What Are The Chances That Garrett Wins Coach of the Year?

[Idgit]

Is this posted somewhere?

You could read the source quote, for the actual context. It's still around. The quote referred to JGs development from when they hired him into the organization (not just his HC position) into a coach they think they can win Superbowls with, and not to training somebody to be qualified for a HC job itself.

Beast likes to pretend otherwise and claim the owner himself thinks Jason's not qualified to be a coach in this league yet (eg: "Garrett is labeled as a trainee head coach that has blows games in the most unique ways possible"), which is simply a misrepresentation. Unless I'm reading his intent wrong, but I don't think I am.

 

[Idgit]

Why don't you ask for the moon too, while you're at it

Or...just read the quote in the first place.

Has Jerry made another statement on this I missed? If you are just referring to people here trying to find a Jerry-interpretation that is more favorable to Garrett then I don't see how that validates your "The trainee argument has already been disposed of " claim.

No, he definitely made the comments that used the word 'training' if that's what you mean. I'm referring to Beast twisting that quote to suggest that they're trying to get him capable of being a coach in this league, rather than that they're trying to get him to the level of a Superbowl champion head coach.

 

[Hoofbite]

You could read the source quote, for the actual context. It's still around. The quote referred to JGs development from when they hired him into the organization (not just his HC position) into a coach they think they can win Superbowls with, and not to training somebody to be qualified for a HC job itself.

Beast likes to pretend otherwise and claim the owner himself thinks Jason's not qualified to be a coach in this league yet (eg: "Garrett is labeled as a trainee head coach that has blows games in the most unique ways possible"), which is simply a misrepresentation. Unless I'm reading his intent wrong, but I don't think I am.

I've see the quote, but thought maybe it was mined from a longer reply that would give the context that you alluded to.

 

[Idgit]

I've see the quote, but thought maybe it was mined from a longer reply that would give the context that you alluded to.

No, sadly. Just the obvious original context.

It was a dumb thing for Jerry to say, though.

 

[Doomsay]

It would be hard to come up with any real attributable coaching victories by Jason, he is a game day liability. If the team and the new coordinators could overcome his ineptitude and get to the NFC championship, then he might be anointed COY, ironically.

 

[Doomsay]

Or...just read the quote in the first place.



No, he definitely made the comments that used the word 'training' if that's what you mean. I'm referring to Beast twisting that quote to suggest that they're trying to get him capable of being a coach in this league, rather than that they're trying to get him to the level of a Superbowl champion head coach.

It's neither. Just Jerry admitting that he doesn't want anybody else to "potentially get credit" for his, so far, mistake-prone trainee.

“We’ve put a lot of effort in training as a franchise into Jason Garrett, and I want to take advantage of that,” Jones said. “If we don’t have him, we don’t get payback for all the miscues and losses and criticism of sideline management. We don’t get a chance to benefit from the one way you learn, and that is the mistakes you make. So I want to have him around to learn. I’ve seen another smart coach, a very smart coach, learn from a lot of mistakes early and go on and win Super Bowls. Most of them do.”

There is no ambiguity. We all must be honest.

 

[Idgit]

It's neither. Just Jerry admitting that he doesn't want anybody else to "potentially get credit" for his, so far, mistake-prone trainee.

There is no ambiguity. We all must be honest.

I agree. There's no ambiguity there. He's talking about the training from the day they hired him from his QB coach gig, and developing him into a Super Bowl-champion head coach. Nothing less.

 

[Doomsay]

I agree. There's no ambiguity there. He's talking about the training from the day they hired him from his QB coach gig, and developing him into a Super Bowl-champion head coach. Nothing less.

OK, then 7 years on, you agree that Jerry is suggesting that he is still in training mode and making sideline mistakes and miscues - the definition of an abject failure.

 

[Idgit]

OK, then 7 years on, you agree that Jerry is suggesting that he is still in training mode and making sideline mistakes and miscues - the definition of an abject failure.

Sure. Training to be a HC with a Superbowl legacy. As Jerry explicitly says, most of those guys had to learn how to win Superbowls, too. Not the same thing as learning how to be a coach in the first place, and not an insult to Garrett's performance at all.

 

[Doomsay]

Sure. Training to be a HC with a Superbowl legacy. As Jerry explicitly says, most of those guys had to learn how to win Superbowls, too. Not the same thing as learning how to be a coach in the first place, and not an insult to Garrett's performance at all.

Garrett hasn't learned how to win a game that is already won (on multiple occasions). How is he supposed to learn how to win a Superbowl?

 

[Idgit]

Garrett hasn't learned how to win a game that is already won (on multiple occasions). How is he supposed to learn how to win a Superbowl?

Take that one up with Jerry. It's his quote.

 

[phildominator]

Garrett will have to go at least 12-4 to win Coach of the Year. I'm thinking there'll be a sub-7-9 team that'll make the playoffs and a Garrett 12-4 year will be needed to beat that out.

 

[Doomsay]

Take that one up with Jerry. It's his quote.

Jerry is stating that he doesn't want to be wrong on his long bet, not that this coach is at all competent, or has actually learned anything from his multiple sideline failures. It's basically a "I made my bed and I'm going to sleep in it, and I don't care if the team fails in the process" statement.

Bully for you for supporting him.

 

[tantrix1969]

I agree. There's no ambiguity there. He's talking about the training from the day they hired him from his QB coach gig, and developing him into a Super Bowl-champion head coach. Nothing less.

Ok I figured some would try and interpret the Jerry-speak to be more favorable to Garrett but wow.

 

[Idgit]

Jerry is stating that he doesn't want to be wrong on his long bet, not that this coach is at all competent, or has actually learned anything from his multiple sideline failures. It's basically a "I made my bed and I'm going to sleep in it, and I don't care if the team fails in the process" statement.

Bully for you for supporting him.

If anything, he's saying one thing because of the other. You can't have your cake and eat it, too.

And I'm not supporting anything. Only saying some of you guys are reading things into a Jerry quote that clearly aren't there.

 

[Idgit]

Ok I figured some would try and interpret the Jerry-speak to be more favorable to Garrett but wow.

The quote is the quote. I'm not responsible for it meaning something other than what you want it to.

If it makes you feel better, I believe you probably think Jerry's an idiot anyway, so it shouldn't be a big deal that you don't agree with him again here regarding Jason's potential as a head coach.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

Garrett hasn't learned how to win a game that is already won (on multiple occasions). How is he supposed to learn how to win a Superbowl?

Hard to argue against this. Its a real concern. The Red P U M P E R S dont see game day as an issue tho.

 

[tantrix1969]

The quote is the quote. I'm not responsible for it meaning something other than what you want it to.

Pot meet kettle

 

[NJ22]

Is bizillion a real number?

 

[Idgit]

Pot meet kettle

Care to make an actual argument of your own? Otherwise, it's kind of boring listening to you say I'm wrong just because you say so.