Trey Lance trade is one of the worst moves Jerry has ever done

[SteveTheCowboy]

Listen, I'm not a huge fan of the trade, simply because I hate having to carry 3 QB's on the active roster when we have such a deep roster and are in a crunch to keeo players. I think the 3rd QB should always be someone you're able to keep on the practice squad. That being said, I don't think this can qualify as one of "Jerry's worst moves ever" simply because it involved nothing more than a 4th round pick and some extra cap space. How many times has Jerry given away higher picks or much more cap space to players who never fully contributed value equal to what they were given. In this case, eh, a 4th round pick basically is replaced by one of our free agents signing a (slightly) above-average contract next year and us receiving a compensatory pick back in return.

This trade may or may not make us better in the long run, who knows, and I certainly think the fact that MM wasn't consulted is concerning. But I also think it's a LONG way off from one of Jerry's worst moves, and is unlikely to be something that moves the needle heavily in one direction or another going forward.

I think it's been proven Rush CAN go safely on practice squad. Surely Trey is good enough to get through a partial game if needed?

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Rush and Grier would easily make practice squad without getting picked up by another team.

Lance is an upgrade over both Rush and Grier and I don't see anything wrong with upgrading positions..... Even backups

Ah...you beat me to it.

 

[elcowboi]

And that’s say a lot. There was absolutely no reason to make this trade at this time in the year for another QB. He’s probably not going to play at all this season. All it does is create QB controversy with the haters who actually believe that he’s better than Dak. And what’s worse, MM had no idea about the trade until it was already done. Dumb move by the ownership. Just horrible timing right before the season opener.

Hopefully we don't win a game. That'll teach ol Jerruh...

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

I really don’t see why people are mad about losing a 4th. We have picked guys in the first round that turned out to be trash, and we’re worried about a 4th rounder? I have a feeling that if anyone in our division had got him for a 4th round pick, people here would be saying “Jerry’s stupid for not giving up a 4th rounder for him” lose, lose situation.

Judging by who made the OP, and who is on board...I;d say it's a Ultra Dak Crusade post.

If this "creates a QB controversy"....then we're too soft.

This is an investment in the future for very little risk. May the best man win. Most here have been complaining about our terrible backups...these same "Ultra Dak Crusaders" made fun of Rush and also called for us to tank last year.....then we go out and get what could be a decent backup and we're STILL complaining and that it's a threat?

Weird.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

There is something to be said about a player being drafted in the Top 5 and either his personality or the coaching staff he goes to (or both) causes a bad situation (aka possible bust) to become worse. There are also cases where a QB in that situation goes elsewhere via trade and blossoms into a legitimate QB (look at Drew Brees who spent 5 seasons with the Chargers and left for the Saints or Brett Favre who was drafted by Atlanta only to be traded to GB the next season).

Time will tell what Trey Lance becomes but trading a 4th for a #3 overall QB isn't a bad trade.

I forgot that Brees was a Charger at one point. He ended up being fantastic with the Saints. I think most QBs require a system that works well for them, and perhaps Shanahan's system wasn't a good fit for Lance. Plus, McCarthy has a good history when it comes to developing a QB.

 

[Jumbo075]

And that’s say a lot. There was absolutely no reason to make this trade at this time in the year for another QB. He’s probably not going to play at all this season. All it does is create QB controversy with the haters who actually believe that he’s better than Dak. And what’s worse, MM had no idea about the trade until it was already done. Dumb move by the ownership. Just horrible timing right before the season opener.

Apparently, Jerry got a phone call from the 49ers, and almost immediately reacted to the opportunity. He didn’t consult coaches, players or scouts. He considered 3 things, and 3 things only.

1. The very high grade the Cowboys had on Lance two years ago in the draft.
2. The Cowboys ongoing desire to find a young, talented developmental QB.
3. Whether or not Lance had recovered from his injuries.

His concern was to keep the 49ers on the phone, and not let the opportunity slip through his hands. Jerry was immediately interested, and almost immediately cut the deal.

The Cowboys were not looking for a trade; the 49ers called them. Jerry doesn’t say if he put the call on speaker phone, or if Will McClay and Stephen Jones were in the room as part of the conversation. But it sounds almost like Jerry seized the moment when an unexpected opportunity presented itself.

He first told McCarthy after the phone call ended, and didn’t even consider the impact on Dak or Cooper Rush. On the contrary, he was considering the positive impact that Dak and Rush could have on Lance.

Dak and Rush both turn 30 this season. Lance just turned 23 in May.

The reality is that the Cowboys have likely had multiple discussions with coaches and scouts over the years about drafting a QB, so Jerry didn’t need to get their opinion in the moment He already had the coaches and scouts opinions from previous discussions. So, once his medical concerns were addressed, he acted decisively to get Lance on the team.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

I will ask one more time. What has Dak accomplished.

Man Of The Year?

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Apparently, Jerry got a phone call from the 49ers, and almost immediately reacted to the opportunity. He didn’t consult coaches, players or scouts. He considered 3 things, and 3 things only.

