Twitter: Stephen Jones says Big Mac and K. Moore Didn’t Agree “Philosophically”

[Diehardblues]

How in the world can a Head Coach work three full seasons with an OC he doesn’t agree with “philosophically”? It’s a miracle this team won 12 games and made the playoffs two years in a row with major philosophical differences.

Makes me think Kellen Moore was kept around despite what the head coach wanted. Or…something happened to change his mind. I tend to think it’s the first reason. But I don’t know for sure. “Dysfunction Junction”!

I think it’s pretty obvious what happened. Moore was never MM guy but it was Jethro who insisted on retaining him. And it was a condition of employment .

And when push came to shove and MM was trying to save his skin , he said I can’t be held totally accountable if I don’t have control over offense.

And now that Jethro has his next HC on board with DQ, Moore became expendable . And Moore probably realized his association in Dallas and Dak might have been holding him back for more serious consideration for a HC position.

This is a great move for Moore. What OC wouldn’t drool over an opportunity with Herbert. And MM will now be the next scapegoat if it flops again. Writing is on the wall now.

 

[G2]

The same philosophy has been here since 2007, this is on them for allowing OC's to get comfy because they have loads of regular season statistics and accolades.

For once we have a defense that can be leaned on in a pinch and our post season offensive production is trash.

 

[kevm3]

Herbert's made the playoffs once and got a 1st round exit, so what makes him significantly better than Dak?

 

[USArmyVet]

Well, we can all speculate but the answers will be told after next season for if Herbert and the Chargers perform better with Moore as OC and if Dak plays like crap then Moore wasn't the problem but the common denominator in Dez, Garrett, Cooper, and now Moore being blamed: Stats Prescott.

 

[G2]

I think it’s pretty obvious what happened. Moore was never MM guy but it was Jethro who insisted on retaining him. And it was a condition of employment .

And when push came to shove and MM was trying to save his skin , he said I can’t be held totally accountable if I don’t have control over offense.

And now that Jethro has his next HC on board with DQ, Moore became expendable . And Moore probably realized his association in Dallas and Dak might have been holding him back for more serious consideration for a HC position.

This is a great move for Moore. What OC wouldn’t drool over an opportunity with Herbert. And MM will now be the next scapegoat if it flops again. Writing is on the wall now.

The biggest advantage Moore will have is a Head Coach that is defensively minded. He'll likely have more freedom. But Moore better change it up or it's just going to be much of the same. We'll see how he does with better offensive weapons too.

 

[USArmyVet]

Herbert's made the playoffs once and got a 1st round exit, so what makes him significantly better than Dak?

Pedigree and the eye test.

 

[G2]

Well, we can all speculate but the answers will be told after next season for if Herbert and the Chargers perform better with Moore as OC and if Dak plays like crap then Moore wasn't the problem but the common denominator in Dez, Garrett, Cooper, and now Moore being blamed: Stats Prescott.

WAY before Prescott was ever drafted, but let's not worry about details.

 

[silvernblu]

So, who was the post-Sartrean existentialist and who was the neo-Thomist?

Lol

I think Mike is more Aristotle and Moore more Plato. If you ask me.

 

[fredp22]

So you think he should get along with the teachers pet who was a failed QB and a one year QB coach as his resume?

And that Rodgers...such an easy to get along with fellow I'm sure.

it was his job to train KM -not try to make him fail. If he had a problem he should have told Jerry he was making a change. Putting teams success at risk was inexcusable. He threw the year away

as far as Rodgers like him or hate hm its Rodgers and MM's job was to work with him not try to show him up. Look at the mess there at the end

this is 2nd time MM has done this- GB got rid or MM. we got rid of KM. we'll see whos right but GB has never looked back

 

[Diehardblues]

If it was merely 'execution on the field' we wouldn't have had one of the worst offenses in the league when Dak went out with that ankle injury. Rush would have been averaging more than 20 a game. Kellen Moore is a solid OC, but he has no experience in high pressure situations which is why when going against high quality defenses in the playoffs, our offense completely disappears.

Dak was to blame for San Francisco, but where was Zeke, Gallup, and Noah Brown? Schultz didn't know how to properly get out of bounds at the end of the game? When the Eagles rushed to run a play when the WR made a questionable 'catch', that clearly showed me the difference in coaching between the teams. We would have been leisurely trotting to run a play and the yellow flag would have come out.

Kellen Moore can call some decent stuff, but his penchant to get cute when we need 2 yards is nonsense. We should NOT be throwing 20 yard bombs on 2nd and 2. There is also a discipline problem. The defense looked prepared while the offense was out of sorts. Ultimately, this falls on McCarthy, but how Quinn had his defense looking vs how Kellen Moore had his offense looking was leagues apart.

