Twitter: Stephen Jones says Big Mac and K. Moore Didn’t Agree “Philosophically”

[Brax]

BH, it's crystal clear what happened when Mike McCarthy was brought in. Jerry and Stephen wanted to keep their new project, Kellen Moore, so they forced Mike McCarthy to do things Kellen's way offensively the past 3 years. That project put up glitzy numbers, stats and even made it to 2 playoffs, but it wasn't good enough to help this team advance far enough to at least taste a conference championship game that has been missed for 27 seasons now.

Here you go,
https://www.nfl.com/news/mccarthy-wants-kellen-moore-to-stay-as-cowboys-oc-0ap3000001095114

 

[jazzcat22]

Here you go,
https://www.nfl.com/news/mccarthy-wants-kellen-moore-to-stay-as-cowboys-oc-0ap3000001095114

I would bet there will be some that will not believe this, and MM was just saying this to appease the situation.

 

[blueblood70]

You know Bob,
It's amazing this team has had so much recent success.
You look at how much better a team like the Eagles are run, and you just shake your head.

chip Kelly says hello.. it happens at least we are winning despite any differences. Cardinals and other teams far worse with constant hirings and firings in short timeframes.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

How in the world can a Head Coach work three full seasons with an OC he doesn’t agree with “philosophically”? It’s a miracle this team won 12 games and made the playoffs two years in a row with major philosophical differences.

Makes me think Kellen Moore was kept around despite what the head coach wanted. Or…something happened to change his mind. I tend to think it’s the first reason. But I don’t know for sure. “Dysfunction Junction”!

how can he work with an OC for three years? because the OC was forced upon him by the owner. his pet cat on coaching staff to report to him directly about the coaches. a guy with ONE year of coaching experience ANYWHERE as one of the most powerful coaching positions on and NFL team. and this year was a great example. Big Mac telling Dak to be aggressive and Moore running 10 yard curl routes. and an Owner insisting on Zeke being his starting RB.

and we wonder about the circus

 

[silvernblu]

I look at it more, as he finally seen Moore was not the right guy.
His 1st year as Moore was forced upon him by Jerry. Then the Dak injury, he could not really get a good evaluation on the offense and Moore.
As MM said he will adapt to the terminology, and not change it to his way.

2nd year he got to see more of Moore, and how things went, and what could be. Maybe he was as frustrated as the fans to Moore's stupid trick plays that did not fool anyone. Come playoff time, the better defenses knew what play was being run.

3rd year was enough.
How many time we fans say, Moore gets away from what works, and does not go back to it. But yet continues over an over what does not work, as if all of a sudden it will work.
If we can see that, the MM seen it also.
So they discovered this year it was not going to work out.

Then Jerry opens his mouth, and we get 5 pages so far of discussion.

Yeah. I wonder when Cooper Rush came it the commandment was to keep it simple.

And it worked.

Then Dak came back and gradually simple became complex again.

I’m open to it not being Daks fault. So we will see.

 

[john van brocklin]

chip Kelly says hello.. it happens at least we are winning despite any differences. Cardinals and other teams far worse with constant hirings and firings in short timeframes.

But Blue you gotta take the bad with the good.
I strongly dislike the Shegals but they are willing to take risk and move on if they don't work out.
Jerry just doubles down once he makes a bad decision like he did with Garrett.
We wasted 10 years of this Franchise with him.

 

[blueblood70]

No doubt in my mind. KM was Jerry's boy, not MM's, and Jerry gave KM full control of the offense.

full, no but asked MM to give KM his freedom to keep the Dak run offense intact so it would keep the transition smoother., well Dak had an off year with TOS and now MM had ammo to say its time for change..

KM with all his flaws was still keeping this offense top 3 in most categories. Not lie to word forced and dysfunctional can describe the results. its worked 90% of the time but against the better defenses, KM would get a little exposed. yes, time for change but lets not exaggerate to point as if Moore was killing us for 3 years under MM.

 

[blueblood70]

But Blue you gotta take the bad with the good.
I strongly dislike the Shegals but they are willing to take risk and move on if they don't work out.
Jerry just doubles down once he makes a bad decision like he did with Garrett.
We wasted 10 years of this Franchise with him.

sorry pointing out mistakes BY EVEN THE MIGHTY GREEN SHEAGLES MAKE

this place has gone overboard with beagle talk and will not take anything anyone says to prop them up.

 

[silvernblu]

how can he work with an OC for three years? because the OC was forced upon him by the owner. his pet cat on coaching staff to report to him directly about the coaches. a guy with ONE year of coaching experience ANYWHERE as one of the most powerful coaching positions on and NFL team. and this year was a great example. Big Mac telling Dak to be aggressive and Moore running 10 yard curl routes. and an Owner insisting on Zeke being his starting RB.

and we wonder about the circus

Very great point about the aggression vs poor routes leading to the INTs.

Sideline outs and curls. Gallup getting no separation ever. Defenses were just sitting on those. And never an out and up to keep the CBs honest.

