Trey Lance and Cooper Rush are competing for a roster spot?

[Kingofholland]

We pretty much know what we have in Cooper we just don't know what we have in Trey. Trey will have to come out and show a few things to be a backup. I still feel it was a dumb move on Jerry's part to trade away our 4th but it is what it is.
I personally hope Trey comes out and lights it up during pre-season to start all the QB controversy talk and this board will blow up with who they think should start.

Mostly agree, but I still don't have issue with him flipping a 4th for him. If it was a day 1 or day 2 pick I would feel different but the success rate for a 4th rounder is basically 1 out of 10. Maybe it ends up being a throw away pick, but a small gamble for a player at a premium position that was a high pick a couple years ago isn't a bad risk.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Bold> Ultimately, that question pertains solely for the 2016 season. It was that year that the fourth-round draft pick:

• started third on the depth chart
• rose to backup after the backup was injured
• rose to starter after the starter was injured
• played extremely well as the starter while the starter recuperated

The final bullet point above cemented the transition from previous-to-future player at the position for 2017 forward. It is the point-of-fact based upon a two-month evaluation of an unexpected rookie player, completely endorsed by the: a) owner/GM-for-life, b) head coach, c) some sports talking heads, d) a healthy number of current and ex-players and coaches, and e) a notable percentage of fans.

The accepted decision was almost completely predicated upon not disrupting 'team chemistry' euphoria. That is not hyperbole. It was a continual talking point for clarifying the decision by all of the parties mentioned in the past paragraph.

In short, there were a lot of people ready to move on from the old quarterback to a new one. Personally, I do not fault anyone who had that desire from the owner down. The old quarterback did not lead any teams to any divisional round, conference round nor championship round victories as a ten-year starter. The old quarterback sustained injuries that removed him from many games and/or seasons. Teams require above average play and stability from their top position, a fact true for all team sports at all levels.

The GM (anyone can include the head coach for personal preference but head coaches do not make permanent roster decisions in this franchise) decision's ramifications were set in stone for the position from 2017 forward. I am being longwinded quantifying my comments to the 2016 season only for the question, "Did the best QB play on any given Sunday?"

My answer is yes and no. Yes. The previous backup quarterback was the best quarterback for Sundays in September and October of 2016. And no. The new backup quarterback was the best quarterback for Sundays and any playoff game from November 2016 into January 2017.

My latter opinion would have been rendered moot if the new backup quarterback had been injured yet again. Then the previous backup quarterback would have returned to his starting role due to injury again.

How 2016 played out in reality is unquestionable. How 2016 could have played out will remain a question mark forever, despite all complaints to the contrary. True Super Bowl contending opportunities are fleeting. No rookie quarterback-led team as ever contended for or appeared in the championship game in Super Bowl history. That was a fact in 2016. It remains a fact today.

Injury could have played a factor in preventing the team from contending in 2016. Mistake-riddled quarterback play could have produced the exact same end result. Neither of those possibilities were the gamble taken by the owner/GM-for-life. The gamble taken in November 2016 is the one that did not pay off. In the end, the question 'Did the best QB play on any given Sunday?' was rendered totally meaningless for that particular season.

The best general managers command the football insight, foresight and luck.

Thanks again, Mad Genius.

/long rant

Ok...that was quite a rant fo sure!

I'm gonna say a few words then move on. I give Dak credit for playing quite well for unexpectedly starting. I also do not think he was the best QB on the team.

It's just my opinion, I risk being totally wrong. It's okay. It was a long time ago. So far, we still have not much to show for it.

Are we ready for a change, like many were then? Who knows? Who cares? It will be what it will be. GO COWBOYS!

 

[KingCorcoran]

Don't close your eyes and your mind to what lies ahead. That's all I'm suggesting. Keeping an open mind might be worthwhile in the long run.

If he is the best pro quarterback in the history of American pro football no one is ever going to know if he isn’t given the opportunity to be a team’s starting quarterback. How’s that for open minded?

 

[Whyjerry]

Lance was brought here to replace our aging QB1, who has a bad habit of blowing up Playoff Games.

Cooper isn’t going anywhere.

Don’t disagree but why then is it the battle for backup? Lance must play if he is ever going to replace Dak.

 

[Bullflop]

If he is the best pro quarterback in the history of American pro football no one is ever going to know if he isn’t given the opportunity to be a team’s starting quarterback. How’s that for open minded?

Now, THAT'S what I'd call open-minded, to say the least! It might be extremely so -- surely optimistic, if nothing else!

But you're 100% on top of that situation, for sure. If a guy can't get a chance to start with, there's no hope, whatsoever.

Trey Lance deserves that opportunity -- no doubt about it. Let hope the powers that be consider that seriously, as well . . .

 

[DallasEast]

Ok...that was quite a rant fo sure!

I'm gonna say a few words then move on. I give Dak credit for playing quite well for unexpectedly starting. I also do not think he was the best QB on the team.

It's just my opinion, I risk being totally wrong. It's okay. It was a long time ago. So far, we still have not much to show for it.

Are we ready for a change, like many were then? Who knows? Who cares? It will be what it will be. GO COWBOYS!