I agree with parts of this. Especially with Rush.

Moore has had enough success with a less than Elite QB . Pretty good results statistically. Not sure how we can hold Moore more responsible than Prescott.

Take an average to above average passing QB and create a top offense. That’s pretty good stuff IMO. And I think most outside of frustrated Cowboy fans see that. At least the ones who can take their blinders off.

And we just don’t know how much our ownership directed Moore to try and make Dak and this offense look like a prolific passing QB to justify his contract and hype.

If MM can convince Jethro to go back to a run oriented offense then Dak can be more effective and less turnovers.

What a great place for Moore to land with Herbert in LA. I look for great things there. And mostly likely on a much faster track to being a HC.

 

[silvernblu]

OC is not a learn on the job function. Unfortunately Moore spent his “learning years” here.

A few years of riding the pine as a player. Then 1 year as co-QB coach. Then OC?

I don’t care if he’s a genius. He needed more experience. Especially understanding defenses.

 

[USArmyVet]

WAY before Prescott was ever drafted, but let's not worry about details.

What are you talking about? All 4 examples were players/coaches while Dak was the starting Dallas QB.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

it was his job to train KM -not try to make him fail. If he had a problem he should have told Jerry he was making a change. Putting teams success at risk was inexcusable. He threw the year away

as far as Rodgers like him or hate hm its Rodgers and MM's job was to work with him not try to show him up. Look at the mess there at the end

this is 2nd time MM has done this- GB got rid or MM. we got rid of KM. we'll see whos right but GB has never looked back

"Train"....as in learn on the job with only 1 year as qb coach. And likely some warning from jerry.
Gb may not be looking back but they arent doing jack. In fact theres been talk of moving AR.

You are smoothing this over for some reason. Sounds like a km fan that hates mm.
Guess we'll just disagree here.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

OC is not a learn on the job function. Unfortunately Moore spent his “learning years” here.

A few years of riding the pine as a player. Then 1 year as co-QB coach. Then OC?

I don’t care if he’s a genius. He needed more experience. Especially understanding defenses.

Precisely. You could almost say he was a qb calling random plays, rather than coordinating an offense that tested, then broke a defense.

 

[G2]

What are you talking about? All 4 examples were players/coaches while Dak was the starting Dallas QB.

The same system was in place way before Dak, but I get you need this to all be on Dak.

 

[jazzcat22]

How in the world can a Head Coach work three full seasons with an OC he doesn’t agree with “philosophically”? It’s a miracle this team won 12 games and made the playoffs two years in a row with major philosophical differences.

Makes me think Kellen Moore was kept around despite what the head coach wanted. Or…something happened to change his mind. I tend to think it’s the first reason. But I don’t know for sure. “Dysfunction Junction”!

I look at it more, as he finally seen Moore was not the right guy.
His 1st year as Moore was forced upon him by Jerry. Then the Dak injury, he could not really get a good evaluation on the offense and Moore.
As MM said he will adapt to the terminology, and not change it to his way.

2nd year he got to see more of Moore, and how things went, and what could be. Maybe he was as frustrated as the fans to Moore's stupid trick plays that did not fool anyone. Come playoff time, the better defenses knew what play was being run.

3rd year was enough.
How many time we fans say, Moore gets away from what works, and does not go back to it. But yet continues over an over what does not work, as if all of a sudden it will work.
If we can see that, the MM seen it also.
So they discovered this year it was not going to work out.

Then Jerry opens his mouth, and we get 5 pages so far of discussion.

 

[USArmyVet]

The same system was in place way before Dak, but I get you need this to all be on Dak.

So it was the system that choked in back to back playoff loses to SF? Okay.

 

[Pantone282C]

So, who was the post-Sartrean existentialist and who was the neo-Thomist?

At this point, Edgar Allen Poe.

 

[G2]

I look at it more, as he finally seen Moore was not the right guy.
His 1st year as Moore was forced upon him by Jerry. Then the Dak injury, he could not really get a good evaluation on the offense and Moore.
As MM said he will adapt to the terminology, and not change it to his way.

2nd year he got to see more of Moore, and how things went, and what could be. Maybe he was as frustrated as the fans to Moore's stupid trick plays that did not fool anyone. Come playoff time, the better defenses knew what play was being run.

3rd year was enough.
How many time we fans say, Moore gets away from what works, and does not go back to it. But yet continues over an over what does not work, as if all of a sudden it will work.
If we can see that, the MM seen it also.
So they discovered this year it was not going to work out.

Then Jerry opens his mouth, and we get 5 pages so far of discussion.

He has no situational intuition, whatsoever as illustrated in every win or go home game that we didn't pound the weaker opponent.

 

[GMO415]

Charger's offense will be the most lethal offense in the NFL. Can't say what we'll look like.