 

[Creeper]

We kind of saw this on the sidelines, didn't we? There were times when Mike would make a face after a certain play call.

 

[Verdict]

My take on Kellen Moore:

He has moments of brilliance in his play calling. At other times he had sheer moments of stupidity.

Without the sheer moments of stupidity, he could be an outstanding OC. But with those snafus he will never win the big games without it being a blowout or sheer luck.

My guess is that MM tried to get KM on board with situational awareness and Moore never got the point. I am also guessing that MM was more frustrated with Moore than he let on, and that he was tired of making excuses for things that MM thought were at least partially avoidable.

 

[Miller]

Funny, all these folks criticizing Jerry Jones for keeping Kellen Moore around..hmm. Cherry picking to blame Jerry as usual.

Why aren’t we blaming McCarthy? He could have taking over the offense at any time.

Of course Jerry wanted KM, many in the NFL wanted KM, hence the multiple interviews the past few years. And how long did he last when he was released? He didn’t last 24hrs before he was handed another OC job!

So, No. I can’t blame Jerry for wanting to keep a young OC around that lead his team to several top 5 NFL offenses. It would be stupid to not want him around.

The real problem wasn’t the OC.. it was the execution on the field. But many have already pointed out that elephant in the room.

That said, Do we really want McCarthy to hire his own Coordinators? Most seemed to have forgot “his” original DC, Mike Nolan

Yeah, that Dan Quinn guy.. that was Jerry’s doing. But go ahead and play the blame game, carry on.

You are all over the place here. Most GMs don’t hire an OC before the HC. Most coaches that want a job don’t buck up and say “sorry owner/GM I’m taking over or else.” Also people were not beating down the door for KM. He had one interview for HC this year and didn’t get it. He got an OC job. We will see how he does. So yeah Jerry was too involved with his pet Garrett 2.0 project. Despite rankings it was always detoured late in the season and playoffs. Kid wasn’t adjusting well. But we both my do well in fresh systems

 

[CouchCoach]

What's the big deal? HC's hire OC's all the time with philosophical differences, helps keep the players guessing what the hell is going on.

 

[Stash]

How in the world can a Head Coach work three full seasons with an OC he doesn’t agree with “philosophically”? It’s a miracle this team won 12 games and made the playoffs two years in a row with major philosophical differences.

Makes me think Kellen Moore was kept around despite what the head coach wanted. Or…something happened to change his mind. I tend to think it’s the first reason. But I don’t know for sure. “Dysfunction Junction”!

Whatever the original dynamics were, I think the main reason why Kellen Moore is no longer here is because the offensive line grew soft. They couldn’t get the ‘gotta have it’ yards when it mattered most.

I think Moore was the third in a long line of ‘pass happy’ coordinators who didn’t know enough or care enough about the running game.

And I think it will be noticeable for the next offensive coordinator the team hires.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

So was the offense a by product of a offense Moore didn’t want or did Mike just let him bang himself dry?

 

[CATCH17]

It’s funny how they acted like he wasn’t forced on McCarthy when McCarthy got here lol.

 

[Kingofholland]

How in the world can a Head Coach work three full seasons with an OC he doesn’t agree with “philosophically”? It’s a miracle this team won 12 games and made the playoffs two years in a row with major philosophical differences.

Makes me think Kellen Moore was kept around despite what the head coach wanted. Or…something happened to change his mind. I tend to think it’s the first reason. But I don’t know for sure. “Dysfunction Junction”!

I think McCarthy was on board in year 1 which was a wash with Dak's injury. Year 2 was productive and probably led to some discussions what he wanted to see. It didn't happen in year 3, so that's where we're now.

 

[X550i]

Again, false narrative. Saying he was ‘forced’ is saying Mike did not at all want KM. This is not at all accurate. It’s convenient to say that, because it makes it easier to bash JJ. It’s easy enough without having to make inaccurate assumptions.

I used force with quotes for a reason.
Yes MM agreed to keeping KM as OC when he took the job.
However, to say that wasn’t a strong preference by the Jones’ is intellectually dishonest.

 

[pansophy]

BH, it's crystal clear what happened when Mike McCarthy was brought in. Jerry and Stephen wanted to keep their new project, Kellen Moore, so they forced Mike McCarthy to do things Kellen's way offensively the past 3 years. That project put up glitzy numbers, stats and even made it to 2 playoffs, but it wasn't good enough to help this team advance far enough to at least taste a conference championship game that has been missed for 27 seasons now.

It should be noted that the criticism of Mike was his play calling toward the end with Green Bay. So people hoping things get better putting Dak into a new system may be rudely awakened.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

it was his job to train KM -not try to make him fail. If he had a problem he should have told Jerry he was making a change. Putting teams success at risk was inexcusable. He threw the year away

as far as Rodgers like him or hate hm its Rodgers and MM's job was to work with him not try to show him up. Look at the mess there at the end

this is 2nd time MM has done this- GB got rid or MM. we got rid of KM. we'll see whos right but GB has never looked back

Its rodgers job to do what the coach saysnot try to show him up.