1. The very high grade the Cowboys had on Lance two years ago in the draft.
2. The Cowboys ongoing desire to find a young, talented developmental QB.
3. Whether or not Lance had recovered from his injuries.

His concern was to keep the 49ers on the phone, and not let the opportunity slip through his hands. Jerry was immediately interested, and almost immediately cut the deal.

The Cowboys were not looking for a trade; the 49ers called them. Jerry doesn’t say if he put the call on speaker phone, or if Will McClay and Stephen Jones were in the room as part of the conversation. But it sounds almost like Jerry seized the moment when an unexpected opportunity presented itself.

He first told McCarthy after the phone call ended, and didn’t even consider the impact on Dak or Cooper Rush. On the contrary, he was considering the positive impact that Dak and Rush could have on Lance.

Dak and Rush both turn 30 this season. Lance just turned 23 in May.

The reality is that the Cowboys have likely had multiple discussions with coaches and scouts over the years about drafting a QB, so Jerry didn’t need to get their opinion in the moment He already had the coaches and scouts opinions from previous discussions. So, once his medical concerns were addressed, he acted decisively to get Lance on the team.

It must have been pretty difficult for the OP to dream up flaws with this deal. When an opportunity to do something you (and many clamoring yapping fans!) you fel the need for quite sometimes, years even!...then you do it.

Let the hurt feelings flow...so be it.

 

[DeaconMoss]

Hey....I'm sure we could send a 2nd rounder to the Jets and get Zach Wilson! He "has the talent"...in fact he has a zillion times more arm talent than Lance.

And 2 zillion times more talent than Dak

 

[Motorola]

This entire thing went down in a 24-48 hour period. No one "saw" it coming, including Jerry Jones and John Lynch.

Correct.
If Lance hadn't requested to be traded (after being informed Donald would be QB3), he would still be a 49er.

 

[Brax]

And that’s say a lot. There was absolutely no reason to make this trade at this time in the year for another QB. He’s probably not going to play at all this season. All it does is create QB controversy with the haters who actually believe that he’s better than Dak. And what’s worse, MM had no idea about the trade until it was already done. Dumb move by the ownership. Just horrible timing right before the season opener.

QB controversy??? Your Dak panties are showing. A 4th for a #3 pick of the Draft. This is smart no matter the outcome. Competition never hurt anyone. As for MM, he’s the HC because Jerry isn’t allowed to be. Why don’t you get it after all these years Jerry runs the show.

 

[TINGS21]

Hater

 

[phildadon86]

Dallas trades for a recent #3 overall drafted QB who struggled with some injuries and play in SF and gets a fresh start.....something tells me this has more to do with the Dakfanatics defending Dak at all costs and keeping any competition away from Captain Mediocre.....just look back to last season when the Dakfanatics blasted Cooper Rush for his limited play in spite of leading Dallas to a 4-1 record while Dak was out.

This is a great move by the FO imo. Competition for Dak, a first round talent for a 4th round pick.

And it also gives Jerry and CO negotiation leverage. I don’t know how anyone could bash this trade.

With that being said. Rush didn’t lead the cowboys to a 4-1 record. Winning and losing isn’t a QB stat. It’s a team accomplishment. If you don’t want to give Dak credit for his w/l record you can’t then give it to Rush.

 

[Brax]

100% agree on every point. Horrible scheming team management without being in communication and having input from your head coach and franchise QB.

MM is there to coach and do what he’s told. Dak isn’t even in the picture he’s a player that’s all. Your feelings are hurt not Dak’s he’s the starter. Smart move by Jerry, one of the few.

 

[Brax]

Dak balled out from day 1. Lance hasn’t. Couldn’t even beat out Darnold for the backup spot. Hopefully MM can school him up. Some QB’s take several years to develop. Well, not really.

The old MM whisper fable rearing its ugly head. You’re always good for a laugh.

 

[DeaconMoss]

Man Of The Year?

He beat a 7 win BUCS team in the wild card

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

He beat a 7 win BUCS team in the wild card

EPIC accomplishment!

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Wait what?

You were the one who mentioned his accomplishments, all i asked was what they were.

Stand by your comments, or not, its on you.

I think you are mixing me up with someone else. Quote me then.

 

[DallasEast]

It's funny.

Some observers have been saying for years Jones is essentially a self-made figurehead. Someone who gradually made himself an integral part of a front office's group-think decision-making process. That he was strictly a general manager in name only.

Then he makes a trade like this. Pretty much on his own. Requesting little input from his front office personnel. Basically acting like an atypical figurehead...

...which is what other observers have been saying about Jerry Jones, the self-appointed general manager, who has always said the buck stops with him, all along.

lol.

 

[khiladi]

I don’t think any of us has seen enough from Trey to make a judgment on him. I hope they are using it as some contract leverage, in that they don’t extend Dak this year and wait for the season to play out. A year of development while Dak flounders again gives them a plan to move on, while still scouting.