as it was about the change in attitudes from many of the most critical posters from last season.

No your response was directed towards me as a change in additude in which that is a lie. I'll judge Vinny just as I would Carter or any other Dallas QB but it is not going to be a situation were I look to praise or bash from game to game but to judge a player based on his entire season which in my opinion is the only way to get a true read on any player.

 

[Jimz31]

You go back and check my posts. I never said that you blamed Carter for a loss, I never said that you thought Testeverde was great. As for me I never said Carter was great or even good. I certainly did not give him credit for the Cowboys record last season. But my post was not about Carter, as much as it was about the change in attitudes from many of the most critical posters from last season.

Exactly.

Yet you will have some people that will avoid that issue by saying it's just "sour grapes" or that some people "can't let it go".

Nope, it's kinda hard to let it go when you see that some people are two-faced in their evaluations.

I don't care WHO the QB was last year. If you say that you evaluate all QB's the same, then DO IT. Don't JUST SAY that you do that, PROVE IT. VT is a VETERAN QB, is he not? Yet, he gets more passes than a rookie even deserves.

 

[Jimz31]

No your response was directed towards me as a change in additude in which that is a lie. I'll judge Vinny just as I would Carter or any other Dallas QB but it is not going to be a situation were I look to praise or bash from game to game but to judge a player based on his entire season which in my opinion is the only way to get a true read on any player.

Dooms, re-read his post. He even said "posters", ie. multiple people. Not just you.

 

[Chuck 54]

Exactly.

Yet you will have some people that will avoid that issue by saying it's just "sour grapes" or that some people "can't let it go".

Nope, it's kinda hard to let it go when you see that some people are two-faced in their evaluations.

I don't care WHO the QB was last year. If you say that you evaluate all QB's the same, then DO IT. Don't JUST SAY that you do that, PROVE IT. VT is a VETERAN QB, is he not? Yet, he gets more passes than a rookie even deserves.

When the koolaide runs out, they'll all see that Vinnie is the same below average QB he's been his entire career, only older and fading fast.

Carter was a crappy QB, better suited to a backup position than as a starter....that said, I don't mind admitting that I'd rather have him starting than Vinnie...at least he could run for a first down now and then. We'll all be better off when Henson or some other QB actually takes over and we see some development at the position...it's been too long, imo.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

When the koolaide runs out, they'll all see that Vinnie is the same below average QB he's been his entire career, only older and fading fast.

Carter was a crappy QB, better suited to a backup position than as a starter....that said, I don't mind admitting that I'd rather have him starting than Vinnie...at least he could run for a first down now and then. We'll all be better off when Henson or some other QB actually takes over and we see some development at the position...it's been too long, imo.

No question Wayne.

Our long-term quarterback solution is pretty murky at this point... sad to say.

 

[jay cee]

No your response was directed towards me as a change in additude in which that is a lie. I'll judge Vinny just as I would Carter or any other Dallas QB but it is not going to be a situation were I look to praise or bash from game to game but to judge a player based on his entire season which in my opinion is the only way to get a true read on any player.

Jimz, Dooms is right, my first post was directed at him. I must have had him mixed up with a different Doomsday.

You got me mixed up dude. No need to get into that cyber tough talk with me. I prefer to be cordial in my posts, it's not like we would ever get an opportunity to meet and settle our differences.

If you are a different doomsday than the one that spent all last season complaining about a certain Parcells decision, I apologize.

But for your infomation, I judge the team as a whole, not any one player. But I do find it odd that some of the most critical of posters last season seem to be happy with the results so far this season. But the team does not look any better IMO.

That's where I apologized to him for my mistake. because I absolutely remember someone called doomsday complaining constantly about Parcells qb decision.

And there were many other posters doing the same. But now they act like the position is one of the teams strengths.

 

[Jimz31]

Jimz, Dooms is right, my first post was directed at him. I must have had him mixed up with a different Doomsday.



That's where I apologized to him for my mistake. because I absolutely remember someone called doomsday complaining constantly about Parcells qb decision.

And there were many other posters doing the same. But now they act like the position is one of the teams strengths.

Sorry, I was talking about that last post.

Yes, it is funny how a QB that just has a different last name is now a strength.

 

[Doomsday101]

Dooms, re-read his post. He even said "posters", ie. multiple people. Not just you.

Originally Posted by jay cee
Dooms you were one of the main guys complaining about the lack of points last season and placing the blame on the qb. Now that there is a different qb, it's ok not to score points?

And as much as you complained about Parcells decision last year, now you wanna play the Parcells is doing what he feels is best card. I don't remember you being that supportive last year.

Jim this is what was posted now if that was not directed at me then I question your ability to comprehend. Now tell me is this ie "poster" or directed at me? Be honest!!! LOL

 

[jay cee]

Sorry, I was talking about that last post.

Yes, it is funny how a QB that just has a different last name is now a strength.

Don't I know it? But it's just sour grapes on our part.