Bold> General managers are normally held accountable for how successful their rosters perform. In Dallas, it is truly what will be shall be. While fans bicker amongst themselves how much of a fan someone else actually is based upon their quarterback preference, the person with all the control over all players every year, including 2016, gambles on who that quarterback should be.

Jerry Jones' post-Troy Aikman track record has been above average or below for the position, no matter who the quarterback has been. Practically any other GM would have been fired for not landing a quarterback that led their team to postseason success within five years or less.

Life is good. When you are a Mad Genius.

 

[Chasing6]

If he is the best pro quarterback in the history of American pro football no one is ever going to know if he isn’t given the opportunity to be a team’s starting quarterback. How’s that for open minded?

He is definitely not.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Don’t disagree but why then is it the battle for backup? Lance must play if he is ever going to replace Dak.

There's no true legitimate source that says he is ONLY competing with Rush. Even *if* a source claims the cowboys said it...did they? And even if they did...you believe EVERYTHING Jerry and company says?

Yep...I checked that OP link again...just some talking head.

Sam Robinson said it (who?) without ANY valid source form the Cowboys.

 

[Chasing6]

There's no true legitimate source that says he is ONLY competing with Rush. Even *if* a source claims the cowboys said it...did they? And even if they did...you believe EVERYTHING Jerry and company says?

Yep...I checked that OP link again...just some talking head.

Sam Robinson said it (who?) without ANY valid source form the Cowboys.

Everyone knows why GM Jethro made the trade.

It was not to compete with Rush. It was a gamble to see if he could potentially replace Dak in 2025.

 

[Bullflop]

He is definitely not.

At this point in time, Lance is extremely raw and untended to, as a prospective QB of the future. If given the opportunity to develop, what might his potential be? Therein lies the problem and the question at hand. There's more to becoming a capable QB than what a quick impression provides, however. Sometimes it takes many years for a QB to actually attain the makings of a starter.

Lance's real experience is almost non-existent in the most realistic scheme of things. To fail to afford him the opportunity to prove himself would be haphazard treatment, at best. He'll surely get it whether some of us like it or not. Fair is fair. His development lies ahead, it will happen.

 

[Chasing6]

At this point in time, Lance is extremely raw and untended to, as a prospective QB of the future. If given the opportunity to develop, what might his potential be? Therein lies the problem and the question at hand. There's more to becoming a capable QB than what a quick impression provides, however. Sometimes it takes years for a QB to actually attain the makings of a starter. Lance's experience is almost non-existent in the most realistic scheme of things.

Why was he not given the opportunity to develop in HS or college? Or with the Niners that traded the world for him?

How do you make up for that lost time?

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Everyone knows why GM Jethro made the trade.

It was not to compete with Rush. It was a gamble to see if he could potentially replace Dak in 2025.

Sounds legit to me!

He's gambled WAY higher stakes than a 4th, and busted. If this is no exception...will we carry on then!

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Why was he not given the opportunity to develop in HS or college? Or with the Niners that traded the world for him?

Wait...the GURU niners? That do everything right? Bumbled that pick? They gave what....3 1sts? We only gave up a 4th. By gosh jerry is brilliant by comparison!

 

[Bullflop]

Why was he not given the opportunity to develop in HS or college? Or with the Niners that traded the world for him?

How do you make up for that lost time?

Those are questions that beg to be answered in the months that lie ahead, sir. There's no making up for lost time. More time will come, though.
The development he got was scant, by the words of those who knew him best. Whether he makes the most of it or not remains to be seen.

 

[Techsass]

Lance will be on the stage during PS games, Jerry doesn't want to waste a 4th either, so expect Lance to get designed plays for him to showcase in easy to manipulate PS matchups.

I wonder if Dak will be calling the plays again

 

[Cowboy4ever]

Trance will show promise running the ball effectively, which Rush can not do. However, Trance is still not a QB.

And you know this how? Based on what he did 2 years ago? I don't know if he is or not but I am certainly not going to conclude he didn't get better over the last couple of years without seeing it. But regardless, unless he looks like uncle rico throwing the ball, he will be QB 2, Jerry will make it so, whether he deserves it or not.

 

[Chasing6]

And you know this how? Based on what he did 2 years ago? I don't know if he is or not but I am certainly not going to conclude he didn't get better over the last couple of years without seeing it. But regardless, unless he looks like uncle rico throwing the ball, he will be QB 2, Jerry will make it so, whether he deserves it or not.

Based off his entire football career.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

I will remind everyone once again...this is a talking head opinion and not official Dallas Cowboys.

At this point nobody knows what Jerry has going on. Publicity stunt? Real QB competition? Half-baked QB competition?

You can make up stuff in your head but at this point admit you are making up stuff in your head. It's healthy!

 

[Typhus]

Because he rode the pine as #3.

Rock, you have to get over the past.

 

[Typhus]

I will remind everyone once again...this is a talking head opinion and not official Dallas Cowboys.

At this point nobody knows what Jerry has going on. Publicity stunt? Real QB competition? Half-baked QB competition?

You can make up stuff in your head but at this point admit you are making up stuff in your head. It's healthy!

Thats what I think every time I jump into these threads.
I love the speculation at this point, sometimes gives a different perspective that I haven't already thought of, rarely but does occur.