Wells Conclusion: Guilty

[BoysFan4ever]

That Dez tape thread was long as time(and started many other threads), what are you talking about?

Why let facts get in the way of ignorance?

I read that somewhere...oh wait that was MY ignorance.

YES that subject was "debated" for days..

 

[burmafrd]

rogah does not realize how much amusement the rest of us are getting from his desperate defense of Tom the cheater and the cheatriots led by Bellicheat.

 

[BringBackThatOleTimeBoys]

While this post should not get a strong reaction, all bets are off.

Towards the end of last season, I was reconsidering the Cowboys as it looked like Stephen Jones was quietly doing the things that made this team great initially - I respect anyone with good football sense. Any decent salesperson or professional with people skills would just be quiet and let gravity tip them back into the fold and let them follow this team for a 49th year. Then came Deflategate. Acting like it's the greatest crime in sports history. And members engaging in Mortal Kombat that makes a civil discussion impossible. Plenty of things I might have said (including a couple of concessions), but the atmosphere is hostile. Things I never thought I would have said, but that's what happens in an online street fight like this.

Reality is not like a book you can tear out the pages you don't like and add pages of what you wish - it is what it is. I have never been a fan of anything that lets my loves or hates twist things into an alternate reality. Many of the things said on Deflategate (and other topics for that matter) would have deserved the response in 1954 Gen. Welch gave to Sen. Joe McCarthy: "Sir, have you no sense of decency?" A powerful admonition back then that is completely dismissed by many here and elsewhere these days.

This is my summary to set the record straight, if any here choose to believe it. Fully expect someone will misrepresent me to "agree" with their wishful thinking. Not much else to say.

 

[cowboyeric8]

rogah does not realize how much amusement the rest of us are getting from his desperate defense of Tom the cheater and the cheatriots led by Bellicheat.

I hope it never ends. Just keeps digging a bigger hole.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

While this post should not get a strong reaction, all bets are off.

Towards the end of last season, I was reconsidering the Cowboys as it looked like Stephen Jones was quietly doing the things that made this team great initially - I respect anyone with good football sense. Any decent salesperson or professional with people skills would just be quiet and let gravity tip them back into the fold and let them follow this team for a 49th year. Then came Deflategate. Acting like it's the greatest crime in sports history. And members engaging in Mortal Kombat that makes a civil discussion impossible. Plenty of things I might have said (including a couple of concessions), but the atmosphere is hostile. Things I never thought I would have said, but that's what happens in an online street fight like this.

Reality is not like a book you can tear out the pages you don't like and add pages of what you wish - it is what it is. I have never been a fan of anything that lets my loves or hates twist things into an alternate reality. Many of the things said on Deflategate (and other topics for that matter) would have deserved the response in 1954 Gen. Welch gave to Sen. Joe McCarthy: "Sir, have you no sense of decency?" A powerful admonition back then that is completely dismissed by many here and elsewhere these days.

This is my summary to set the record straight, if any here choose to believe it. Fully expect someone will misrepresent me to "agree" with their wishful thinking. Not much else to say.

Instead of writing essays why don't you just stand by what you posted with such dramatic flair.

MY TEAM IS IN FOXBORO!

That's all that needs to be said about you. You're an ex Dallas fan. So fine.

 

[Rogah]

rogah does not realize how much amusement the rest of us are getting from his desperate defense of Tom the cheater and the cheatriots led by Bellicheat.

What defense? I said I accept the many conclusions contained within the Wells Report - something which virtually no one else in here is doing.

It's not my fault people get so pissy when I accurately point out the recommended guideline punishment for this offense is a $25,0000 fine. I rather enjoy seeing people lose their minds and say moronic things like comparing it to Pete Rose.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

What defense? I said I accept the many conclusions contained within the Wells Report - something which virtually no one else in here is doing.

It's not my fault people get so pissy when I accurately point out the recommended guideline punishment for this offense is a $25,0000 fine. I rather enjoy seeing people lose their minds and say moronic things like comparing it to Pete Rose.

you obviously missed Big Dog's post where he said that was from Facebook & he thought it was funny.

Not surprised though over your response!

 

[big dog cowboy]

You bragged FOREVER that they were innocent..you can spin it however you want..YOUR PATRIOTS CHEAT. And it's not the first time.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

You bragged FOREVER that they were innocent..you can spin it however you want..YOUR PATRIOTS CHEAT. And it's not the first time.

Lol
QFT

The conclusion was that Brady cheated.

I don't mean to speak for anyone else, but I'm guessing everyone breathing air accepts that.

You may speak for me.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I was just re-watching the original Brady presser before the Super Bowl.

One more telltale sign that he was lying all along:

Reporter asks him to the effect "are you confident that neither you or anybody on the Patriots staff was deflating footballs?'

Brady says (paraphrased) 'Yes, I"m 100% confident that we were not deflating footballs' while shaking his head no.

It was pretty easy to spot as well.




YR

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Why should this be any different than what Pete did?

The difference is that with gambling you really put into the question the integrity of your team trying to win the game. The Dowd Report could never confirm if Pete was betting against the Reds. Dowd believes that Rose did, but can't get sufficient evidence to do so. Also, Rose more or less got screwed out of the deal as the original agreement wasn't to have him out of baseball forever. But Bart Giamatti died...despised Rose...and Fay Vincent took over and held the grudge and took it to another level.

With DeflateGate and SpyGate, at the very least you can say that the Patriots were trying to win and not trying to benefit their opponent in any way, shape or form.

Still, I think that is part of the problem that major sports are having these days. For decades the big worries were gambling and athletes doing recreational drugs. Those are things considered to hurt the integrity of a sport because the player isn't quite giving it their all.

Now we are seeing the opposite with PED's and how the Patriots are cheating. The athletes are doing things to give themselves an unfair advantage. And I don't think that some of our society and some of the higher ups in these major sports have been able to grasp that while the majority of fans take it quite seriously.





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[NickZepp]

There were many conclusions in the Wells Report:

1) It was found to be more probable than not that the ballboys deflated game balls
2) Brady was at least genuinely aware of point (1)
3) Kraft and Belichick had no knowledge of points (1) or (2)

I accept all of the above. Meanwhile, just about everyone else in here is cherry picking which parts of the report they accept and which they reject. Hence my comment that I find is ironic that I am the only one in here actually accepting the Wells Report.

Sorry I don't buy that a coach that is supposedly so into every aspect of his team. Is not aware if his players cheat or at least doesn't allow that type of culture around. Belichick is at least guilty because of the culture he has created there, and if he's as good as most people think he is, he probably knew and just didn't care if the balls were deflated.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

I think it is quite ironic that I am the only one in here who has accepted the conclusions of the Wells Report.

The DELUSION here is STRONG!

Whats IRONIC is you claim to accept the Wells Report yet continue to defend and play it off as no big deal. Just a speeding ticket basically. I guess the cheating by your team is so normal now that it doesnt bother you at all. Your conscience is seared.

You've gone from saying for 4 months they're innocent and will be exonerated so you'll be happy to rub it in everybody's face to now they're guilty but they didnt really do anything wrong so the guilt is meaningless.

 

[BringBackThatOleTimeBoys]

Check out http://**************.com/

It's assertion is what some have been saying all along: everybody cheats. The average amount of cheating by an NFL team is 25 times according to this site.

Anyone seriously think any of the 32 teams does not cheat?

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

rogah does not realize how much amusement the rest of us are getting from his desperate defense of Tom the cheater and the cheatriots led by Bellicheat.

Ha Ha, how true. He's been shoveling for months now . . .

 

[BoysFan4ever]

Check out http://**************.com/

It's assertion is what some have been saying all along: everybody cheats. The average amount of cheating by an NFL team is 25 times according to this site.

Anyone seriously think any of the 32 teams does not cheat?

When Tony gets caught doing what Tom did let's talk ok?

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

There were many conclusions in the Wells Report:

1) It was found to be more probable than not that the ballboys deflated game balls
2) Brady was at least genuinely aware of point (1)
3) Kraft and Belichick had no knowledge of points (1) or (2)

I accept all of the above. Meanwhile, just about everyone else in here is cherry picking which parts of the report they accept and which they reject. Hence my comment that I find is ironic that I am the only one in here actually accepting the Wells Report.

There can only be ONE CONCLUSION!

You were wrong!

 

[burmafrd]

the patsy defenders follow a familiar script:

1) deny anything happened and claim it was just sore losers whining.
2) if anything happened it really did not matter
3) outside factors: physics, weather, aliens, etc.
4) then claim that a full investigation will fully clear them
5) then claim the investigation is fatally flawed when it does not
6) EVERYONE DOES IT
7) throw the little guys under the bus and protect the big guys.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

the patsy defenders follow a familiar script:

1) deny anything happened and claim it was just sore losers whining.
2) if anything happened it really did not matter
3) outside factors: physics, weather, aliens, etc.
4) then claim that a full investigation will fully clear them
5) then claim the investigation is fatally flawed when it does not
6) EVERYONE DOES IT
7) throw the little guys under the bus and protect the big guys.

You forgot:

1) sore JEALOUS losers. I wish I had money for everytime the word jealous was used.

 

[Rogah]

Sorry I don't buy that a coach that is supposedly so into every aspect of his team. Is not aware if his players cheat or at least doesn't allow that type of culture around. Belichick is at least guilty because of the culture he has created there, and if he's as good as most people think he is, he probably knew and just didn't care if the balls were deflated.

So, by your own admission, you're cherry picking which parts of the Wells Report to accept and which not to accept.

Like I said, it's ironic how I am the only one in here actually accepting and defending the Wells Report.